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Someone please give me some good advice....I am seriously addicted to opiates and I think I have finally hit rock bottom. I have been on narcotics for 4 years now. I have degenerative arthritis and just had diskogram done several months ago and found out I have a tear in the fibers around L5-S1 and the center nucleous is leaking out...(herniated disk). I am a patient at a pain clinic and am now on Methadone. My doc wants me to have an IDET but my insurance wont cover it and I think I am too young for a fusion...Im not even 30 yet and really couldnt afford the surgery anyway. For the past year I have been going through the cycle of running out of meds early and trying to figure out how to get more to get me through. Recently I was involved in a car wreck...well it was a road rage incident....guy with big stuffed duck tied to front end of flatbed utility truck ran me off the road passing me, i blew horn and he slammed on brakes and reversed into me causing 5,000 dollars damage to my car...broke my husbands foot and then he waited for cops to get there....needless to say I have been in extremem pain since then...I took extra methadone( I only take 30mg per day), so I ran out. My brother just had back surgery and he was taking percocet....he had a refill of vicodin left at the drug store and I called it in and picked it up.. I really didnt think he was using it anymore, and he wasnt, but he ran out of his percocet early and tried to get his refill just 4 days after I had already picked it up. I know I really screwed up, and he knows the truth now b.c I told him...he was mad but understood that I was desperate...going through withdrawels for 3 days and in pain and knew I could get my meds for 5 more days....the problem is now his workers comp is involved and is filling a police report. I am wondering if anyone has been through this kind of thing before.....I am hoping that by the grace of GOD that I wont be recognized on the surveillence tapes at the store. The pharmacy told him whoever picked it up cam in the store so they will be going through the tapes with the police soon....I didnt really go in the store, I went through the drive-thru not in my car and with dark shades on....the store doesn'thave camerras that show tag numbers, just the car through the window...I am hoping that because I was driving a super-raised truck that they wont be able to identify me...and my brother isnt either......PLease give any advice you can..... I know I messed up, but I am really a nice person, loving mom, devote Christian, but I gave in to a weakness and know I am so truely ashamed. My husband doesnt know how bad my provblem is. What should I do???????
Thanks for any advice.
HElp_me_im_drowing!!!!! And i dont want to go to federal prison....
Thanks for any advice.
HElp_me_im_drowing!!!!! And i dont want to go to federal prison....
Well now... you have to keep in mind that while harsh, he is right. Perhaps it's not how I would have said it, but if you look further on, she ironically acknowledges most of what he says.
I gave a literal answer, how to try to make a bad situation go away. Maybe it helped, maybe it didn't. But he told her some hard cold truths. The only thing I'd say is perhaps if he'd couched it in "nicer" terms, she may have listened. Or maybe not. *shrug*. No one likes a swift kick in the *ss. It's embarassing and humiliating, But sometimes it's just what a person needs.
The good thing about it, is she got a wonderful variety of answers. When I read this thread, I see different views and expressions, and she can learn what she needs from every single one. If she chooses to.
I gave a literal answer, how to try to make a bad situation go away. Maybe it helped, maybe it didn't. But he told her some hard cold truths. The only thing I'd say is perhaps if he'd couched it in "nicer" terms, she may have listened. Or maybe not. *shrug*. No one likes a swift kick in the *ss. It's embarassing and humiliating, But sometimes it's just what a person needs.
The good thing about it, is she got a wonderful variety of answers. When I read this thread, I see different views and expressions, and she can learn what she needs from every single one. If she chooses to.
seriously man...just give up now. Nothing is going to make him believe he is wrong about anything. So just do what I've done and concentrate on giving good advice to people when/if you can.
You know what, You make me SICK. You tell this poor, scared woman "You steal from your brother, how sick is that..." (oh, and what is it with all the ........'s in your posts. You need that long of a pause to think of what you are going to say? Its annoying. You are annoying. You do have this 'know-it-all way about yourself and let me be the first to tell you dude, YOU DON'T.
