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15206917 tn?1441190409

Found CBD Cannabis Oil at our local health shop

Just bought some CBD oil.
Understand I'm not looking for something new to get addicted to but done some major reading on this in the past. I want aware it was even legal to buy here in Alabama (2nd state to legalize it) but I'm willing to give it a shot. It's supposed to help with not only cancer and tumors but anxiety, inflammatory issues and other small problems.  I used to smoke pot and remember it always helped me when I was having headaches or my calves burning. I am no way encouraging any kind of drugs but I will write down what I feel like and give a report on it. If I feel like this is helpful then it could be something natural that can be helpful to others in recovery.
I would like anyone's input please, I want to make sure this is a safe product to use to help with recovery.  If it's not then I will not want to continue this use. I will listen to all constructive criticism, I feel it will be necessary in this.
Thanks ((John))
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1530493 tn?1410056636
Dedicated your post made me smile !!!
I came here in 2010 with a heroin addicted son,  I have the utmost respect for everyone here, as they guided me with compassion,  understanding and support.   It isn't about who is right or wrong.   It's about how to support each individual person,  with their individual situation with the same ending goal.

I know the controversy over subs, several pmd me back then and told me not to speak about subs here, as it wasn't well received but also told me if they were in my shoes they absolutely would give it a try.
That was the route we took, along with individual counseling...today my son is 3 years clean.
I couldn't have done it without the support I did receive here but also backed away from this forum,  when it came to him starting subs as I knew it wasn't the "correct" way.  
What works for one doesn't always work for the next.

I 100% agree with Sara, PB needs to see a doctor for root cause of the Burning feet, but if it comes down to nothing more than pain management and pills,  if there are alternative non addictive ways,  isnt that the better choice. Cbd oil is very different than MM.

Plowboy ...I give an absolute  Yay, and hope i dont get kicked out of here for saying that.
While my daughters situation is different than yours,  cbd oil has saved her life.   As posted above the diet used in children like mine. Can change their situation.  Hmmm we did the keto diet...it helped but no comparison to what the oil has done.   The oil is new,  they have found a way to get it out to public...FDA holds it back, my question is why ?  Not enough proof ?  It took parents patients that had no other choose but death to start showing proof.
I had researched the use of  oil one year prior to beginning it.  I also belong to a group similar as this but all parents struggling to save their children's lives. We knew nothing when we started,  but we didn't have a choice.  Trial and error...supporting each other...becoming one big family we learned together.
Weve used this for near a year with great success, all neurological related, in the process we were able to wean our kids that are very delicate from all kinds of benzos, when prior there was no chance.  
My daughter is NOT addicted nor dependent on the oil.   She has come off of 3 drugs and down to 1/2 daily dose of her final drug. After a year I find we can use less oil,  in fact I can now take oil away from her for weeks, only using it to break seizures for a few weeks if she flurries due to illness.  These minds are fragile, if it helps children like her she was all but given up on,  I believe cbd has endless possibilities.   Just like everything else in life it doesn't work for everyone.   If it's going work it seems to be immediate results fading off over a week than picking up and improving over a month.
what we seem to be seeing on the neurological  end is stabilizing chemical imbalance.   I've never been in an addicts shoes,  but lived the life with many I love.  My heroin addicted son 3 years ago went the mental health way after a slit wrist.  He was diagnosed  with a chemical imbalance, was self medicating just to feel normal.   I thought I lost him, if he ever starts to sway...the first plan of action for him will be cbd oil.

This shouldn't be about who is right or wrong. ...because there is no right or wrong.   It's what works for you,  to be able to enjoy a healthily life being the dad you want to be.

