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1483925 tn?1287895853

What can I take to lesson the withdrawals, not make them worse?

OMG! I tried to use remidies I purchased at the store, bananna's, apple juice, and Night Time Sleep aids pills-over the counter. I ate 3 bannana's, 3 glasses of apple juice and took 2 sleeping aid pills...(I have backed off my dosage of percocets as far as I can-requireing 1 10-650 every 8 hours instead of the doctors required 6 hours) Within 2 hours of my needed last dose of percocet, I was in pure raw agony, twitching and jittery, pacing and so uncomfortable, it felt like spiders were crawling over every inch of my skin. I didn't even feel any normal pain, I was so beyond feeling anything normal. I've never felt so miserable in my life!! Coming off of heroine as a teenager was kids stuff compared to this! When I started using percocet in place of morphine for my back pain, there was no real wd problem at all.

But this, I broke almost instantly and had to take 2 pills just to get rid of the feelings.
I don't think I can do this. I live alone in a very nice studio apartment with my pet Rat Terrier, and being alone seemed to make things worse. But, I don't have any family alive, nearby. I've no one to turn to, and all my friends do pills or pot, so I can't depend on any of them. In the past, pot helped alittle bit, when coming off of a drug like heroine or cocaine, but I am afraid to get some and try it for this, if it doesn't help, I've messed up my prescription and wont get percocets anymore at all!

God, how I wish I'd never have started this Pain Management in the first place! I could deal with the sweats, soreness of back and legs...its the nerves, sensitive skin, and jitters that drive me totally insane!
Its so bad, if I can't kick this I'm afraid of what I'll do. Its crazy, I know...for a guy once dubbed as "Mr. Invincible" in the ring, but damn, this has got to be the worst thing in the world to defeat!!!

I don't know what to do.

~~Gary
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617347 tn?1331293081
Ok...  :)  step by step

1) These products will help you with RLS ( night are a hell with RLS)  Hylands restful legs is the brand name of the product, ask for it because it is a very small bottle and sometimes it got overlooked. Same with Hylands cramps legs.

about number 5) Natural Calm , i think is a magnesium suplemment .... magnesium, calcium and potasium are minerals that will help you with muscle cramps and aches  and with RLS ( bananas and apple juice are rich on potasium and this is the reason they are recommended )

2) a good vitamin complex... and i would add a B's complex and vitamin C.

4) you will experience problems with sleep and anxiety, this is quite normal and i would  tell you that you will still have problems with sleep and anxiety  even if you are taking some stuff to help you . There is no magical pill to erase those wds symptoms but at least you can alleviate  them a litlle bit.... If you are not taking anything else apart from the percocets, we advice melatonin to help with sleep , it is non habit forming ( OTC ) along with valerian root ( this is a herb , so it is not a brand name, look for valerian root )... valerian is a help with anxiety too.

I have just remembered that there are some people that are taking supersnooze to help with sleep ...  and it has many of the ingredients that we are advising all in one so you could try this product... supersnooze to start with and see how you are feeling... maybe with the days , you will see if you need anything of the above.

5) Epsom salts are magnesium tablets... you will feel much better  after taking one of those hot baths with the salts, it is a temporary relieve but it is one good one :)


so.... i would  start with the  Supersnooze (  i think the brand is  "puritan's pride " ), the vitamin complex and the B's complex and vitamin C,  , maybe the valerian root cause i feel you are already quite nervous and the epsom salts along with immodium ( diarrhea ) and advil ........ keep eating as much bananas as you can, the apple juice, some gatorades....

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dose this really start on the fifth day I had my last on sunday
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what an idiot, hurt myself again, got back on pain meds for the pain, got an mri, 6 discs messed up still, 2 ruptured, 2 bulging and 2 the bone if touching the nerves and sending pain all the way down my legs, into my hips and knees, can't sleep at all for the pain, so got back on norcos... also have a root canal killing me... so though, okay will take these for a bit to get a break from the pain... well we all know where that got me... it got me to the norcos, then they quit working so they gave me morphine, which I took a few times as I was really worried about it, and then the doc prescribed me fentynal patches.... on screw that !!! no way am I getting on that, and the other does not even phase me now... to tolerant to it all...so.... I got totally disgusted and just said I'm done, and going CT again of norcos and morphine.  was not on that much morph that long so basically coming of norcos and some morph....

here I am again, reading my previous withdrawl posts on here and this time seems worse... I'll have 24 hours in at 10:30 pm , a little over 2 hours, and I am already deep into some wicked withdrawls... I hate to even think what it will be like before the 72 hours is up... but I'm right at a 3rd of the way through.  I'll just try for the 24 hour mark then know I do that 2 more times and I  have day 3 behind me.  ugh.  I hate this....

