Positive thinking for detox

[KimH]

I am in the weening process from ultram. I have a doctor and family helping me. I wanted to ask the people who are experiencing sobriety to please tell me, do you really feel better? I am getting in the depressed part of this but when I start to feel like I will never be happy or feel good again, I'll feel like @%$# forever, I then see someone post how good they feel being sober. Is it really good? I mean, if you post the horrible parts of being a drug addict, and the now good parts of being sober, it gives me and I'm sure many other people who are detoxing hope to go on knowing it gets better. Something to strive for. I guess only sober people can answer this, but the more replies the better, and people like me can read this when we're down and hold on to the hope we can have. The encouraging sobriety stories (like expillman talking about being free) have kept me from using 3x. Please post more encouragement for us with "withdrawel blues". thanks KIMH

[Juhncadula]

Take responsibility for my own actions.  Accountability.  Its not their faults, its mine that fucks up my life.  I get high.... all the time.  I can't stop.  I go through life, go through the motions, but can't get over myself.  Constanty worried that everyone knows what I don't, where they are going, been. The mountains still llook the same, the water, ocean.  I just enjoy the illusion of a pain free world.  My illusions are not apparent to others.  So if anyone knows where I'm coming from, you should call the doctor.  Believe it.  -Dan

[newlyf]

Is this still up and running for people to post on?  Just curious. It looks as though most of the dates are older.  New here and just wondering.  Thanks

[QMama]

My sister was clean from pain killers for over 5 years until she had to have an operation and has been having a very difficult time getting off of them.  I am going to spend a week with her to help her detox.  Does anyone have any suggestions on how to do this?

Thanks!

[cosmicstargoat]

Hippeee, Purpel Hays, Chambers Brothers, InaGaddaDaVida, Kenny Rodgers singing what condition my condition is in,  GIVE ME AN
F!, Country Joe & his Fish.

You think Pillman has low SELF STEAM?  Shoot, boy, He got more Self STEAM than sweet darling Janis Joplin chugging a bottle of Suthern' Comfort!

Don't worry tho.  He's as angry as a junkie wet hen without its killer methadone, but the Old Coot has been locked up for a while.

You stay clean now, ya hear?

Amen and bless you, my son.

[twiceain'tnice]

Yes, I tried to get some advice a couple of days ago and all I've been reading is controversy and I am thinking about bowing out of this forum.  When I went ct three weeks ago I got some help, but anything after I never even got a reply on any questions.  It seems there are a few here who have a personal thing going on that omits others need for help and makes one feel "less impotant".  Maybe they should e-mail each other?  Anyway, I have been clean for 3 weeks and have started having cravings.  I almost forgot wd and wanted to use but did not. I came here, but got No reply to questions of comments.  Hope someone else can get through.

[cosmicstargoat]

Thank you, Rachel.  I am a Goatee, a devotee of The Church of The Cosmic Star Goat, the one and only TRUE GOD.  Braise hir mane!

[RachelHunter]

i think that everyone's lack of respect for new members is horrifying. just because someone comes in with a different point of view regarding drugs (and it's morally right) is no reason to attack them and try to run them off the forum. i can tell that our new poster is a devout christian or muslim with strongly-held beliefs and some people can't handle it when judgement from up high comes to strike them down.

RH

[cosmicstargoat]

Thank you.  Congratulations on your insight, grasshopper.    Since you have trouble comprehending the drug situation, I'll use short words and sentences so that you will understand.

1985.  Methadone good.  Use much for cancer pain.  Dose q12h.  Here comes Purdue Frederick and their sales reps with[LONG HALF LIFE] MS Contin. No Accumulation!  No ceiling dose.  Wax matrix, so junkies can't abuse (HAH!)  Now Methadone bad and junkies pout.  Here comes the Duragesic Patch. Here comes Kadian.  Patch even longer duration, low abuse potential.  Junkies smoke patch.  HillBillies chew patch. Dilaudid remains the champagne of all narcotics.  MS Contin continues to control cancer pain market.  Purdue ponders nausea issue.

Fast forward to 1995.  Purdue Frederick becomes Purdue Pharma and intros Oxycontin.  Cannibalizes MS Contin AND EVERYONE ELSE IN THE PAIN MARKET.  Sales Reps push less nausea, NEW AND IMPROVED dual action acrylic polymer Contin delivery system THAT HAS LESS ABUSE POTENTIAL!  Addicts who try to inject will get pulmonary granulomas and DIE!  Doctors prescribe by the truckloads and sales approach SIX TIMES 1995 projected sales of over ONE BILLION DOLLARS.

Y2K AND BEYOND brings reality that addicts are crushing, snorting, chewing and injecting Oxycontin now heralded by hysterical news media as HillBilly Heroin and a menace to society.  Bad Purdue.  Bad Doctors.  Throw out baby with bath water.  