You make her feel more guilty about something she is already so guilty about she is practically hysterical. Nice, dude. Really nice. And I am sick of you telling every addict that posts here that they ''need to get into inpatient rehab''. Oh, Bull$hit! Matter of factly, most opiate addicts do not need inpatient rehabs. Detoxing can be done at home, and it takes about 3 days (oh, but I am sure you already know all about it, mr. know it all) to physically withdraw. What do you do for a living, anyway?? Work for some rehabilitation facility? Geez, dude----oneway is right....get over yourself, and stop kicking others when they are already down. Because, to be honest----if an addict was thinking about inpatient rehab, and you were the poster child of what to expect in the support groups there, it would probably turn them off of the idea to enter. There's a time for tough love, and there's also a time for compassion. You need to learn which is which.
Peace out
You make her feel more guilty about something she is already so guilty about she is practically hysterical. Nice, dude. Really nice. And I am sick of you telling every addict that posts here that they ''need to get into inpatient rehab''. Oh, Bull$hit! Matter of factly, most opiate addicts do not need inpatient rehabs. Detoxing can be done at home, and it takes about 3 days (oh, but I am sure you already know all about it, mr. know it all) to physically withdraw. What do you do for a living, anyway?? Work for some rehabilitation facility? Geez, dude----oneway is right....get over yourself, and stop kicking others when they are already down. Because, to be honest----if an addict was thinking about inpatient rehab, and you were the poster child of what to expect in the support groups there, it would probably turn them off of the idea to enter. There's a time for tough love, and there's also a time for compassion. You need to learn which is which.
Peace out
Try not to be so hard on yourself. Today's attitudes have created a whole group of "socially proper" addicts. The old view of the addict as a dirty, uneducated chasing-drugs-on-the-street person is a classic and no longer fits in today's society.
The changes in how pain management, insurance coverage, and drug control are dealt with are making a country of husbands, mothers, daughters and sons who go to church, temple, got to PTA, go to the office, put the kids down at night, and take highly addictive medications on a daily basis.
Social attitudes haven't caught up.
The best thing you can do is find like people, and share your experiences. Be it NA, or whatever form you choose.
You should also try to research your insurance's website, and any related material on your condition (both addiction and back). Don't just accept what your "clinic" tells you.
I'm going to say something contradictory to the NA message (well, I don't think it is, but some say it is).
You have to start taking control of the information your taking in. Look into what's truth, what's a half truth, or an outright lie. Most pain management people are caught up in a snare of insurance policy problems, doctor regulation problems, and government Law on treatment problems. It's hell. If you aren't already, take a more proactive approach in all this. Research law and policy carefully. You'd be surprised at the loopholes you can find.
And of course, deal with your addiction during all this. You'll find that the above will impact positively on it, if it goes well.
The changes in how pain management, insurance coverage, and drug control are dealt with are making a country of husbands, mothers, daughters and sons who go to church, temple, got to PTA, go to the office, put the kids down at night, and take highly addictive medications on a daily basis.
Social attitudes haven't caught up.
The best thing you can do is find like people, and share your experiences. Be it NA, or whatever form you choose.
You should also try to research your insurance's website, and any related material on your condition (both addiction and back). Don't just accept what your "clinic" tells you.
I'm going to say something contradictory to the NA message (well, I don't think it is, but some say it is).
You have to start taking control of the information your taking in. Look into what's truth, what's a half truth, or an outright lie. Most pain management people are caught up in a snare of insurance policy problems, doctor regulation problems, and government Law on treatment problems. It's hell. If you aren't already, take a more proactive approach in all this. Research law and policy carefully. You'd be surprised at the loopholes you can find.
And of course, deal with your addiction during all this. You'll find that the above will impact positively on it, if it goes well.
Please review steps 5 - 12 of AA... You need to LIVE these rightnow and forever in order to heal. You're already halfway there by believeing and trusting in God (supposedly). God less you and your family.
Admitted to God, to ourselves and to another human being the exact nature of our wrongs.
Were entirely ready to have God remove all these defects of character.
Humbly asked Him to remove our shortcomings.
Made a list of all persons we had harmed, and became willing to make amends to them all.
Made direct amends to such people wherever possible, except when to do so would injure them or others.
Continued to take personal inventory and when we were wrong promptly admitted it.
Sought through prayer and meditation to improve our conscious contact with God, as we understood Him, praying only for knowledge of His will for us and the power to carry that out.
Having had a spiritual awakening as the result of these steps, we tried to carry this message to alcoholics, and to practice these principles in all our affairs.
Admitted to God, to ourselves and to another human being the exact nature of our wrongs.