I have got to find a way to deal with pain without narcotics...

anyone else having this problem of surgery after surgery of bad discs etc or horrendouse tooth aches and keep getting back on this stuff?  there HAS to be a way to STAY off this stuff.  It is totally ruining my whole life. grrrrr
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just thought I would drop by and say this is day 23.  

SOOOOOOOOOO glad I got through this mess and clear headed and off those stupid norcos.  Pain from my back and neck is bad but I don't care...I am NOT going to take norcos.  I know they won't work anyway, and I would just end up taking more and more and be addicted again grrr.  

reading back through this thread now ... omg... I do not want to go through that ever again.  Done it too many times.  I think every time I ever forget what hell it is getting off this stuff, I'll just come read through this thread again.  

don't know if you read here any more Gary, but hope all is well and you are doing good, and still off the pills.  I am sure you are.

I hope for everyone on this forum who is getting off meds, that your withdrawls come along quickly and all goes well.  it might seem like hell for a few days or ever a couple of weeks, but sure is worth it once you are off this stuff.  

good luck everyone, hang in there and you'll get through it.  

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1483925 tn?1287895853
So glad to hear the positive things that are being said by us, my heart goes out to each and everyone of you. I'd have never made it, unless you guys gave me the help you have.

I went to a regular doctor today and did a physical, had the resident chiropractor give me some help, and pretty much came out ok.
He was able to clear up one thing for me. See I love salt so much I add it to nearly everything... when I started drinking large amounts of V8 juice, about 64 bottle aday-the salt I was adding to make it taste so godd, allowed the good stuff from the juice to help me, but dehydrated me too, being I was urinating so frequently. Lesson learned, stay away from salt in large quantities when going through cold turkey with drawals.
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hi, everything is going okay here.

went to sleep about 11:30 pm, woke up at 2:00 am, stayed up til 3:30 am, back to sleep til 7:30 am.. So that is good.  

I feel the pains setting in from injuries, but the withdrawls are totally gone now.  Just weak and worn out, but walking my mile, and going to start uping that soon.  The thing I am going to have to remember is no stupid stuff to hurt myself.  It's the pain or injuries and surgery that gets me every dang time.  So plan is lots of physical therapy for all these injuries,

glad to see things are getting back to normal for you... whooo-hooooo... we are in SOOOOOO much better shape now than we were at the beginning of this thread...

husband is totally through w/d too... He has a lot of pain issues too, but no more pill scripts for either of us... NO MORE... this has went on WAY TOO LONG over the years. We are just going to have to quit doing stuff that kills our backs and necks.  

Sun is out shining and I'm going outside, walk with the dogs and just listen to the birds and be glad this crap is over.

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1483925 tn?1287895853
There's not a big time difference... at your 2:00 PM it was 9:25 AM EST or so. But good to have response and hope other much needed sleep at the same time... LOL
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The good thing of living across the ocean on another continent is that i am up when everybody else is sleeping :) here it is 2:00 pm ....you really sound better, gary
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Hey, glad you were up. I needed to see someone show up, was kinda mikssing our little chatter sessions. Its really been an integral part of my recovery. Without it< I can only assume it'd been 10 times worse, if not impossible. At first it seemed impossible, remember?
To me at least.

~Gary
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wow... you are doing much better even mentally and this is a gift , gary ... enjoy it :)

hope you have a great day today !!!
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1483925 tn?1287895853
12 hours later...

Yea, everythings nearly back to normal. I mean, I've been taking Tylenol and A daily Multi Vitamin for men, walking driving, pretty much the things that lead back to a productive life. I've even considered starting up my own Dojo again. Just because I might have a problem performing some of the more complicated moves, doesn't mean I forgot how execute it perfectly. All things considered, I believe I could start an advanced class for specialist fighters. Tou, with the proper assistant to teach my moves to, who can then demonstrate for class inspection of a complicated move. Its a very retro idea for me, but its not a close dream. There'd be a multitude of obstacles in front of that dream.
Anyways, I'm doing ok. I am just getting better day by day, and looking forward to tomorrow...for the first time in a while.
Where is everyone at?