I for one,  if you continue with the oil am very interested in your progress and everything you have to say about it :)
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5986700 tn?1380791380
Awesome bc2281!
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15206917 tn?1441190409
Yea, I'm not wanting to affect the support here, that concerns me the most.
I just want a safe alternative for those that are seeking out a natural solution to quitting pills. We all know pills are a dangerous thing.
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1530493 tn?1410056636
Hmmm. I have to agree with you spider6...great post plowboy.
Cbd is not used to alter the mind in any way. ..what they are beginning to believe is it has a rebalance effect for chemical imbalance.
Different strains of MM with high thc...different story, I could then see the concern.
This forum is for support,  everyone here individual having different needs.
Good luck plowboy
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5986700 tn?1380791380
Great post PlowBoy.
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15206917 tn?1441190409
So its okay to tell someone to use this Thomas recipe and get otc stomach aids, advil or other type of "natural" supplements like melatonin but but bash cbd oil because it's extracted from a plant known for its high?
I ask this because we either have to stop giving advice on any types of aids and say cold turkey is the way or give advice on what kids of natural supplements (including cbd and such) to help cope with the dread that comes with w/d's. I've always wrote journals of my life's ups and downs,  I started a new book just for this and I'm willing to take this chance if I know in my heart it can help others.
Like I've mentioned above,  I only used the 3 drops and (1:10pm yesterday) my anxiety and the burning in my legs and feet are still gone. That's the only thing I can say so far but it doesn't have my approval just yet.
I do have my doubts, I don't want to have others believing this cbd is something to just swap over to. I'm willing to sacrifice my 33 days if that's what I've done just to know that there might be a natural way to help cope, if I can lay this down without any w/d's then I will have sacrificed for the good.
I'm still in meetings, the only one that's open are court ordered and everyone there but some county worker has cards to sign. Nobody there wants to be there and it's like sitting in a class room when the teacher is talking.
I haven't found one where people come on th ear own for recovery, I'm looking for one that has people that care.
It hasn't stopped me from going but I feel there is more to it than seeing people forced to be somewhere they don't want to be (I've noticed this the past two meetings), it's really a downer to see.
I hope everyone here knows that I'm looking for a solution to a sickness that don't require a pill that can kill, we know cbd has been proven to help.
Last note, I didn't get high off the 3 drops, I did get sleep and I am thankful for that.
Vickie, I'm do agree with you ma'am,  we don't need another mind altering drug. That is what I'm wanting to do, either approve or disapprove this.
Pillguy, not sure if I understand, I'm not looking for a hight but I'm looking at this like I'm comparison between Advil or cbd.
We've all taking some type of otc, this is sold in the local health store and I want what's best for my kids and I along with everyone else.
I pray I haven't caused any problems.
Thanks for this discussion, it's better than taking pills
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1530493 tn?1410056636
Hi there
Geez not sure if I should post this,  but here it goes.
I believe cbd oil has great benefits, neurological being one. There is alot of "fake" stuff out there, so be careful.
the pure oil is expensive about 50.00 a gram.
Charlotte's web, Hayleys hope,  cbd gold all have between 23-24% cbd and
.03 -.77 % thc.  Not enough thc to cause a high.  It helps with pain,  seizures, mental issues also withdrawl.  
These I've had first hand experience with my daughter, she has the same type of seizure disorder as little Charlotte which brought Charlotte's web out in the open.  My daughter dependent on many drugs but one that was a nightmare for her was Klonopin.  I was able to wean her off Klonopin  with the use of the oil, when other tries were impossible.  It also controls her seizures approx 90-95%.  The key with the oil is less is best, and give it time to help. ..it won't be immediate.
I've seem amazing results in my daughter,  and believe other claims to probably  be accurate.  We have been working with it near a year, with no increases over the year, just a reset about every 3 months. NO side effects.
this is not meant to offend any one
good luck to you
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15206917 tn?1441190409
That's not what I'm wanting to achieve,  just because I attempt to use natural remedies don't mean I'm saying it's okay to use pills. But that's a good point, I don't want it to trigger another. I went in looking for natural vitamins and spotted this, I remember reading about baby Carly (Carly act was passed on CBD) and thought it would be something better than a pill
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4522800 tn?1470325834
This is just a thought..but when i had just a few months in on my Recovery, I was still sick with the detoxing. Everything hurt from my Head to my Toes. I had pain in the lower sac in the spine and so forth. I went and talked to my DR and he said, since I have no history of anything wrong in this way, he said I had "Somatic Syndrome"..Meaning that my Brain was still healing and balancing back and it will sending false singles to my body.  It was very painful all over but after a few more months later everything went away. Just a Thought!!! lol
Bless
Vickie
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15206917 tn?1441190409
So far I know it's knocked out the anxiety and the burning feeling I have in my feet, I wrote the time down at 12:30pm when I took it and it's 2:10pm. It's definitely something I plan on using in the morning after my walk