Were entirely ready to have God remove all these defects of character.
Humbly asked Him to remove our shortcomings.
Made a list of all persons we had harmed, and became willing to make amends to them all.
Made direct amends to such people wherever possible, except when to do so would injure them or others.
Continued to take personal inventory and when we were wrong promptly admitted it.
Sought through prayer and meditation to improve our conscious contact with God, as we understood Him, praying only for knowledge of His will for us and the power to carry that out.
Having had a spiritual awakening as the result of these steps, we tried to carry this message to alcoholics, and to practice these principles in all our affairs.
Although Beach CAN be harsh, he's right. Your thoughts and fears and prayers are based on not getting caught. Perhaps if you looked at what the situation REALLY is and prayed for HELP from God to get CLEAN and start getting HONEST withyourself and your husband who you are joined to BY GOD, you will receive the outcome you're looking for.
God is NOT Santa Claus. Ask him to heal you and take your addiction away and ask him for the strength to talk and confide in your husband and to be a mother to your children and maybe after then HE will see that you are not caught and punished. We can all say "Dear God, if you just get me out of this jam I promise to......" but that doesn't mean we will make any real changes.
Ask yourself what you want out of life. Maybe this is the wake up call you really need to make some major changes. Maybe God saw the direction you were going and decided to intervene!!
I REALLY WOULD RATHER DIE THAN GO THROUGH GETTING CAUGHT...PLEASE ANYONE WHO CAN PRAY FOR ME......PRAY FOR MY BROTHER...WHO BY THE WAY IS ALSO AN ADDICT WHO HAS STOLEN PAIN MEDS FROM ME ALSO....
For a mother to say that she would rather DIE than go through getting caught is beyond addcitive behavior, it's selfish. Get a grip. Make haste in changing your life, GET HONEST, and worry about getting caught AFTERWARDS! You're mentioning your brother at the end and saying he is also an addict is just the addict in you trying to justify your behavior, Nowhere in your posts have I heard that you want a chang, only that you don't want to get caught. Well, maybe getting caught is your bottom and the only way you WILL and CAN change.
You're in my prayers regardless. God will fix this the way He sees fit and as a Christian you need to trust in that. Marcatj is right, Let Go annd Let Go. What's done is done. The only thing you can change right now is you! I wish you luck!!
God is NOT Santa Claus. Ask him to heal you and take your addiction away and ask him for the strength to talk and confide in your husband and to be a mother to your children and maybe after then HE will see that you are not caught and punished. We can all say "Dear God, if you just get me out of this jam I promise to......" but that doesn't mean we will make any real changes.
Ask yourself what you want out of life. Maybe this is the wake up call you really need to make some major changes. Maybe God saw the direction you were going and decided to intervene!!
I REALLY WOULD RATHER DIE THAN GO THROUGH GETTING CAUGHT...PLEASE ANYONE WHO CAN PRAY FOR ME......PRAY FOR MY BROTHER...WHO BY THE WAY IS ALSO AN ADDICT WHO HAS STOLEN PAIN MEDS FROM ME ALSO....
For a mother to say that she would rather DIE than go through getting caught is beyond addcitive behavior, it's selfish. Get a grip. Make haste in changing your life, GET HONEST, and worry about getting caught AFTERWARDS! You're mentioning your brother at the end and saying he is also an addict is just the addict in you trying to justify your behavior, Nowhere in your posts have I heard that you want a chang, only that you don't want to get caught. Well, maybe getting caught is your bottom and the only way you WILL and CAN change.
You're in my prayers regardless. God will fix this the way He sees fit and as a Christian you need to trust in that. Marcatj is right, Let Go annd Let Go. What's done is done. The only thing you can change right now is you! I wish you luck!!
