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physician's ethics ? asap!

My first post, but I really need help with an ethical issue. I was hoping for a doctor to respond, but dont exactly want to pay $10. I have a doctor that I want to fry.

Here's the story, 3 weeks ago I go in for an MRI, it's a new private practice that my primary made me an appointment at. I go in everything is normal, I had a contrast MRI and there was some wait time for another MD to come over and give me the dye injection. The MD that was doing the MRI made conversation with me while I was waiting. It was professional, just about where I work, what I plan do with my life(since I have a BS in Biology, he talks about his practice blah blah blah, just professional. I leave after it's done............

Next day 10:30pm I get a phone call on my cellphone, says "private call", I don't answer because I don't answer calls like that, no voice mail, nothing. next day same thing at 5pm and 10pm, no voice mail, next day yet another call, no voice ,mail. the day after same thing, but this time there was a message. Hi (my first name), this is (his name),  I was the person that did your MRI the other day, I was wondering if you'd like to go out for a drink or coffee sometime, my number is (cell phone #), bye.

Never get a call again, but this seriously disturbs me, for one I'm a young guy(legal age) and he's like 60 and an MD! Oh yeah, and I'm engaged to a beautiful young woman :). This has to be reason to file him against the AMA, but what will most likely come from this? I have the message still, I havent talked to him, besides him sending me a huge bill today. I dont want this happening to other people, but I also dont want some lengthy case that goes no where and leaves me wishing I never brought it to anyones attention.

~anon
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Well how creepy!  

I guess if it were me, i would feel kinda violated in a distant way!  Even though he's your Dr. that does not make it right to search personal files not pertaining to your health, just to get phone number. That is him abusing his position and thats not right.

Im not sure what to tell you legally
but, there is a doctor forum on medhelp, i would post this question there

good luck,
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203342 tn?1328737207
Can't you report him to a medical board or something? Aren't all doctors accountable to a medical board? I'd go that route. You may need to talk to a lawyer for advice. It certainly wasn't very professional for him to act that way and you are right to want to call him on it.

Go to the hospital and find the patient advocacy (or hospital administrators) and ask them how to report this doctor for unprofessional conduct. That's the first thing I think you should do. My son and I did that awhile back. He's 19 and went for the first time to an appointment by himself and he was very upset by the way the doctor treated him. We felt it was because of his age and so we reported this doctor to the patient advocacy. I think all hospitals have them. Good luck to you. I hope it all works out.
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I do have an appointment with my primary tomorrow for an appointment about my back pain. I was just hoping for a yeah he in big trouble or a dont bother response. I have no idea how this goes, I read that it is every doctor to report another doctor if they know he/she has violated the ethics code. I have been searching for the real specifics of this code to proceed.

The first couple days after the message I was frankly paranoid, it's a small town and the MRI office is 4 blocks away and he knows my address. The message doesn't freak me out as much as the 5-6 calls or trying to get me using a block number. Just kind of scary. As my mother said, well it does kind of remind of the beginning of a law and order episode.

thank you both for your responses, it's nice just to talk about it. I was never homophobic or anything, but this guy has me a bit freaked out.
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If he called to get together, I might take it as a good networking opportunity.  Your right, the hang up calls first, private block, and lack of networking tone to the message, make this odd.  As a woman I've had to deal with this kind of stuff from time to time.  I generally ignore it, try to be friendly but distant, and try to get myself past the creep feeling.  I've never had anyone pursue it past that point.  I get the impression some people just don't know how to do things or what basic boundries are.  Especially some older guys at work.  He was very awkwardly and weirdly asking you out, not violating you medically.  Getting your number for personal use was a complete violation of privacy law rules, but I've known socially awkward people to do similar to me and that's how I would interpret this.   If there is a way to put it on record and that feels good to you...go for it.  Keep in mind that you don't want to make such a fuss that you can't get an MRI in town ever again.  I once was able to report a problem technician to the office manager doctor for the radiology company (and she was fired - she bruised me in a mamogram), but doing that depends on whether this doctor an employee or high up to begin with.  While you may want to mention it to your doctor so he knows not to refer people, he's unlikely to want to get involved.  That it's a guy asking a guy out, without any clue of sexual orientation, would make it seem even more creepy to me.  Just be glad you're not this guy!  Good luck.
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You could black mail him and tell him to stop sending the bills, and you wont say anything JUST KIDDING! But its a thought.

He violated his ethics.  If it bothers you a lot do what April suggested.  I would not worry about whether he will do it to other people.  Adults can take care of themselves.  

He is 60 yrs old, close to retirement and I doubt that "asking a patient out for a drink" would cause him to lose his medical license, it would not look good on his record, but that is all, and he knows that.  