2003 doctors are terrified of Oxycontin and go back to prescribing Methadone for chronic pain.  Deaths from Methadone skyrocket.

Spin-Spin-Spin

Methadone is STILL a terrible drug to treat chronic pain.  Drug addicts are the problem, their behaviour and INABILITY TO GET THEMSELVES CLEAN BY RELYING ON A CRUTCH LIKE METHADONE hurts terribly LEGITIMATE patients who have LEGITIMATE PAIN.

Conclusion:  All drug addicts should be imprisioned/executed and Methadone should be removed from the market.

Now, is that clear enough for you, or do I need to have Barney exercise his uvula in your general direction?

Amen.

[rodewc]

It was either Day 5 or Day 6 'clean.' I tingled all over, was lucid and extremely happy. That day was better than any artificial high. I have had this feeling of elation (straight) a few times since, but lately when I have lain around having a pity party, I remember Day 5 (and subsequent natural highs)
rwc~

[rodewc]

nice to meet a grammar freak.. you will be elated to know that yr words *shld* read "a spellchecker crammed up *his ass*", or "a spellchecker crammed up *their asses*"

rwc~

[mrmichael67]

Judging from your post, you MUST be one of the more intelligent people on this planet.  That goes for educated, as well.  Just like the New York Times.  If someone abuses opioids, they might die.  That is a given.  What was your point?  I wasn't sure to whom this post should be addressed.  Is it cosmicstargoat, or expillman?  Most likely, potato-potahto.

[skipper]

Hey:
whats a spell checker? is it something ya'll use in propper company? as fo me bein a hillbilly can't...got no hills here...just flat land.... i guess i do qualify for white trash...is that ok?

as for those methadone worshiping whatevers....spend time in a clinic...try being compassionate

and where would you ever find space for that there spell checker up your ass...your head takes up all the available space.

keep an angel on your shoulder
kip

[Rick99]

Hey guys I was reading this post and its good to see, somethings never change... I have now been sober over 6 months and I have learned that no matter how much time passes, I will NEVER FORGET what I went through with drug abuse.  I spent a lot of time here before and it makes me feel good to see that this forum hasn't changed a bit.  Mr. Expillman found that out the hard way. haha, if you are reading this do not take offense, this forum has always had an aggressive personality, its a different animal here, you have to except that you are no better then anyone else...

[cosmicstargoat]

Golden.

Pillman is resting comfortable in his new home.  Ultram is just another Devil in de skys.  Get a package insert and read the paragraph under PHYSICAL DEPENDENCE AND ABUSE.  It reads:

SHOULD NOT BE USED IN OPIOID DEPENDENT PATIENTS

It will cause you to go into terrible withdrawers when you stop if you start.  Worse that overindulging in Texas BBQ.  Don't take it.  

Believe in Goat and his son Billy and you will be saved from drugs masquerading as alternatives to the drugs you crave.

Amen and good luck

[cosmicstargoat]

Well, you've been LUMPED.  Deal with it.  

What's all this hooey about METHADONE being safe?  Shoooot, boy, The New York City Times reported in February that Methadone is killing people right and left, worse than bad BBQ.  Don't you know that Methadone is just another synthetic opioid that JUNKIES are trying to sanitize and make respectable, just to keeep using?

Safe?  Oh, safe as used as directed.  Well, so is Oxy.  So is Dilaudid.  So be morphine.  It's safe until some junkhead grinds up a whole bunch of those pretty 200s and over-injects and dies.  

Methadone?  You're squabbling with Pillman {who has already made one excape attempt from the nursing home) about half-lives and you're still taking Methadone?

Devil and the Deep Blue, my son.  Believe in Goat and his BBQ and you will have the strength to unhook thyself from your Devil Drug Methadone.

Say Amen.  You know in your heart, Goat is right.

[hippy]

i have been at this fourm,
for a year and a half ,
i have been clean 13 months.
this is the 1st time i have written
something to someone that could  be
considered negitive. i am an addict
i have had to deal with low self esteem.
having a great big ego is nothing new to addicts
including myself
i do beleive all things happen for a reason.
so what ever made me post what i did,  im sure it was meant to be.

[mrmichael67]

First off to sturgill:Thomas never ran this board.  I don't know where that idea comes from.  To expillhead:  You shouldn't lump all together.  I have never robbed a pharmacy.  I am not geriatric.  ONE of the people who got on you is currently on methadone...only one. And, after the way you came in here like gangbusters, you pretty much had it coming.  After seeing the information on the "long half-life" drugs you mentioned, I couldn't help myself.  Before you go telling people about addiction and dependence, you might want to find out how they take their meds.  If they are taking 30 or 40 a day, then I would say that is irrelevant.  Oh yeah, I saw a few typos in your posts as well.  Spellcheck?  As far as who "runs" this board?  Besides the obvious two (Cindy and Phil), I thought everyone "ran" this board.  As far as this little blowout we had:  No one likes to be condescended to.  I just had to comment one more time in response to someone actually going to the level of calling people childish names.  Hey, let's just add insult to injury.  Why don't we?  Why don't we just move on?  This all isn't accomplishing anything.