I think I have found my soul-mate. You know, I do know that I am indeed an ADDICT. LEt me tell you, when I first posted this this question it was for all the wrong reasons. I hadnt really told my Step-brother yet. I just wanted to get an idea if I would in fact get caught. I have had many thoughts about how wrond this is....and had even picked up the phone several times to call my brother and just tell him everything but until this morning...I never did. Over this weekend though I have finally, I think, gotten control. See I started snorting my methadone, because I thought it would work better.....I honestly do have severe pain in my back, but until now, I havent decided to go back to a surgeon because, for one, I already still owe one orthopeadic surgeon over 1200 dollars still for 2 years worth of treatment and them never finding the problem in my back....I am now a patient at a pain clinic...they are the one who did a discogram and found that I have these tears in my L5- and L6-S1 vertebres (i have 6 instead of 5) and that they are herniated....they want to do an IDET but my insurance wont pay for it...I have asked them if surgery was an option but they just say...you can go to a surgeon if you want but they wont touch your back.....my step-brother who I took the pills from has the same problem...literely...L5-S1 tears and he just had a fusion......All the pain clinic docs want to do is giving me pain pills, i guess until BCBS wants to pay for the IDET.....like you I also have been stealing pain pills from people for a long time now...my family, my friends, my mom...my husband...the list goes on...but my husband is a control freak, he is verbally abusive and he would be disgusted if he knew the extint of my ADDICTION....I have been praying all weekend about what to do and I finally saw the light when I would snort a methadone, then say to myself....I am not snorting ANYMORE....then 30mins later I was saying just one more.....and all the time I am having this crazy conversation with myself that thats the last one....and I realize that I am no longer in CONTROL......I called my brother this morning and told him I really needed to talk.....he is meeting me at lunch today at 12:30 and I am going to tell him everything...I love him and we are very close and I just pray that this doesn't ruin our relationship. I will never tell my husband (unless I do get caught) and I still hope and pray I dont get caught.. I believe that my brother will help me get away with it if we can....we just have to come up with a good story...I will say I put it on his porch or something and it must have got gone....I am sure that I will be able to pay Workmans Comp back without it being too much of a deal.....Mabey I am still out of line here, but I do WANT to be able to get away with this so that I can go on and have the back surgery to take care of the pain, then I WILL get help to get clean. I KNOW I AM AN ADDICT AND RIGHT NOW I AM ALSO A SORRY SELFISH CORRUPT PERSON. I DO NOT LIKE WHO I AM AND MY CHILDREN DESERVE BETTER. I AM GOING TO BEAT THIS....ALSTHOUGH I WILL NEED ALOT OF HELP ALONG THE WAY. I hope I can count on the people in this forum to help. i have seen so many great posts and i hope you can also accept me into this wonderful place.....one question. What is the Thomas recipe?
There are so many posts that I might repeat some of the things that have been said.
First, have you considered talking with your physician about your use of opiates? Have you considered seeking detox or treatment? Are you even at the point where you can honestly admit that you have a problem? Because you do have a problem. Normal people do not steal pain pills.
I know this because I will steal a pain pill from anyone, no matter who, because I am an ADDICT. I constantly steal from my mother when I run out, because I am an ADDICT. I do not feel guilt for the doctors I lie to to get my opiates because I am an ADDICT. Sometimes I have a rational thought that it is insane that I have five different physicians and five different pharmacies from which I am getting my pills but that thought does not last long because I am an ADDICT and must feed my ADDICTION.
Like you, drowning, I am a loving mother, regularly attend mass, live in a nice house, my children go to private school, I have a masters degree, and I am killing myself because I am an ADDICT. Few of my friends know and my neighbors would be shocked.
Over the past three years I have been in treatment three times and each time my husband (no ex-husband) clearly made it known how disgusted he found my addiction to be. So I know all about hiding and worrying about being caught, so on and so on. Recovery from an addiction is a process and right now your fears are understandable. Instead of me praying for you that you "don't get caught" I would like to pray that you begin to see that you are living the life of an addict and that you will seek the help you need despite your fear of reprisal from your husband. Because, believe me, this will not be the first negative consequence you will have if you continue to abuse pain pills.
I just came across this board this morning. I need to detox and formulate a good recovery plan. I have been addicted to opiates for five years and know this disease is going to kill me if I don't stop.
First, have you considered talking with your physician about your use of opiates? Have you considered seeking detox or treatment? Are you even at the point where you can honestly admit that you have a problem? Because you do have a problem. Normal people do not steal pain pills.
I know this because I will steal a pain pill from anyone, no matter who, because I am an ADDICT. I constantly steal from my mother when I run out, because I am an ADDICT. I do not feel guilt for the doctors I lie to to get my opiates because I am an ADDICT. Sometimes I have a rational thought that it is insane that I have five different physicians and five different pharmacies from which I am getting my pills but that thought does not last long because I am an ADDICT and must feed my ADDICTION.