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Hi.....well my doughtier uses cbd oil for her back  she had to be cut out of a car and was lucky to live  but suffered a crushed vertebraa  she now has a cage 2 steel roods and 10 screws holding it together  she has her bad days and the oil works  she also smokes something called ''sharlets web''  it is a type of weed that 23% cbd and .2% thc  it wont get you high but is excellent for pain management ....she has her az weed card so it is all leagle for me I use something called  DMSO  you can get it on amazon  it is amazing for lower back pain  just one more thing in my arsenal to manage my back  try the oil  see if it works for you get the DMSO it is only 14 bucks on amazon.............Gnarly
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17969297 tn?1533077149
I would like to know how the CBD oil did for you? Did it work for what you needed?
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I have about 3 years and half in recovery, I agree with plow boy, in the end motives speak volumes, if you really want to get high, you get high. Personally I have tried Cbd with no thc or so little that I felt absolutely nothing. My pregnant friend was explaining how it helped her with pain and felt relief from hormones and she told me to try it, I was leery at first and she told me to trust her and that she wouldn't put my recovery in danger. I was curious and didn't understand how an oil from weed couldn't get you high and explained to her that I didn't want to get high. So I took one puff. Felt absolutely nothing. No high and if anything was relieved. Believe it or not I'm afraid of being high the idea makes me anxious. I am a very holistic person, do yoga, meditate, help others, eat extremely healthy and spent the first years of my recovery listening to my intuition and took supplements high in chlorophyll , fish oil stayed away from coffee and nicotine and pretty much did everything possible to regenerate health. With everything I do I suffer from paranoia, depression and social anxiety. I agree with others in not trading one mind altering substance for another, but why do I see so many people in rooms drinking coffee and smoking cigarettes , eating sugar which are extremely damaging to your nervous system acidic and toxic. These things are mind altering also, if you use them with the same motives as alcohol. And you are doing self harm this way as well. Sooo with that being said, the cbd didn't make me high in any way, but I really felt like a normal person the rest of the day and my reactions to my thoughts were easy to let go of. This is stuff is anti inflammatory and promotes neurogenisis and balance in the brain. I would try it again, possibly around my period when I tend to go crazy and have pain. Everything isn't so black and white, sobriety is checking motives and listening to your higher power, I am now at a place where I want to love myself , without taking pills. Or drinking. Heck I replacfed green tea with black coffee cause it's better for me , but it still gets me going. Doesn't mean I'm trying to get high. Just my thoughts from a recovery rookie.
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15206917 tn?1441190409
I only consider myself clean from pills, I can't bring myself to say I'm clean as of yet.
I still hold firm that the oil works for the burning and the burning causes my anxiety so anxiety has stopped all together. This Friday I plan on going without for a week, I want to be sure it's not addictive.
I keep thinking about how I would smoke pot, when the kids came into my life I laid it down. I've used it from time to time when they would be at their mothers for the summer. I would always put it down for weeks at a time, I haven't used pot for a few years but can't recall having any cravings. Now I'm not on pills I feel I can tell if I will have any cravings for the week. I want to test all possible solutions to this, I've already made that step by purchasing the oil so I'm willing to look at this open minded.  I've discussed what I'm doing with close family and friends, they are just as worried as I am but do support me.
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I have about 3 years and half in recovery, I agree with plow boy, in the end motives speak volumes, if you really want to get high, you get high. Personally I have tried Cbd with no thc or so little that I felt absolutely nothing. My pregnant friend was explaining how it helped her with pain and felt relief from hormones and she told me to try it, I was leery at first and she told me to trust her and that she wouldn't put my recovery in danger. I was curious and didn't understand how an oil from weed couldn't get you high and explained to her that I didn't want to get high. So I took one puff. Felt absolutely nothing. No high and if anything was relieved. Believe it or not I'm afraid of being high the idea makes me anxious. I am a very holistic person, do yoga, meditate, help others, eat extremely healthy and spent the first years of my recovery listening to my intuition and took supplements high in chlorophyll , fish oil stayed away from coffee and nicotine and pretty much did everything possible to regenerate health. With everything I do I suffer from paranoia, depression and social anxiety. I agree with others in not trading one mind altering substance for another, but why do I see so many people in rooms drinking coffee and smoking cigarettes , eating sugar which are extremely damaging to your nervous system acidic and toxic. These things are mind altering also, if you use them with the same motives as alcohol. And you are doing self harm this way as well. Sooo with that being said, the cbd didn't make me high in any way, but I really felt like a normal person the rest of the day and my reactions to my thoughts were easy to let go of. This is stuff is anti inflammatory and promotes neurogenisis and balance in the brain. I would try it again, possibly around my period when I tend to go crazy and have pain. Everything isn't so black and white, sobriety is checking motives and listening to your higher power, I am now at a place where I want to love myself , without taking pills. Or drinking. Heck I replacfed green tea with black coffee cause it's better for me , but it still gets me going. Doesn't mean I'm trying to get high. Just my thoughts from a recovery rookie.
