*** FORUM REMINDERS PLZ READ***

[avisg]

There has been a recent influx of new members into the
addiction communities and while we welcome each and every one of you,
we would like to remind you that there are rules for posting. Before
your post, please read the follow the rules below:





1.      Do not post questions on how to get high by taking more meds, combining med, etc.



2.      Do not post asking how to pass a drug test.



3.      Do not give advise to anyone if you do not know the answer.
Please remind the poster that someone will be along who will help them.



4.      Do not recommend another drug, with the exception of suboxone, for use during the withdrawal process.



Any post that violates the above rules will be deleted.



This is for the new members and the old timers as well. We all need to
help and respect each other in our common goal toward recovery.



Also, remember we do have a pain management forum if you need to look into alternatives for pain.

If we all work together we we can continue to have a wonderful and supportive place for our members .



Your cooperation is appreciated.



Avisg, Community Leader

[avisg]

OK Let me clarify I DONT MAKE UP MED HELPS RULES these are NOT avis rules for the forum...

I didn't decided to choose one option over another with sub and methadone I DIDNT choose anything it was an oversite

I am very sorry I confused people .....

again
PLZ DO NOT SUGGEST USING HYDRO,OXY.,TRAMADOL to get off of another opiate

[OnOxyfor10yrs]

Well said. I pray that I look at these last 10 years as a learning experience and can look back and learn from this. Addiction is a bit**!!!



L

[worried878]

well they are now as avisg just said methadone is ok...many iv drug users on heavy doses cant make it with sub/it is a partial antagonist   so methadone is what helps some of them thru this time...be safe to  try and taper down in a month or so..start at 20 mg or less daily  if u r at a clinic stand firm on low doses...dont let them jack ur dose up on ya..people in chronic pain often choose methadone over sub as it is superior in pain relief

evreryone should be proud of the fact they r off their doc///always moving forward and always assessing that the maintenence drugs are not pushing u backwards..depends on ur goal and depends you..we are all different

[anemay]

sorry... wasn't trying to start an argument, I am new and am on methadone (THAT DID TRULY SAVE MY LIFE) and wondered why sub and methadone both weren't listed. That's all.

[OnOxyfor10yrs]

  Avis, thank you for your hard work. Like Worried878 said, it is time consuming and I am positive you are 100% committed to helping people. After re-reading the rules you stated, I only disagreed with rule 4. But again, thanks for your hard work. Again, w/o this site, I would be for sure using again!



L

[OnOxyfor10yrs]

I am currently on suboxone and wish I found this site earlier b/c believe you me, I would have done ANYTHING in my power to have avoided sub. Both sub and methadone have a long half life, who are we to judge that methadone is harder for one when sub may be harder for another? We just need to exercise free speech again within safety standards. I am on this site every stinking day and need this site more than anyone knows. Without it, I would be using again. We cannot turn away all our friends that have the brain disease of addiction if methadone will get them on the right track. Sure, methadone w/d are long , but as I read more and more so is sub. Which came first.. the chicken or the egg??? It is all a matter of opinion, experience and a lot of hard work. Let's embrace those hard core addicts into our safe haven of honesty, frienship and support.

[OnOxyfor10yrs]

Although nobody on here claims to be Dr. Drew or an interventionalist from A&E's show "Intervention, I feel IMHO that worried 878 is 100% right in her opinion. All we can do is help each other get through the worst part of w/d and recovery. Methodone has changed the life of many people making them productive people and now they lead normal lives. I think it is unfair that a moderator can deceide that only "suboxone" can be recommended for opiate addiction aside of  going cold turkey ot tapering. Worried878 was completely correct when she pointed out that the "Thomas Receipe" which includes a controlled and highly addictive substance, valium be allowed but no other methods for kicking this monster of addiction are banned. We all SUFFER on here.

I agree 100% that aiding an addict to beat a drug test etc. should be banned. I do not agree that people considering methadone if they will die with a needle in their arm after failed attempts at staying clean is wrong and should not be talked about on the forum. Nobody I hope holds stock on this forum for suboxone, thus saying this drug is better for one addict than someone with a 10 bag a day heroin addiction which if you all know suboxone will not help at all!

We all lean on each other and I am happy that we have a moderator, but this is an ADDICTION FORUM, so why not give our opinions that are within safety standards.

Worried878 was just making a point of kicking vodka with beer b/c she was trying to make a point that it is not fair to allow sub talk only. I am with you Worried878

[avisg]

worried always feel free to voice your opinion like I said my main concern were people recommending one short term opiates to get off another .

Methadone is another option one could use (again not recommending it just stating it is used )


PLZ DO NOT SUGGEST USING HYDRO,OXY.,TRAMADOL to get off of another opiate.