Like you, drowning, I am a loving mother, regularly attend mass, live in a nice house, my children go to private school, I have a masters degree, and I am killing myself because I am an ADDICT. Few of my friends know and my neighbors would be shocked.
Over the past three years I have been in treatment three times and each time my husband (no ex-husband) clearly made it known how disgusted he found my addiction to be. So I know all about hiding and worrying about being caught, so on and so on. Recovery from an addiction is a process and right now your fears are understandable. Instead of me praying for you that you "don't get caught" I would like to pray that you begin to see that you are living the life of an addict and that you will seek the help you need despite your fear of reprisal from your husband. Because, believe me, this will not be the first negative consequence you will have if you continue to abuse pain pills.
I just came across this board this morning. I need to detox and formulate a good recovery plan. I have been addicted to opiates for five years and know this disease is going to kill me if I don't stop.
Your all about recovery. I don't know most of the time BASED on your posts you seem like your just about giving advice because it heightens your self esteem, could be wrong hope I am. Where is my post to her well that was defending her from your tirades of implying that she is a bad person and should feel guilt and shame when she already does. She is in a state where she probably can't stand up for herself because she already feels so low so I stood up for her. Get off the computer sometimes and exercise see the fresh air. Not being mean but giving you tough love just like you right.
Me being narrowminded AHAHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHHAHHAHAA. but look at yourself. You refuse to ever aknowledge that your post are ever negative you narrow minded fool. Oh you keep calling her a THEIF when she is already feeling bad. Kick a dog while its down your real stand up. Yo truth be told I'm a THEIF I was straight up robbing dudes with guns and use to be bring terror to neighborhoods I'm definetly not proud of this but its funny because a guy that a lot of people see as uncompassionate has way more compassion then your wanna be father figure phony leader self does. Yo man you talk about how you been through all this and that and seen it all that sounds like bs to me. Because if you were involved with a hardcore addiction you would understand that people ALWAYS LIE and would be a lot more understanding. you talk about being ashamed of lifestyles and thats why we lie, yo we lie to get drugs. Now your making up stupid points just to defend what you said. Dude you need to go out and do something besides this forum. You talk about you been through all this hardcore stuff that sounds kind of fishy to me because most people who really been through a lot are a lot more humble then you are. You talk about: OH I was anhonest man and took my sentence. What did you do six months to a year you want a cookie now. Your the man, you know it all, you are the king of recovery, we should all listen to the jesus of recovery beachtowel. Honestly get over yourself.
What state did this occur in as it varies state by state as far as felony versus misdemenor.
Example: in connecticut it is a misdemenor. That why you should mention what state your in, If its Florida it is a felony. Could your brother just be trying to scare you, I know a case with a husband and wife. The husband later came forward and said to the pharmacist I did'nt know my wife had picked it up for him, It is all up to you brother right, when the police report is made out if ever your brother just has to say a family member picked it up for me which is not against the law on class 3 drugs. I think your over reacting because you are so caught up in the quilt of your inappropriate drug use. You are in pain management you should be honest w/ the dr and tell them the current drug regimine is not approriate for your pain level. It is not unusual for pain management patients to build a tolerance to their medication. The job of the pain specialist is to treat your pain. unless there is more to the story. The methadone has a long half life, Now tell me the vicodin actually did anything for you. I know you didnt get high on it , maybe you did 30 is a low dose. Ask him to double you dose to 60 that 30 is no longer holding you.
Example: in connecticut it is a misdemenor. That why you should mention what state your in, If its Florida it is a felony. Could your brother just be trying to scare you, I know a case with a husband and wife. The husband later came forward and said to the pharmacist I did'nt know my wife had picked it up for him, It is all up to you brother right, when the police report is made out if ever your brother just has to say a family member picked it up for me which is not against the law on class 3 drugs. I think your over reacting because you are so caught up in the quilt of your inappropriate drug use. You are in pain management you should be honest w/ the dr and tell them the current drug regimine is not approriate for your pain level. It is not unusual for pain management patients to build a tolerance to their medication. The job of the pain specialist is to treat your pain. unless there is more to the story. The methadone has a long half life, Now tell me the vicodin actually did anything for you. I know you didnt get high on it , maybe you did 30 is a low dose. Ask him to double you dose to 60 that 30 is no longer holding you.
