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Detoxing/Dying from suboxen wd.
Was taking mass quantities of of oxycontin and Percocet for three months. My connection was abruptly cut off. Ended up in ER and was admitted. My labs were way off. Practically begged my doctor to wean me from the dope. He insisted on suboxen which is indeed the devil in disguise. On my 6th day without any after 5 days in detox. I'm literally in hell. All the symptoms possible. I was also a heavy drinker and on klonopin. Today, the withdrawal has reared its ugly head because I don't even feel like drinking. Also made the mistake of doing meth in between detox and now. Went to drugstore tonight and loaded up on Amino as per Thomas Method. I'm scared. I'm the newby here. Help!!!
Hello and welcome!
I'm sorry you're struggling, but try to hold your head high, your attitude is very good...you're taking responsibility for your decisions, and you've admitted you need help with your addiction! You're embarking on getting your life back, which is great.
It sounds like you were abusing multiple substances for quite a while, which can wreak havoc with you physically and emotionally. Have you stopped drinking, stopped taking all other drugs? Be VERY careful with alcohol. If you were drinking regularly, it's not good to try to detox yourself. Alcohol is one of the substances that CAN be harmful if stopped abruptly. How about the Klonopin, are you off that? If you're still using other substances, please be very careful. If that's the case, I would really recommend a medically supervised detox.
As for the subs, don't get hung up on all of the scary horror stories hon. Everyone is different. It's no fun, and typically, yes, subs are harder to w/d from than the full agonist opiates, but you can do it. You have to TRY to remain patient and just accept that this is going to take time and that you're not going to feel well for a time...but remember, it's temporary. You won't feel like that forever. It's going to take time until you don't feel like total crap, and then it's going to take even more time until you feel back to what you may consider close to "normal". It's not uncommon for people to have a tough time with sleep and energy normalizing. It will gradually get better and better.
The BEST thing you can do is try not to get stuck in your head, over-analyzing how you feel, watching the clock, those kinds of things. Stay engaged in life as much as you can (especially when the acute w/d symptoms improve). Follow the thomas recipe, and treat yourself symptomatically (like Immodium for the diarrhea, etc). If you can, enlist the help of a doctor, they can prescribe non habit forming medications that will also help to ease w/d. Exercise is invaluable during detox, even if you start with a 5 min walk around your house. KEEP moving as much as humanly possible.
The MOST important thing is, as SOON as you can, get yourself to meetings, find a private counselor, whatever you prefer. The "work" part of recovery is hands down the MOST important. Most addicts only focus on the detox and w/d, and while those STINK and are frightening, it's the STAYING clean part that ends up being the toughest, and if you don't put a good plan in place to stay clean...once you GET clean, you won't have gotten much further than when you started, you know? You have to LEARN about addiction, learn about YOUR individual addiction, learn your reasons for using, learn the things that trigger cravings and the desire to use. You also have to learn as much as you can about the stages of relapse and how to handle them. You basically have to equip yourself with the coping skills needed to KEEP yourself sober.
I wish you the very best. I'm glad you found your way here, this is a great site, and a great forum, full of people who know what you're going through. Keep posting, we'll be here cheering you on every step of the way. It won't be easy, but look at it this way, VERY few things in life that are amazing and wonderful come easy, right? And I cannot think of anything more wonderful than getting your life back!
I'm sorry you're struggling, but try to hold your head high, your attitude is very good...you're taking responsibility for your decisions, and you've admitted you need help with your addiction! You're embarking on getting your life back, which is great.
It sounds like you were abusing multiple substances for quite a while, which can wreak havoc with you physically and emotionally. Have you stopped drinking, stopped taking all other drugs? Be VERY careful with alcohol. If you were drinking regularly, it's not good to try to detox yourself. Alcohol is one of the substances that CAN be harmful if stopped abruptly. How about the Klonopin, are you off that? If you're still using other substances, please be very careful. If that's the case, I would really recommend a medically supervised detox.
As for the subs, don't get hung up on all of the scary horror stories hon. Everyone is different. It's no fun, and typically, yes, subs are harder to w/d from than the full agonist opiates, but you can do it. You have to TRY to remain patient and just accept that this is going to take time and that you're not going to feel well for a time...but remember, it's temporary. You won't feel like that forever. It's going to take time until you don't feel like total crap, and then it's going to take even more time until you feel back to what you may consider close to "normal". It's not uncommon for people to have a tough time with sleep and energy normalizing. It will gradually get better and better.
The BEST thing you can do is try not to get stuck in your head, over-analyzing how you feel, watching the clock, those kinds of things. Stay engaged in life as much as you can (especially when the acute w/d symptoms improve). Follow the thomas recipe, and treat yourself symptomatically (like Immodium for the diarrhea, etc). If you can, enlist the help of a doctor, they can prescribe non habit forming medications that will also help to ease w/d. Exercise is invaluable during detox, even if you start with a 5 min walk around your house. KEEP moving as much as humanly possible.
The MOST important thing is, as SOON as you can, get yourself to meetings, find a private counselor, whatever you prefer. The "work" part of recovery is hands down the MOST important. Most addicts only focus on the detox and w/d, and while those STINK and are frightening, it's the STAYING clean part that ends up being the toughest, and if you don't put a good plan in place to stay clean...once you GET clean, you won't have gotten much further than when you started, you know? You have to LEARN about addiction, learn about YOUR individual addiction, learn your reasons for using, learn the things that trigger cravings and the desire to use. You also have to learn as much as you can about the stages of relapse and how to handle them. You basically have to equip yourself with the coping skills needed to KEEP yourself sober.