Are you sure he was an MD??  Because in my book he is a complete idiot to leave a message on a patient's cell phone asking that patient out knowing that this message is "proof".

Do MD's actually give MRI's?.  I never had one, but my husband had more than one, and a Technician did it, but not an MD.  The MD's read the results.

He could have pretended that he was the MD who did your MRI.

As I said, if it bothers you a lot nail him!
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203342 tn?1328737207
Hey thanks! I was trying to remember the name! It was the American Medical Association. I kept racking my brain trying to remember. Hopefully, he has enough information now to be able to do something. I agree, it doesn't matter if it's a man or woman. It was wrong and unethical. Very unproffesional. I would report him too.
nissa01, good luck to you. I hope this all works out for you. You are doing the right thing. This will hopefully keep this man from doing this again or getting bolder and going even further than he did with you, with someone else. Best wishes.
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I checked with my husband, and two more people who also had MRI's all of them told me that a "Technician" does the MRI, NOT
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Don't know what happened with my post.  Anyway, I then checked on Google and it too said that a "Technician" does the MRI.  My husband and the people I checked with who had at least one MRI in the recent past all told me NO doctor is present.  A Technician does it.

He still acted very unprofessional and should be reported, but I doubt very highly that he was a doctor, he might have told you that, but I do not believe it.  Next time check their ID tag the medical staff including doctors have pinned on their shirts/jackets.  Below their names you can read their job title.
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He said it was a new private practice. Would that have made a difference? You're right, though. Now that I think about it, I've had two CAT Scans and they were done by technitians. But these were done at a big hospital. Do you think it would have made a difference that it was a small private practice? Just curious.
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Even in a small private practice the doctors have their nurses and technicians.  I wasn't there, so I do not know, but doctors do not waste their time giving tests, that is what they pay their staff for as in nurses and technicians, no matter how small the practice.  The MD's/Radiologists interpret the tests as in MRI's CT scans, Xrays and EKG's etc. but the technicians and nurses give the tests. I doubt that a 60 yr old doctor opened up a totally new practice, wants to save money and therefore does everything himself including giving all the tests, but I could be wrong, I just don't believe it.
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A radiologist IS an MD.  True, mostly it's technicians who handle operating the equipment, but if an injection was given, state law may say it has to be an MD and not a tech to do it.  Who knows?  You won't know his true status until you look into it.  What he did was wrong.  End of story.  Start with the AMA and see what they tell you.  And don't erase that message!
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forget the incident go on with your life  when you say no and mean no that is it you are just keeping yourself all upset because the person asked you out no big deal. it is better to let it go since you have probably been reporting him to someone let it go be happy                            madame                  
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sorry I didnt get back here, I did report him to my primary. Who had someone else from the practice call me and take my story. I didnt know his name so I went back, and to pay them some money. After paying I asked for his name, the secretary asked why and said "I'll go get him"......I said "NO, I dont want to see him." However she went and got him instead of telling me. So he came out all happy and handed me his business card. He tried to talk to me and I said "I have to go NOW!" I left quite agitated and he saw me get in my car with my fiance.

he never called again and my primary health care system basically said this was going to weigh heavily on his ability to get patients and would go to a hearing....where I would not be involved......So basically it sounds like I ruined his life. sounds good to me.

btw I did seriously consider blackmailing him, but I felt ruining his practice and saving others from the same experience more fulfilling, even if I still owe them $400.

I have forgotten it, but it does still subconsciously effect me.

Every time I go to a doctor now, unless it's my primary or some else I know well, I can not trust them and find myself questioning everything they do. Not that I think theyre gay or something, but I just cant trust them now.

I will go on, but it probably will affect me for some time. You're supposed to be able to trust medical professionals and not wonder what theyre actually thinking.
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Well, most doctors are professionals and not jerks like this one. Hopefully you'll be able to trust again given some time. Don't let it ruin your life. I'm glad you didn't try to blackmail him and instead took the legal and moral road here. If you had stooped to his level, you would have felt worse about about the whole thing. Instead you can feel proud that you did the right thing. Try and look forward now and go on with your life.
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I would just forget about the whole thing...maybe send the guy a certified letter telling him you are not gay and have no interest in him. Are you sure he is a physician? I never had an MRI by a physician.

Probably a lonely old f_g who is starting to experience senility. If he persists then prosecute. Be careful about recorded phone calls. In some States it is a felony to record someone without their permission. At best it will be inadmissible in court.

Threaten to contact the State Medical Board but do you want to destroy someone's livelihood because he asked you out on a date.
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