Very well said.
Just wanted to welcome you to the forum, and congrats on your decision!
Best wishes;
Tracy
Just wanted to welcome you to the forum, and congrats on your decision!
Best wishes;
Tracy
This is my first posting so bear with me a little. Most important is you are a Christian,Everthing els ewill for in place.as a christian myself and also a vicoden user since a BAAAAD wreck in 1992.I am in a lot of pain and also have the same problems like all of you. I am getting ready for my WD now but I know God puts us in these situation to make us stroger and closer to HIM I will pray for you
Papa2
Papa2
I agree that if she has no priors, and does get caught if she asks for help, they may cut her a break. I thought about that too.
Well either way, I hope it all works out, and she gets the help she needs..
Peace All!
Well either way, I hope it all works out, and she gets the help she needs..
Peace All!
If you do get into trouble and admit to the judge that you have a problem (and you have no other prior legal problems) he might cut you a break and send you to treatment, especially if you tell him you want to get sober.
Beach towel- calling her sick and a thief is really un-called for. You can go on and on about how your so blunt and truthful, but saying that **** doesn't achieve anything does it? None of the 12 steps say to call a fellow addict any names. In fact, they condone that. I'm really starting to wonder what kind of home group you are attending?
Beach towel- calling her sick and a thief is really un-called for. You can go on and on about how your so blunt and truthful, but saying that **** doesn't achieve anything does it? None of the 12 steps say to call a fellow addict any names. In fact, they condone that. I'm really starting to wonder what kind of home group you are attending?
I think that b/c the time that has passed, her brother probably thinks it is too late to say that. By now they would wonder what took you so long to "remember" that. Know what I mean?
B/c I was thinking the same thing, but the amount of time since the meds were picked up, workmans comp filed a complaint, and before that her brother had to. So, for him to say that now probably would raise some eyebrows. Then again, if he isn't willing to press charges why would anyone else. That is unless, the workman's comp covered a replacement prescription. Then they will not drop the issue I doubt.
I don't know, just my 2 cents.
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B/c I was thinking the same thing, but the amount of time since the meds were picked up, workmans comp filed a complaint, and before that her brother had to. So, for him to say that now probably would raise some eyebrows. Then again, if he isn't willing to press charges why would anyone else. That is unless, the workman's comp covered a replacement prescription. Then they will not drop the issue I doubt.
I don't know, just my 2 cents.
:)
Jeez... I can tell you a way to quickly make it go away (maybe) but it won't help with your other problems. You're brother would have to go along with this. AND, he'd have to give up his prescription for that month. You'd have to still have the prescription (or most of it) too.
You'd have to write a night and date it for the time of pick-up, telling your brother you picked it up as he asked.
He'd have to say he mentioned you picking it up for him, but thought he'd said don't bother. It's shaky, but it could work. You'd then go to the insurance and report the incidence.
You do know that once your body is addicted to these medications, they essentially stop working well for you? At this point you're dealing with pain which because of the addiction, you can't even be sure how bad it is.
I've got a rod and screws in my leg, and after all these years, it doesn't hurt "that bad". Then again, I think I'm just used to it hurting, and have adjusted.
HOWEVER, if I miss my dose and start withdrawal, my leg hurts worse than right after I first had the surgery, to the point I can't walk. I KNOW I'm not taking a *deal with the pain* dose anymore (I've been tapering, down to 5 milligrams). So be aware that this does eventually happen, regardless of how little or how much pain you're in.
Otherwise, let's step back and take a breathe. People have to remember there are two types of addicts out there.
Addicts who have an "emotional problem/psych problem" inside them that craves the high of drugs to achieve escape...
And pain management addicts. These are people who may never have taken a drug for pleasure in there whole life (not counting a few tries in college) but are in life changing pain due to physical injury. They don't have "addictive personalities", they just don't want to be in pain.
This doesn't mean they haven't become addicted to they're meds. Most are. It just means the drive is different. With these folks, you take away the pain (and this includes withdrawal pain), and they wouldn't be using anymore.
Because of the failures of our society in dealing with addiction, both of these types are being let down, misinformed, and not being given proper treatment, for different reasons.
But it comes to the same thing.
You'd have to write a night and date it for the time of pick-up, telling your brother you picked it up as he asked.
