Anyone tried Kratom herb for Opiate withdrawal

[1dazedkitty]

I have tried kratom a couple of times to help suppress cravings for more opiate pills.  I am concerned because I have read that the kratom can be addicting itself.  It has worked very well for suppressing my cravings, though I have only tried it three times, leaving me with many questions. Would it be just a band-aid, allowing me to get hooked on it?  If I did, would it be the lesser of two evils health wise? (not that I want to be hooked on ANYTHING!! - I am ready for the addictions to gone from my life) I guess, I just find myself wondering if it's a benefit or a detriment.  Anyone have any information on this herb?

[1dazedkitty]

That makes so much sense now.  Binding to the receptors would explain why it could keep that "medicated - "high" sensation going on for so long - and also how in the long run it just prolongs the agony of the eventual withdrawal.  I am kinda desperate to find the "magic-happy-pill-cure" so to speak   (I do know it doesn't exist) because I am a bit afraid I'll give in to temptation again while tapering.  I wish I had someone close by who could just give me a certain number of pills each day and never give in and give more.  Then again, I am an adult who got herself into this mess and I should have the strength of character to myself out.  I get pretty darn ashamed of myself sometimes :(
Thanks so much for the info.  I have made a decision that I will not be using the kratom again.  The sites that are selling it are omitting some key info as to why it "seems" to help, so I really do appreciate the info you provided!

[GMcp]

ughhh that sounds horrible! but that will be an easy taper just half every few days, but if you been on them for years it will still be ruff hey, but yea i doubt takin that herb will be good for you after that much, probably wouldnt help much to make it even worth it after that long :P u gotta just do it, and have some after care so you dont go back, after it becomes such a daily routine its so hard to stay off, I KNOW
lol yea that bubble bath is good! lol thats funny

[1dazedkitty]

OK, this is strange  (an no, I have not taken extra norco ;) I sware I can smell strawberry aroma in the house!!  LOL, I am off to the store!

[1dazedkitty]

The kratom is just a tea type herb you can buy online.  How wierd that it's so addicting, but then again, I had to think of things like poppy seed tea, and that's majorly addicting, too.

About 6 years ago I was studying to be an RN with about 18 months to go, and I got a hernia, likely from lifting and adjusting patients during my clinic hours, my body was never completely healed from that and I ended up having seven abdominal surgeries, resulting first from my intestines twisting around each other after the hernia surgery, cutting off all blood flow and a section of it died - gross huh?- stuff I didn't know could happen did!  I got a large seroma, a cantalope size ball of sero-sanguinus fluids that grew in my stomach  and burst, another hernia that developed on the incision line and ripped it open, then my body decided toreject and push out the mesh they used to repair the hernia -UGH - long story short, had home nurses who came daily with morphine, then I had vicodin for the break through pain and it just progressed to Norco and now Percs.  When I have Norco I can easily do 20 - 30- a day and Percs about 20.(one or the other)  5 days ago I cut down to 12 Norco(not going to refill the percs) but on the third day I had already cheated and taken 16, but it's my second back on twelve and I should be going to 11 1/2 tomorrow  (reduce by half pill every 3 - 4 days)....And to think, I remember the days when 1 regular vicodin would buzz me for 3 or 4 hrs - lol!!
That's funny, I remember that too, the creamy strawberry bubble bath! Sounds like a good idea!

[Gpison]

Kratom will bind to the same receptors that opiates bind to. It is not even close to being as strong of a narcotic as hydrocodone. You are simply prolonging your WD process by using it. You body thinks you have taken an opiate and will continue to not produce endorphines while you are using it.

We all want that magic thing to help heal our problem, but the only true way to heal ourselves is with time, determination, a strong support system and learning to love ourselves again.

You can do this! You would be amazed at how much of this process can be mental. Know you can do this, push through the next 4 or 5 days and be proud of what you have accomplished.

[GMcp]

is it a prescription medication?
every thing i read looks like it was just as hard to get off of after a 3 week constant use i read ppl saying how bad the w/d's are and to not bother doing it, its basically the same as oxy or any O narc so i think it looks pretty terrifying being a new sober pill user myself, id not bother if i were you, its ruff, specially when u miss the high so much, i do too, but i gotta keep trying i find taking the valarian root, with relora and gaba gaba help me with the cravings and thats alot safer that this stuff you are talking about it seems, maybe try that stuff first? along with a ton of epsom salts in your bath and a yummy smelling bubble bath i like strawberry cream reminds me of my old barbie bubble bath as a kid hehe it really relaxes me. what are you tapering from? and how long?

[1dazedkitty]

you're right, that's what I should do, but I am panicking because the next reduction in the number of pills I am taking for my taper is on for tomorrow, and I am already feeling the headache. UGH.  I know that's not possible and it's just my own mind "F" on myself so I am out looking for a band aid - or an excuse -
When I tried it,the kratom, I was able to take 2 pills in the morning and wait for 8 hrs until a next dose, which for me is close to miraculous - but it seems to mock the opiates, which is why it works and why I also am a bit scared of what it may cause (like another addiction)
then I tell myself, "but it's just an herb, a tea, how bad could it really be"...I think I already know the answer though....
Maybe I should just splurge on a nice bubble bath or bath oil and take a nice soak and relax instead of taking a stupid chance.

I appreciate you taking the time to read the link :)

Thank you!!

[GMcp]

ok i just read a bit of that and it dosnt look very safe, is it something you get at a pharmacy? or is it a herbal thing? like why dont you try healthy stuff, like gaba and Valerian root and that kinda stuff? instead of something thats addicting ?

[GMcp]

i have no idea what that is, im going to look at that link after i write this, but if you are ready for this life of sobriety, why do u wanna suppress it with something else that may be addicting? just take the few days of ickyness and go for it :)