I wish you the very best. I'm glad you found your way here, this is a great site, and a great forum, full of people who know what you're going through. Keep posting, we'll be here cheering you on every step of the way. It won't be easy, but look at it this way, VERY few things in life that are amazing and wonderful come easy, right? And I cannot think of anything more wonderful than getting your life back!
Good morning and welcome! Yep, it takes a bit to start to feel better as we have put our bodies thru some years of crap. The good news is that you will find support here from folks of all walks of life and different doc's. I have not taken subs but went the opiate route. If you have made it here on day 6, then you can make it thru. Don't give in. You must cut your sources and know that you have no more access. This will help you start to accept it mentally. Distract your brain - sleep when you can, listen to music, watch funny movies. If you can exercise at all, you should. Even if it just means walking around the driveway a bit.
As you said, this is not your first rodeo. Please start thinking about your after care. You need support as we are not meant to walk this journey alone. NA/AA, counseling, church support...you need to start working on the addiction. When the physical WD's start to fade, you will start dealing with the mentals. You have gone thru this and know it is a real kicker and turning point for relapse.
You can win this battle. You can make this your last time. You are doing great so far...you are surviving. You CAN do this!
As you said, this is not your first rodeo. Please start thinking about your after care. You need support as we are not meant to walk this journey alone. NA/AA, counseling, church support...you need to start working on the addiction. When the physical WD's start to fade, you will start dealing with the mentals. You have gone thru this and know it is a real kicker and turning point for relapse.
You can win this battle. You can make this your last time. You are doing great so far...you are surviving. You CAN do this!
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One more thing, I just read that someone told u 24 hrs....not correct. U need to get ALL of the vitamins and minerals on the Thomas taper website as when I got on here on day 2 of my detox someone was good enough to be honest with me....2/3 weeks. I don't say that for any reason other than u need to know this so u know what to expect! I was much appreciative for the honesty b/c when day 10 hit I knew it was normal!
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I too, jumped off the subs but was taking them for 6 yrs. Didn't see above, but what dose did u stop at? It does feel like your dying, for sure, but u won't. Stay hydrated as best u can, I'm sure u have no appetite but u must drink. I would bank that your going through a mix of w/ds, a bit of all the dope. Just hold tight and ride it out b/c u can do this. I don't know why the Dr would prescribe them for one week then cut it? Get in bed and relax the best u can. I am firmly against the subs now that I know more about them. And yes, if u can taper them, that's great, but I don't know many addicts that can taper, I couldn't! Good luck and keep posting!
Indeed. Yes my brother, sister and nephew finally stepped in after 2 years of me moving into her duplex and being her only caretaker. Boy I could juggle. Finally crashed, which is good. Don't ever let them prescribe subs. My doc has his head so far up the pharmaceutical company's a** it's an abomination. In essence I take responsibility. Seeing a new doc soon. Hopefully, counseling when I can ambulate better. I know, wah, wah. Took the word try out of my vocabulary and replaced it with do.
I feel like crapp.But Im ok with it.I know it took awhile to get here and it will take awhile to get back.I have a lot of physical and mental issues that I am no longer medicated so,that to is another issue..keep coming back.Im gonna go get my hour of rest in before picking up Hubby from work..Be a back later to check on u. hugs
Thank you. Everyone is really cool on here. Since I am unable to sleep, it is a great help as well as knowing I am not alone. I feel like crap. Physically and psychologically. This is my last chance. Not my first rodeo. Some relief would be heaven sent. Everyone is tired of my bs and complaining. Me too!! How do you feel? I've read getting off subs is worse than your opiate of choice and methadone. All I want is peace. I wish that for everyone going through this. :)
"I want my life back" Honey u r taking it back now.. Be proud of that and keep moving forward..Is there anyone who can come in and help with Mom for a bit??
Thank you for your kindness. On subs for a little over two years. Titrated to 2 mgs daily for a few months but had many a slip up. Apparently, my resistance is very low regarding the wds. Going to buy Ensure today because I can't eat much. Trying this Amino acid route. First day today. Someone wrote they felt better in 24 hours. I'm praying. My Mama has Alzheimer's Disease and I haven't been able to tend to her. I want my life back. Want to feel again.
Congrats on day 5 How long were u on the Subs. There r a lot of ppl here that can help u thru this.I am not an expert on them as(thk GOD) they were never part of my addiction.I do know it takes time to get the poisons out.I am on day 13 of getting off 2 yrs on methadone and it has been one hell of a couple weeks.I would not be where I am without the ppl here.U have come to a good place.. Hang in there.. U r on the road to taking your Life back..
Hi and welcome
I am new here to but wanted you to know there's alot of great people on here to help so hang in there. I know how hard it is. I was on oxy for quite a few years and was taking rediculous amounts also. Didnt go the sub route but quite 4 days ago. obviously not sleeping well. how are you feeling right now?
Just know youre not alone
I am new here to but wanted you to know there's alot of great people on here to help so hang in there. I know how hard it is. I was on oxy for quite a few years and was taking rediculous amounts also. Didnt go the sub route but quite 4 days ago. obviously not sleeping well. how are you feeling right now?
Just know youre not alone
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