He'd have to say he mentioned you picking it up for him, but thought he'd said don't bother. It's shaky, but it could work. You'd then go to the insurance and report the incidence.
You do know that once your body is addicted to these medications, they essentially stop working well for you? At this point you're dealing with pain which because of the addiction, you can't even be sure how bad it is.
I've got a rod and screws in my leg, and after all these years, it doesn't hurt "that bad". Then again, I think I'm just used to it hurting, and have adjusted.
HOWEVER, if I miss my dose and start withdrawal, my leg hurts worse than right after I first had the surgery, to the point I can't walk. I KNOW I'm not taking a *deal with the pain* dose anymore (I've been tapering, down to 5 milligrams). So be aware that this does eventually happen, regardless of how little or how much pain you're in.
Otherwise, let's step back and take a breathe. People have to remember there are two types of addicts out there.
Addicts who have an "emotional problem/psych problem" inside them that craves the high of drugs to achieve escape...
And pain management addicts. These are people who may never have taken a drug for pleasure in there whole life (not counting a few tries in college) but are in life changing pain due to physical injury. They don't have "addictive personalities", they just don't want to be in pain.
This doesn't mean they haven't become addicted to they're meds. Most are. It just means the drive is different. With these folks, you take away the pain (and this includes withdrawal pain), and they wouldn't be using anymore.
Because of the failures of our society in dealing with addiction, both of these types are being let down, misinformed, and not being given proper treatment, for different reasons.
But it comes to the same thing.
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Sorry that I have to respond to all these old posts but I don't want new people, who are definitely reading them, to get the wrong information. That is soooooo not true that true pain patients are not addicts and/or addicts aren't or can't be true pain patients. There is also something called pseudo addiction, look it up. I have read sooooo many posts here saying that a TRUE pain patient wouldn't do the things that people here have done to get medication. Only an addict does this stuff. That is sooooo not true. I started taking medication for a TRUE, honest to goodness, pain condition. The dependence on these medications has made me do things that I would NEVER do in a million years. You all call it addiction. Fine, yes, I am addicted to the medication. Of course I am. Who wouldn't be. Taking Oxycontin and/or Methadone for 25+ years, I challenge ANYONE to take meds for that length of time and not be dependent on them. However, I can tell you with 100% certainty, I have NEVER taken an extra pill of Methadone! Oxycontin, hell yes! It never lasted long enough. But Methadone, nope, never! Also, you guys say that a True pain patient wouldn't do desperate things to get their hands on medication. I can assure you they would. Now, maybe, a TRUE pain patient shouldn't run out of their meds early, but it does happen. You don't have to be an addict. But a TRUE pain patient can be discharged by their doctor, sometimes for no reason. Not that I can always blame the doctor, they are put in a tough spot too. If a pain patient is discharged from their program, many of them will do WHATEVER it takes to avoid withdrawals. I am not talking about forging prescriptions, but a lot of them will doctor shop, and that is illegal too. Problem is, a pain patient is on high doses of pain meds and doctors won't give a person that much medication so they need several scripts to get anything near enough to keep withdrawals at bay.
Yes, I agree with the statement that if you take away the pain and the withdrawals, a TRUE pain patient wouldn't be using anymore, but that's not the case. You also can't say that pain patients are people who have may have never taken a drug for pleasure in their whole life. Some may not have, but many have. Many addicts are also true pain patients. Just because someone is an addict doesn't mean they don't deserve pain relief.
Maybe I misunderstood/misread this post, but I have seen it/heard it many times before (not just here) and it is very frustrating.
Yes, I agree with the statement that if you take away the pain and the withdrawals, a TRUE pain patient wouldn't be using anymore, but that's not the case. You also can't say that pain patients are people who have may have never taken a drug for pleasure in their whole life. Some may not have, but many have. Many addicts are also true pain patients. Just because someone is an addict doesn't mean they don't deserve pain relief.
Maybe I misunderstood/misread this post, but I have seen it/heard it many times before (not just here) and it is very frustrating.
I'm with Steve T - she just picked it up for her brother. Her brother already knows, so he just needs to tell the pharm. "nevermind, my sister picked that up for me - it's sitting at home. Sorry to trouble you."
If I were the brother, I condition that assistance on my sister getting the help she obviously needs.
btw, I did exactly the same thing on scripts that really belonged to my mom and a good friend.
