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Kratom for pain only not opiate wd

I took some yesterday and it helped so much. Anyone else have advice?
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I've heard great things about kratom but it's illegal in my state. Are you taking it by capsules?
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I did not yesterday but plan to order some capsules today
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It is legal in the states
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I mean in OREGON NOT the states
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I am so curious about this
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Careful with kratom Tramlover, I've never had any experience myself with it but from what people on this board say who've used it is that it is habit forming just like an opiate and comes with it's own similar withdrawal.
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Thank you so much! I will contact the pharmacist along with my doctor tomorrow regarding it. I want to be VERY careful. I'm on 3 weeks clean I believe. Doing great but I have severe sciatica. I might be looking at surgery soon if I can't find another solution. Desperately looking for help on this topic
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Anyone else with info?
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242912 tn?1402543492
Please, this stuff is a BAD idea.  Something that is ILLEGAL should be a red flag.  Right?  

I too have severe sciatica.  A better choice would be some kind of anti-inflammatory...something like aspirin or ibuprofen (if you can tolerate; these are NSAID's).  My dr recently rx'd Celebrex.  It's a strong NSAID, and working well so far.  

Congrats on 3wks clean!  Keep moving forward, but forget the Kratom.  
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It is LEGAL in my state. So I'm not sure what other reasons you have? Can you give me more info?
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In 3 years here, I have seen many come here to detox WITH Kratom, then I've seen them return to detox FROM Kratom. I've heard it works okay for a short time, and have seen very few successfully use it for detox or pain. In a matter of weeks tolerance builds, faster than with other opiate receptor analgesics. I haven't tried it, but I know a little about the brain and synthetic as well as natural alkaloids in the brain. As far as I know, any drug that works on opioid receptors, be it methadone, suboxone, or Kratom build tolerance and addiction. What else have you tried, besides herbal or pharmaceutical treatments?
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Good to know! I have nearly tried every medication out there. Gabapentin works great but I hear it's withdrawals are horrible too. I'm trying to find something that I won't have withdrawals from.?
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242912 tn?1402543492
First, what Weaver said. :)  

Second, I have tried Gaba also, and yes, the withdrawal from it can be very hard.  However, have you tried a low level like 100mgs?  And maybe every other day which would keep the w/d to a minimum.  Very difficult to find a med (other than NSAID's), that won't produce some sort of withdrawal.  I'm sorry you're suffering - sciatica is miserable.  
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Thank you both! I'll chat with my doctor about it this week :)
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My cousin was taking Kratom so I did some research on it.

It is an opiod, and although it is not illegal in most states, that doesn't mean it is legal.  Right now, kratom is not well understood my the medical community, and is on an FDA watch-list.  

Most of it comes from Indonesia, where it IS illegal.   It is harvested form a shrub, by who knows what means, and stored in huts, barns, lean-to's, etc. until it is processed and shipped here.   There is no regulation, no oversight, no regulations on this stuff.   What this means is that you don't know, literally, what you are putting into your body.  It could and probably does contain pesticides, lead, bacteria, fungi, etc.  

Google "kratom liver damage" and you'll see a lot of anecdotal reports on the internet about people who used this drug and had liver issues.  

It's your body, but personally, I wouldn't take kratom.  Just my 2 cents.  
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I didn't mean to say "reguations" twice.  My bad.
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Thank you all so much I'm reconsidering taking it.
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Kratom interacts with opiate receptors in the brain.  Many of us here hava a theory that artificial stimulation of those receptors is problematic for opiate addicts.  Its not just about not taking pills!  Its about not over-simulationg the opiate receptor by artificial means.  No Kratom!  Sorry!
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IMO...I would stay away from the Kratrom....I have to ask though...not sure how long you've been clean (not judging either) but a question was asked to me in the beginning that I took with me to this day. Why do you need to put something in you to make you happy? To make you content? To make you feel normal? Why do you feel abby-normal (lol)....when I was asked this it actual made me ask myself why am I so damn uncomfortable in my own skin?  

Trading one drug for another is all your doing......we all want to do it....but you know what the answer is....
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Ummmm I was told it was to help with energy. I didn't know it was a happy pill
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I was chasing energy for years!!!  That's part of what I loved about pills and suboxone!  The constant rush that allowed me to get up at 6:00, get 4 kids out the door for school, work, be room mother for all of them, hold position in kids school PTA, hold office in our local rec dept, keep a magnificently clean house (looks like poop now, but, oh well), cut grass, weed gardens, blah, blah, blah, blah!  Oh yeah, and do homecooked meals every day!  Energy is something I struggle with every single day still...18 months out...the only thing I've found that helps is a good multivitamin (still every day)...I freakin live on coffee (probably not very healthy though)....exercise every day (even if it's just walking a few miles).....when I have **** to do I still just do one thing at a time....what's funny though, is doing it this way, clean I mean, I'm actually getting more done than before??? Go figure??? One thing that was told to me in the beginning was that rush of energy that the drugs gave you, wasn't real!  It's not real....we're not meant to be super high charged energizer bunnies....it's totally normal to do what you can and the rest can get done tomorrow.  
Oh yeah, drink LOTS, and LOTS of water!  I drink water all damn day long, it helps as well.  The energy, your real, normal energy level is going to come back on it's own, but what I had to realize is that what I expected of myself in a day.....was totally unrealistic.....and so what if you can't eat off my floor anymore....don't eat there anyway!  lol
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I have decided against it after all the input. You all have made the difference. Especially in educating me on this. Thank you
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Most people say that kratom is just a replacement to the drugs prescribed by their docs and they don't get addicted to it. If we use it in proper manner we can enjoy the benefits of it. If we do take in excess kratom dosage will lead to nausea, tiredsomeness and some related abnormalities.
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If we used prescribed meds in a proper manner and in moderation, they wouldnt be a problem either. That's the problem with Kratom for addicts, we typically don't use and enjoy the benefits of our medicine appropriately. I'd be careful with any mood altering chemical, as an addict, of which Keatom does alter the mind and mood. I have seen many addicted to it, detox is very similar to any opiate receptor antagonist.
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