Checkin in, and present,
Gary
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1483925 tn?1287895853
Here. I drove to Athens TN (McMinn County), picked up phil right after church, went out to nice romantic dinner, at Las Margarita's. Took her home, in my truck, dropped her of, came home and my feet were aching!
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day 6 will begin for me in 3 hours; so 5 hours for you.  

I ate the turkey sandwich last night, along with water, yogurt and orange juice, I went to sleep and did not get back up til 5.  I had woke up from actual neck and back pain between then but went right back to sleep... at 5 I had to get up and move cuz my neck and back pain are setting in pretty dang bad.  but then went right back to sleep and slept til 7:30... so I ended up with a lot of sleep.  This morning when I did get up I felt rested as if I really had slept for once.  

Went out and walked 1 mile.  Ate soup, yogurt, decaf coffee(I need to quit that too though) and now drinking water.  Actually, if it were not for my "injuries" pain, I think I am fine.  A little weak, but hopefully after today I'll be able to sleep all night or most of it, and then get this over with.  

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I slept for an hour, an hour and a half at a time, the sensitive skin has allowed that much, truly I believe the worst is behind me. I remember when I was a teen ager, my first addiction...Once the 5th day, it ended almost as quickly as it came upon me. This is not the same, but it is ending.
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Good that you are taking care with not being dehydrated again... vitamin water sounds well :) i have also read somewhere here that some people drank coconut water , it has electrolytes, magnesium, potassium, calcium...eat fruit also, it has a lot of water too..watermelon..

you sound better, gary ! :)
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Good that you are taking care with not being dehydrated again... vitamin water sounds well :) i have also read somewhere here that some people drank coconut water , it has electrolytes, magnesium, potassium, calcium...eat fruit also, it has a lot of water too..watermelon..

you sound better, gary ! :)
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I hope you are sleeping; I'm not...grrrr... tried to sleep, think made it an hour.  Back up.  
It's midnight.  I'm halfway through day 5.  
Going to have orange juice, water, some more yogurt... I don't think I can deal with a banana again,, gag....

I'd like to just jog but don't want to wake up husband..Of course he just sleeps away.  I just do not get how he does this LOL

well just thought I would check in so if you ended up wide awake you would know I'm not sleeping yet either.... but hopefully YOU ARE sleeping.

I'll go eat and see if I can get sleepy.  I bought some turkey.  hmmm, think I will go eat a turkey sandwich.  Maybe that will help me sleep...
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1483925 tn?1287895853
Gotcha, I drink V8 juice, got some more apple juice, and some of the new vitamin drinks by Glaceau...Vitamin Water. I drink milk too, got some of the Silk...it says it has 50% more calsium in it than regular milk.  I been drinking it with hot chocolate. I think I got the dehidration thing covered this time, and I'm adjsting the room temp alittle cooler.
Going to try to lay down for awhile, I just had me a long walk.

See ya in a bit.
Gary
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btw...to check for dehydration.  pinch your skin together on your hands... if your skin tends to stick together before releasing, you are getting dehydrated... I think the pharmacy carries electrolyte solutions or freezer pops for this.
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so what do you usually drink to stay hydrated?  You don't want to get dehydrated again.  Maybe you should drink some gatorade or something with electrolytes.  Something... weak hot chocolate?  but that has some caffiene... hmmmm... how about decaf coffee.  I drink that and does not seem to bother me.
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Thanks dear, I'm assuming basicly the same thing. I did sleep alot last night, and got a few more hours today, it seems that the wd's come on stronger when  you sleep and wake up, so I'm not going to push for sleep, just rest in my office chair. Phyllis went home, she said she'd call tonight, and see me tomorrow. She really is a doll. I guess it was wrong to break up with her just because she takes pain meds too, I'm stronger than that, and she's promised me she'll not allow her meds to entice me. I'm not even desiring pain relief actually, I just want this to be over and get back to normal. I tried water earlier, nothings changed, it made me gag
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hi Gary.  

this rls stuff can last awhile, and the no sleep can too.  The worst I ever experienced was I did not sleep from day one for 12 days.  I thought I would absolutely die, but that is when then had me on oxy and had started me on methadone(thank god I decided to quit a few days later.  

this time and other times with norcos, usually the rls and no sleep last till about the 6-7 day... and each day after the 72 hours I would get a little more sleep each day... 1-2 hrs at a time... following right along on schedule here with the 1-2 hrs..but very early this morning got an extra 2 1/2 hours sleep, so I think the sleep is kicking in.  

