Day 12 and not normal... ;)

[kellkell2184]

If anyone has any questions about my walk with suboxone and how I am 107 days clean off narcotics and 12 days of subs and everything please feel free to ask. Want to know how my specialist helped me? Want to know what I do to make it by I am here to help even people who are not on subs because I have detoxed without subs before too. Tell me your success stories I could take views from different people!

Also I read from a person on a post somewhere that day 13 is like the worst day for subs who are off any truth?

[nursegirl6572]

Well, that's the thing with these kinds of forums, there IS the fear that people will read something and think it's the norm.  I think it's VERY important for people to get the best, most accurate info possible.

That being said, kellkell has said on her other threads, that she certainly isn't the "norm" in this kind of situation.  As long as people are seeing that, along with the info, it's not as big a concern.  This thread worried me more, because kellkell was offering to share how she did it, but didn't really mention that her situation is far from typical.

The Klonopin may explain, to a point, the lack of w/d's.  Have you been on Klonopin for a while, kellkell?  Or is it newer for you?  Were you put on it for your other conditions, or strictly for w/d?  What dose are you on?  No doubt benzos will help w/d symptoms significantly, but with a jump off at 8mg, it would have to be a fairly hefty dose, especially if there were NO w/d's at all.  Hey, I couldn't be happier for you, certainly not everyone is the same, maybe, for some reason, you got lucky!  That's awesome!

Pitbull's ? is a good one, about your symptoms being flu related vs possible w/d symptoms.  Sub DOES have a long half life, and it isn't abnormal for people not to experience w/d's from Sub until sometimes 2, even 3 days after stopping it, so depending on when the flu like symptoms started, and depending on the Klonopin factor, you may have started having some w/d's, just not real severe ones.

Any which way, congrats on your clean time, hope you continue to do well!

[pitbullmom]

r u sure it was the flu or  late w/d im not being mean i just kno how i would feel

[pitbullmom]

good for u. im happy however any1 get off drugs. to nursegirl i dont think u need to worry bout people jumping too high just cuz she did dont me i want too or for that matter most drug addicts. im acually happy with my progress and if i need to stay on it 6 more months to hav a drug free happy life i will. i warned her i too thought it was too high. you always try to help people on sub and not judge them i appreciate that.

[kellkell2184]

To everyone on here I would have loved to explain however I have been sick with the stomach flu for a week. Hence not being on. My doctor put my on dicyclomine, reglan, ibuprofen and Clonapin. They all treat the symptoms and no I did not go through hell jumping from 8/2 thinking your calling my bluff is ridiculous. But your talking to someone that tapered quickly, I did not relapse, When I detoxed down with tapering I never went and took my suboxone I help me ground. I have two numbers because I have been a user for ten years so for me and only me 111 days is the day I stopped using street drugs aka pills 16 days is how long I have been on nothing. Your opinion is that of your own but to me that's how I feel. Thanks guys!

[conhall]

I have been checking the post daily waiting for the answer  kel you said you would share and answer any questions .

[Brightfutureahead]

KelKel...I hope you're doing great and you come back to post and answer some of these questions...? :)

[nursegirl6572]

Actually, sarah knows that.  She's the community leader of this forum.  She's been around a LONG time.  

[helpmehawaii]

there is no magic cure , sorry, lol.. but if you look up the thomas recipe, that does help a great deal

[nursegirl6572]

Hey Ron,

Sub can be great, if it is done right, at a GOOD clinic, with a holistic program.  And you're 100% right, there IS no easy way.  No matter what you do, there is really no way around detox.  

[Norco1947]

Hi everyone ,
My Dr offered to RX some Sub for my withdrawls from 100mg a day norco addiction .
I thank God i had read ton's of post's on this site about tradeing one addiction for another maybe tuffer addiction .
On day#22  now Norco  free , happy again so glad i used no helper drugs.
Maybe some people do need Sub drugs to help them .
Seems like a lot of people & Dr's think it's the easy way to detox.
There is no easy way ,
Ron

[vicki595]

I understand your position and agree with everything you've said. That's why so many have asked about the "recipe"....

It's very unfair to make the statements she has made and not follow up but she has...so be it.  I'm callin BS on this one and I will say there is NO WAY she jumped from 8mg of Sub without wd's. NO WAY IN H E L L!

I'm through with this, also...

[nursegirl6572]

dewey, your experience is the norm.  I'm not saying it isn't possible, but I've never seen or heard of anyone jumping off at 8mg either, they would be SO sick.  I believe in another thread, kel said she hadn't used anything, and just was lucky she hadn't had w/d's.  The doc I worked with insisted no one jumped until they were tapered to 0.5mg/day or less.  There was still the occasional person, who did well during the taper, who insisted coming off at 2mg, 3mg....they were in misery.  SUPER sick, had to go back on, then taper lower.

I too worry about people getting the wrong idea, I would never want someone to try to jump from such a high dose, thinking they would be okay.  I also would like to hear the deal here.  Kel posted this thread, basically offering to share her experience, what her specialist did for her, so that she did not have any w/d coming off sub at 8mg.  People are biting, they want to know!!  I'm anxious myself to see the answer.  Who knows??  Maybe her specialist is onto something that would be a HUGE benefit for others trying to come off subs!  That would be awesome!

I sincerely hope she comes back to post.