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Plowboy, you've helped me many many times and I support you all the way.  Just wanted to add that my friend who has epilepsy and has break through seizures uses CBD oil and it helps her tremendously.  I went so far as to buy a CBD pen and some oil but never used it. I was going to see if it would back th  anxiety off, at the time I felt like there were snakes eating my insides. I ended up not using it due to finding out my company DOES test for cannabinoids in the random drug screenings. That gave me the willies about losing my job zo I gave it to my friend. It may have helped, but I'll never know!  Another point was that I wouldn't have considered myself clean completely if I'd opted to use it. I know you'll do what's best for you and your sobriety.  I'm sending you hugs, prayers and best wishes. -Bonnie-
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15206917 tn?1441190409
I'm outside most of the day, love me some sun :-)
I do have a plans to go to the doctor to see why I have burning in my legs and feet but if it's nothing major and they want to give a pill, I will kindly say no. I'm done with pills, just the thought of taking on makes my stomach turn
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1530493 tn?1410056636
Just to ease your mind cbd oil is legal in all 50 states, it's considered a dietary supplement, just like a vitamin.  It's apparently still very misunderstood.
But glad your having it checked out, itll make you feel better. It's the cbd that has the neurological benefits.  (Burning, twitching, rls) it calms the brain enough to prevent seizures
MM is still not legal in most states due to the thc content, thats more for pain issues...as I've said that's a different story, while I do believe that too will have great benefits in certain situations, yours may not be one.
vitamin D...
I only recently was made aware that low levels of vitamin D will cause all kinds of mind issues, depression, that lost feeling and if low enough confusion  ( although other issues will do that too ) many drugs deplete the D.  We don't get enough of that from our foods and unless your in the sun a lot we just don't get the D we need.  It make sense. ..the sun makes us happy.
I think your on the right track,  you have a very positive attitude,  I find it amazing that you'll take that cbd one step further and have it checked out to make sure it won't set you back :)
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15206917 tn?1441190409
So far I have no desire for the pills, don't have the desire for the oil but it's only been 3 days since I picked it up. There has to be a better solution to pills and a better alternative than swapping from pills to another product that will become addictive ie; immodium.  We are here because we have addictive mentality and have problems coping with pain and other elements. I guess I had problems coping with the burn but took the tramadol for the pain in my wrist, looking back now I guess that was my excuses to take. I pray this isn't another lie I tell myself just to take the oil. I don't believe that's the case but like I said, I will only use it to relieve the burning in my legs, that's where my anxiety come from.
I know I don't want the pills, I know I don't want to continue with this but until I am in a clear mind I feel this is a better alternative than pills. I still have a friend that's in the police department (drug task force) that's researching this same product, he went and took a bottle from the shelf from where I bought it. I want to cover every aspect of this, I want to be on the safe end
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1530493 tn?1410056636
I too agree swapping one mind altering drug for another is not the way to go the goal is clean.
I'm just speaking of my son's experience...he needed to go with the lesser of 2 evils and work his way up from there
idk...I guess that's where it comes down to each individual person, and just having the support.
You have many clean days behind you and I hope you find continued success !!!! :)
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15206917 tn?1441190409
I have to say the oil works with the burning and anxiety but not the headaches and lower back pain. I'm willing to settle for not having my legs and feet burn, something the pills wouldn't work for. Pills wouldn't eliminate the other problems but only mask them, today I haven't needed to try the drops so that's another plus in my book.
I still a agree with Ms. Vickie, swapping from one mind altering drug to another isn't the way to go but here's where I'm willing to make that sacrifice to test it. I've prayed about this and feel it's a choice one won't know until it's tested
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495284 tn?1333894042
COMMUNITY LEADER
I am glad you are checking this stuff out but i still stand by what i said before...Make sure you dont have any medical issues going on.  I dont want to see you "self medicate" yourself if you do have something that needs to be treated by an MD.
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15206917 tn?1441190409
I'm wanting to avoid any type of addictive supplements all together, if I was looking for the high I'm sure I could go score some weed.
As far as I'm concerned, not very many people has used this oil enough to say yay or nay and I'm nearly willing to try this to see where it stands. Today has been great and I haven't needed to use the product and I still haven't felt any side effects from it. The weather is humid and I have a dull pain in my lower back and a headache but I'm not going to try it. If my legs get to burning I might but want to wait as long as possible.
I think I will have a doctor check up on the burning but won't have them write anything out because I'm leary on any types of pills
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4810126 tn?1503942735
It's very true that after detox underlying psychological & physical issues come to light. Part of recovery -- part of putting together a decent plan for a decent future is addressing this stuff.