Just rode along to the store a little while ago and by the time I got home, I am tired out, but not sleepy, my legs were bothering me in the car, but other than that I am doing okay.  You should be following along soon.  Mainly we just have to give it time for the sleep to kick in.  

I do find I am getting adrenline surges but I think that is from the cortisone shot I got in my shoulder almost 2 weeks ago.  I would think by tonight you should be getting some more sleep and hopefully tomorrow will be pretty dang good.

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Thanks Gnarly, I'm feeling much better knowing someone else had simuliar wd side affects. My problem, so I've been informed is not drinking enough fluids-water, I cannot plain drink water because it gags me, and so that may have been my problem, or at least part of it.

I had falsely assumed that it was behind me, but I guess it was the stuff they pumped in to me in the hospital. So, I'm still alittle jittery and basicly miserable, but not nearly as bad as it was.

Thanks for the words of comfort and I'll keep posting for anyone who finds help in my posts.

Gary
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Ok, I can read between the lines, very well. I am slightly 'Angered' by what I read. Yes, Phil and I have been together about 5 or 6 years, and I would assume we have simuliar traits in most cases, but in no way... NO WAY, was anything said that was untrue or falsely posted! I read her post, and it sounded kinda mixed up abit, but its Phil. My honesty is like my crest of arms. I've no reason to lie to anyone, I'm not getting a reward or title for any of this. Nor any other kinda gain! This is about as reprimanding and 'mean' as I'm allowed to be to a woman, due to my mothers upbringing of me. Hopefully is is enough, I never speak so bluntly to a woman, it is not in my nature to do so.

But, assuming I'm reading abit more into this than there is-which is but fair to those you've led to believe otherwise with your last post...I'll answer your questions...

1. I haven't the slightest what was pumped into my IV, nor do I know what kinda IV it was. It was a clear bag, hanging over me, and was into my hand, rather than my arm. Thats about all I can tell you about that.

2. The reason for discharging me, As I remember, I started raising hell from the moment I awoke, until the moment I began to dress after ripping the IV outa my arm and stating rather pointedly... "I wont start this **** again!"  When I speak to someone in that tone, very few people can look into my eyes without knowing I'm going to get what I want or someone else is going to feel pain! I've practivced the 'looks' over the years and pretty much made it an art form.

3. The doctor assured me there was no pain medicine given to me thru IV because of what I had told them in the emergency room upon admittance, just medicine to help me rest/sleep. The conversations between him, me, and the nurses were abit more dramatic and involved than I wrote, but then again, I was raised never to be offensive or foul mouthed to ladies, so I shortened alot of it.

4. Sewer stop...She ask about stopping at an over night pharmacy as we were on our way home, and I seen the sewer ahead as we were at the light... Therefore when she was ask to stop, I merely walked about 10 feet to the sewer.

5. Evidently I mispoke myself earlier and falsely assumed this was all behind me, I guess it was the stuff put into my IV, I'm back to jittery RSL again, not as bad as before, but runny nose and sweats are here too.

I doubt it is going to be as bad, because of the legth of my detox having been 4 days of this...merely my body trying one last attempt to break me and get the 'goodies', not a chance though. As I told the doctor last night, I'm not going through this again!

Hopefullly, I've not upset you with my statements, but it kinda bothered me that you assumed some type of charade.

As for tests done, blood work, EKG, EEG and whatever else I do not know.

Gary
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HEY Gary good to see you out of the hospital and up and fighting again....force the fluids
even more sow then you have been dehydration can do that to you we had another girl
go threw something similar from dehydration hopefuly thats all it was im glad you dident give up the fight your really close to making it out of this mess hang in there bro you got this
good luck and God bless......Gnarly  
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