[deweyseth]

the only way this can happen i believe, is god, he is able, but the bible says be not decived god is not mocked whatsoever a man sow's he shall also reap, so i would like to hear what this life saving withdral recipe is also, cause i went through pure hell getting off suboxone, just dont want anybody being mislead on this site, alot of good people trying to get clean reaping what they have sowed, suboxone is a good tool IF USED RIGHT, if not your just trading one drug for another, I know we all all differnt, i tried jumbing at 2mg thought i was dying, had to go back and taper myself down and then jumped off at .25mg 2 months ago still have symptoms, sneezing none stop, still not sleeping right either getting about 4 to 5 hours a night at the best, I dont know but i smell something fishy up in here! people can say what they want you can jump at 8mg you will go through withdrawl in my experence with suboxone unless god says no withdrawl for you son, not trying to start a argument its just the truth, and thats all we can ask is truth, I am done with this bs. and will not respond to any bs either, in my experence this is bs and it makes me mad cause i went through hell on a long taper jumping at a low dose! you know what also i believe being honest and being honest with yourselve's is key to getting clean, done playing games! kellkell wish you a long and happy recovery! god bless!!

[vicki595]

In an earlier post the OP spoke of a "recipe" given by her specialist...and stated she did not have any wd's.

In all the time I've been a member here, she is the ONLY one who jumped at 8mg who didn't have an issue, that I've read about.  Amazing and worthy of an explanation for the others who suffer...

[clean_in_ks]

Thank you for clarifying......Sara!

Somedays, my brain just doesn't work very well and I really do try to understand the posts.

[dominosarah]

I am the one who used the word "magic".....Anyone who can come off 8mgs of sub and not experience any wd's needs to tell how this works.  Kellkell said her specialist helped and we could ask so that is what i was doing.

[clean_in_ks]

Do I have too many dead brain cells??  Where in the world is everybody picking up this "magic formula" magic potion stuff?????

[clean_in_ks]

The two posts above yours are sent to: KellKell

They "imply" she has some magic potion or magic formula regarding w/drawals.  I re-read KellKell's original post and DID NOT read anywhere that she claims to have a magic formula or did she say she did not have w/drawls.

I'm not sure what your sentence clean in ks.....do tell??
Do tell what???

I have re-read my post and the others.  Neither KellKell or myself have EVER stated we had NO w/drawals.  Or that there is a magic formula?

[IBKleen]

You could make a ton of money with this magic potion. So what is it?

[5Ooh4_girl74]

Im waiting for a response also. WHAT IS the magic potion cleaninks....do tell...??

[seagull25]

We are waiting for your response.

[dominosarah]

So what is this magic formula that didnt give you any wd's?  Are you doing anything with recovery care?

[candy_17]

Amen cleaninks!! That's great and I totally agree with you!! I'm glad I only have to keep up with one number for my clean time and that's totally and completely pill and drug free for 32 days:) keep up the good work.

Great job Kell!! Very happy for you, keep up the great work. It gets better everyday.

[clean_in_ks]

So...this post creates questions in me??  I had posted a question about a month ago about "clean" time and those still using narcotics after starting their "clean" clock.  I rec'd, of course, a variety of answers. (and not all of them made sense to me, I must admit, but I thought "to each his own")

A little history:   When I quit and started my clean clock:

I had gotten up to about 20-30/day 10mg hydros & weaned down to 10 ea 10mg hydros over a 3 wk period..... BUT my FIRST day completely off hydros, somas, and an AD of any kind (was on antidepressants for 10 yrs, many various ones)  was 110 days ago...  That's when I went into w/drawals; that's when I surrendered;   that's when I firmly committed to STOP taking hydros.  That's when the HELL began, if you will.

I will add that I had legit pain;    surgery;    more legit pain;   and still do.....but having been given the POWER of CHOICE, I am choosing NOT to take pain pills any more.  So....anyway

I was referred to a wacko (as it turned out) in my moment of desperation and knew absolutely NOTHING about the drug subutex or suboxone. (they are diff)  This psych. put me on subutex for a week.  Suboxone for two weeks.  I absolutely hated it......took myself off and never went back to see him.  But for my own personal records, I also keep track of the number of days off subs at 82 days.  THEN, I went off gabapentin....nerve damage med, and that clock is at 33 days.  It, too, affects gaba receptors in the brain, affects sleep, and is being "touted" by some as a way to ease w/d from opiates.
I chose......for myself......to be clean of ALL meds for the first time in a very long time.  I'm trying to find out how I am/who I am........w/o even an AD or Gaba affecting my brain.  I have permanent nerve damage.....but I really want to be totally clean and let my body heal.......my gift to myself.
I still don't know HOW or WHO I am......but it'll come.

Since my DOC (drug of choice) was hydrocodone.....for 110 days I have not had any of the drug that took over my life. (nor have I even considered "cheating" with any close substitutes like oxycodone or any other mind altering drug)
  
To me......I am 110 days clean......never became dependent on subs or took subs for long term......but then I was not hooked on heroin, methadone, or the phen.patch either.  Those are much, much harder to get off of CT.   The subs do not make you feel "high" and it is my understanding one of the big ++ of subs is helping to totally change the drug seeking behavior, having a ceiling on it, having the pain receptors "blocked if you will" so that any opiate taken outside of the sub will NOT work or get you high, etc
I do agree that giving up your DOC and taking subs long term defeats their purpose and as I witnessed w/ many in aftercare, they were afraid to get off subs..... that "felt" like drug seeking, addictive behavior to me....I didn't want to test "the waters" and hated how they made me feel anyway.
        
So.....that is the thinking process/history behind why my clock is set where it is.
My body, of course, knows how many days it has not had a sub or gaba receptor drug in it.....that's why I clock those timeframes as well.

There ARE people on here still taking narcotics.....and still counting clean time.  That's why I'm confused?????

Thank you in advance for listening.