[theGolden1]

Sounds like everyone's lost it ..... and that goes for the Xman too ... he is a bit upity, but I was waiting to hear his take on ultram .... and never happened. Oh well .... had some great laughs ... G

[AlexisInTx]

I've got this strange craving for BBQ'd possum right now.  That'd be mighty good - up yonder yesterday we un's did have a big ole BBQ and the whole family came.  Cousin Lou, cousin Fred (her hubby) and a whole bunch o' yung in's.

Anyhow, I'm an addict (not just one of those who are physiologically (or would that be just chemically?) dependant, but a straight-out addict) and I'm doing better.  Just wanted to post a message to Thomas and I think terter (?) -- sorry if I got the nick wrong, but the post down below that I wrote last week I did receive a response from Thomas and really appreciated the wisdom and advice as usual, you cool people you.  

I can see the forest through the trees (even with all of that damn barbeque smoke) now.  I'm feeling like I'm coming back to the land of the living, now onto a respectable (how ever respectable that can be) benzo taper (no opiates at this juncture) which will give me my life back, free of chemical dependancy (positive thinking).  But I'll always be dealing with addiction, that's the nature of the beast with me.  And I'm not going to feel as if I'm less of a person, because I beat myself up too much for feeling that way for way too long, which can lead down the wide path of least resistance -- taking more PK's.

I'm glad to read how well everyone is doing.  I do care a bunch about the lot of ya.  Honestly, I feel like this is the only place I can come to and express my honest feelings, and it's a great release/relief to be able to do so with others that do understand.  We'll be going to the beach soon, and I can't wait to swim with my puppy in the ocean.  Also, I've been working out a lot lately, so I'm planning on early morning jogs and looking at the beautiful sunrise in the morning that I always miss because I used to be in bed until late morning/early afternoon.

Sending out big waves to all...!

[MethMan]

Now SEE what your goat god did? It just scared somebody off.
Well, I happen to be from Texas.  And you're right.  The ranchers here would have nothing to do with goats.  Matter of fact, it's against the law to even back up to a fence to one much less barbecue it.
Now... on to this "anti-possum" rhetoric you've spoken about.  In about 15 minutes, PETA is gonna be knockin' at your door.  You're gonna have to come up with a story on why you're puttin' da possum down.  Greenpeace would have been there, but they're on the sand towing out a beached whale.  I suppose (given the chance and say 10 tons of charcoal) you'd grill that up too, wouldn't you?
Goat people.  They're all baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad.

[modoggirl]

i got on here lllate this evening hoping to find some positive thinking....what the HELL is this bbq ****? Its enough to make me use...thanks for the laugh guys and goodnight!

[cosmicstargoat]

Another Blast Pheemer!  

Anyway, you don't have to worry about Pillman criticizing your spelling anymore.  I had the old coot put away in a Nearby Nursing Home for Know it Alls.  He won't be back for a while.

How do I feel about Possum?  About the same way I feel about scabies, prickly heat, leaky colostomy bags, Injun underwear and Circus Peanuts, that's how I feel.

I'd rather go back into withdrawal than to characterize ANYTHING but the sacred pork as BBQ.  There is no such thing as BBQ beef, that is just a hallucination of those pathetic folks from TEXX-ASS who wouldn't know the difference between REAL BBQ and sheep tripe.  

BBQ Beef, indeed!

As for the Baptists, especially Deacon Fred over at Landover, all I can say is that they are worshiping the WRONG GOD.  

The One and Only True God is The Cosmic Star Goat.  Braise hir mane!  The Cosmic Star Goat gave hir only forgotten son, Billy to die on the wholly BBQ Pit for your sins.  Believe in Billy and be saved -or- be condemned to Stew in The Wholly Bile forever and forever.

Amen

[Thomas03]

Man, you're serious about your BBQ! If you're cookin, I'm there!

Ya know, BBQ is essentially our most primal dietary custom. I mean, aren't the ape-men in 2001 BBQing when that monolith shows up and buggers everything?

Thomas

[MethMan]

So... let me see....
Your BBQ post was an exceptional piece of work, albeit sacrilegious to the Baptists.  We eat at every gathering.  And none of it is pork.  Our scripture clearly reveals in Beeficus 3:34 that "No man nor woman shall consume the swine.  For swine was placed on this earth for no other but the Nation of Islam."
It can't get any clear than that, my friend.
Pork on a barbecue?  Next thing you'll tell us is Chicken tastes good with charcoal briquette cooking.  My GOD!  Is there no mercy to this?
Can we both come to some understanding here?  How do you feel about flame broiled posssum?

Peace,
Methman