[worried878]

Methadone is also approved by the federal govt and medical system to quit narcotics but it was not chosen as a recommendation? It was approved for many years before suboxone....I wouldnt choose it long term, nor sub long term...but we are in the United States of America....and people do have freedom of choice to have their own opinions

No disrespect to anyone's rules, especially not to u avis as u r a great forum leader/a hard job and time consuming and u have put a lot of time into it,  but I have a bad habit of expressing what I think I guess..perhaps need to stop doing that on this forum

[avisg]

Good post cathy !!! There are some great written suboxone experiences both positive and negative in the health pages

[cathy5841]

for real life stories about suboxone look in the health pages.  our members own stories about the pro and cons of that drug.

[avisg]

Just because it can be recommended does not mean it has to be .. Yes in  many cases
it seems absurd to recommend  suboxone for someone taking low dosese of short acting opiates. For other people taking high amount of opiates it may be an option

regardless this post was not written to debate the   positives and negatives of suboxone . That's a whole different topic of its own.

[empathy323]

I do understand what worried878 is talking about though.  I have seen quite a few people on really low doses of their DOC like 10 hydros or something.  Now by low of course I mean in comparison to much higher doses of the same or much stronger meds.  Then they post about quitting by taking VERY LARGE doses of sub and then overwhelmingly recommend the same to others as the way to go.  I realize and agree that sub is an approved method of going off opiates but I do see worried’s point about it seeming strange to go from a rather low dose of one thing to a very high dose of another as a means of getting clean.  I know everyone is different and has to do it their way but my guess is that in the future many that do this will come to realize their addiction just switched from one thing that caused them trouble to another.  Again these are just my opinions and I am saying only that I agree and relate to what worried pointed out.  I think we should be cautious when recommending even sub to memebers in the forum.

[JENZ_N_RECOVERY]

thanks avis!!! your an awsome leader! sum peps just dont get it huh???

[avisg]

Regardless of how we feel about suboxone it is used  for the treatment of opioid dependence .


As far as I know vodka had never been approved for treatment of alcohol dependence
.
Just in case anyone is misunderstand what I am saying even though I have written a few times now .

PLZ DO NOT SUGGEST USING HYDRO,OXY.,TRAMADOL to get off of another opiate.

[worried878]

"cept sub"  ummm tis a strange analogy...like saying it is ok to use vodka to kick a beer problem...one of the strongest narcotics on the market and it is "ok" to recommend it?...again..different circumstance for each person...but that is quite a large statement considering the strength of that drug...i would much rather taper from hydro with hydro or use darvacet or another weaker narcotic to taper with than jump to a big gun like sub..but I do see how some need it to quit...to work or clean up their life for a while or whatever..it is better than drugging on the streets...just seems like a strange rule..many people who were addicted to that drug/sub/ and had to wd from it probably would not agree that is "OK" as it caused them grief..others would agree it is ok...just as some who wd from trams feel strongly about its use

I dont know about any of us "Recommending" anything to people except supps and natural things..if people ask about a particular drug, then people can share opinions and experiences..or do it in a pm....the thomas recipe does recommend valium and maybe that is not good...."something for anxiety and sleep" may be a better term as valium is addicting...clonidine is a safe drug if used properly and not habit forming where as klonopin/valium etc are habit forming

dont know.."everyone is different"...IBKleen always said be sure to add that!  LOL

[anemay]

Why is suboxone the only drug anyone can reccomend, isn't that just as hard to get off of as any other narcotic???

[Billy__B]

there's a pain management forum here?? me didn't know this!! lol

Billy

[kim715]

Lots of new members here lately.I'm also noticing a lot of drug tests questions so I thought I might bump this back up..

[Mandapanda17]

thats what I thought too, botchedup didn't read that part evidently!

[avisg]

this is what i wrote



When we say meds  we mean recommending people use other opiates to get off what there on now . Things like colonadine and amino acids are fine .

[Mandapanda17]

I don't think it would be bad to suggest clonidine/as long as you talk with a doctor about it first. avisg?

[botchedup]

well said -- I have to interject here tho,,clonidine is NOT a narcotic and can be very helpful in the w/d process.  The only reason it's not commonly used anymore is because it is tried and true and old and cheap.  Only those with very low BP should not but Dr.s have to prescribe it so to advise one to ask a doctor for it I can't see how that is harmful.  Many of the amino acids listed can interact as well.  no one is claiming to be a chemist here.  and why is it ok to advise Suboxone when it it IS a narcotic Sched 111 even and many people would have been better off tapering their short acting opioids and never getting into the whole sub thing.....Maybe this isn't the posting place for me to try and be helpful.  RULES should be fair and make snese.

[joanie42]

Point well taken...Good Job!!