I have sympathy with both 'camps' on this thread but I believe that life is a little more 'gray' then black & white & so can only speak & act from that perspective.

I think it's important to make the distinction here between self-medicating & self-treating. I understand it's early in Plowboy's detox & I fully appreciate the length of time, the heartache, changes & sheer hard work it takes to make the requisite mental/spiritual & physical changes  in order to beat an addiction.(@ 2 yrs. 9 mos., I consider myself early in the process). The most obvious & difficult obstacle for most of us is to get out of the knee-jerk mindset of reaching for something in order to cope or maybe just to avoid coping.

The thing is, researching something thoroughly via medical literature, through local expertise & forums (anecdotal) & a willingness to discuss it without being defensive or disappearing, tend to make me think that Plowboy's quest is not being spurred by a desire to dodge psychological stress (ie. coming out of an addictive impulse), but rather by a legitimate medical quest. We still have the right (in fact if you want to survive intact our there these days, it's a d*mn good idea) to take responsibility for our own health & well being into hands. It's important to really do the research, to reach out to wherever you can in order to learn &  to learn to listen to your body once you're a little clearer & your body/mind is healing.

Without a doubt CBD has some excellent applications! First, I would (as Sara suggested) find out definitively what is going on w/ you. Get a diagnosis. It sure sounds like peripheral neuropathy & if it is, it's important to find out the source like diabetes, celiac disease or ataxia. Then, you can  research the causes of your condition & possible treatments & put together a plan. Not really knowing what you're dealing with is not the optimal way to go here. I mean, okay, say the CBD helps & it alleviates the symptoms of the underlying condition (for example diabetic neuropathy), sure, it's a relief but the problem is that the disease continues to progress unchecked. Of course, there's no guarantee that even w/ a full understanding of what's going on that you can cure or check your condition but strong odds are that you'll be able to make some lifestyle & nutritional changes that will improve your quality of life.

A huge part of my recent recovery work has had to do with treating myself better -- really adapting to the idea of being 'clean' -- that it's an across the board thing: physical, mental, spiritual & that maybe I'm worth it. It sounds obvious but for some reason it wasn't able to integrate these ideas in a practical way into my life while I was struggling so hard to maintain the first couple of years. It's happened gradually, as my understanding deepened & the missing puzzle pieces resolved -- still working on it :P) It's kind of a Catch-22, without enough neural & physical healing, you can't get to a place where you feel 'clear' enough & optimistic enough (depression/insomnia/restlessness can really linger after detox)  to do the full work to make further healthy changes in your life but somehow with grace & perseverance we get there. Treat yourselves well people & love your bodies!

@ Dedicatedtostop: I agree with much of your post (especially about kindness on forum!! -- although I only saw one comment that I thought was a bit 'clumsy' that way on this thread). I wanted to ask you about your comparison between Dolophine & Loperamide. Granted, they're both opiates but as far as I know, that's where the similarity ends. One crosses the BBB, the other doesn't. One is very strong, the other very weak. Loperamide has the ability to potentiate Methadone further. Please, let me know if you have anything further on this :) (very curious!)
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Very, Very Well Said,  Dedicated.

Plow Boy, you are strong and I know from reading your post your on your way to victory!!!!  

God Bless you
Chig
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