If I were the brother, I condition that assistance on my sister getting the help she obviously needs.
btw, I did exactly the same thing on scripts that really belonged to my mom and a good friend.
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Again, this is old, but for people in the same kunundrum in the future, the brother CAN'T just say, "oh my sister picked it up for me, it's sitting at home, sorry to trouble you." That would mean, brother called in the script, sister picked it up for him, he didn't realize it. So then what? He forgot he already called it in and called it in again? I suppose that MIGHT work, but not likely. It might work if he ACTUALLY called in the script, sister overheard him so SHE went in and picked it up because she's an addict. Brother goes in to pick it up a couple days later and they say, "that's already been picked up." Then he could say "My sister picked it up while she was out, it's right here on my kitchen table." But "he" tried calling it in twice, so that's not going to fly. They won't believe that he FORGOT he already called it in 4 days earlier.
THANK YOU ! I completely agree with your comment about beachtowel and his know-it-all guilt filled posts. I also don't think making her feel like what she is saying or admitting isn't worth **** is helping at all. You aren't an expert. I have posted before and have gotten your same reaction of, "nothing you say is new and I know cause I've done it". It truly isn't helping anyone....well maybe it's making yourself feel better and superior. Like I've mentioned before people like you are the reason others stop going to N/A meetings. I don't know what it is about sobriety that turns others into mind readers and experts like yourself.
It is not your place WHATSOEVER to judge her on the acts she has done, and it's definitely not your place to say a god damn thing about her family! Your very quick to point the finger at every single person and THAT is a narrow-minded thing. Why don't you take a second to use your brain a little before posting accusations. On second thought why do you even post at all? Just keep your thoughts to yourself, cause no one is begging for your expertise.
It is not your place WHATSOEVER to judge her on the acts she has done, and it's definitely not your place to say a god damn thing about her family! Your very quick to point the finger at every single person and THAT is a narrow-minded thing. Why don't you take a second to use your brain a little before posting accusations. On second thought why do you even post at all? Just keep your thoughts to yourself, cause no one is begging for your expertise.
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I know this post is very old and I'm glad this stuff is not locked to new posts like a lot of forums are. Trust me, new people come in and read through these old posts, I see a lot of new responses to old postings and I myself have been reading through lots of old posts during days, that feel like an eternity trying to get clean here. Two222, you are exactly right about beachtowel's remarks. They are EXACTLY the type of remarks that make people stop going to NA meetings. I know that from personal experience. Right around Dec 1999/Jan 2000 I went inpatient to get off of Oxycontin. My baby was 6 mos old at the time. Not only was I withdrawing, but I had been breastfeeding him (long story, baby was weaning too, doc was aware of breastfeeding) so my breastmilk had to dry up while I was inpatient. Been through that too beachtowel????!!!!! Very painful. They put me on Clonidine and I ended up in the ICU because my heart rate was 35. Been through THAT beachtowel?!!! Hubby came to see me every day, with my baby, I was inpatient for 2-1/2 weeks then did intensive outpatient. I shared one day and had a guy, just like beachtowel say something to the effect of "wah wah wah, stop whining about everything, nobody wants to hear it." That was the last time I went to outpatient and figured the crap, lack of energy and motivation I was feeling wasn't worth it anymore. I was 30 days clean. Just in time to get my next refill of oxycontin. Here I am now in 2019 weaning off of 240mg methadone and 180mg oxycodone. Currently down to 75mg Methadone, no oxycodone. So beachtowel and people like him, while you may be using the tough love mentality to try to get people to take ownership of their actions, it doesn't work, AT ALL. I was arrested in 1995 for forging scripts, didn't work. I stole money and drugs from family, didn't work, had the tough love mean spirited beachtowels, didn't work. NOTHING worked until I WANTED TO WORK IT FOR MYSELF!!! For those who are teller her to come clean with her husband, or new people in the same situation now, they will do that in there own time. You all have to realize, the first thing is fear of the police. Recovery is a process. People can only process so much at once. Dealing with getting caught, withdrawals, telling the family, etc etc, is a lot to handle all at once. Instead of preaching to people, trying supporting them and letting them do it in their own time.
Thanks for being here and being supportive, but take it down a notch. Nobody can force help or sobriety on anyone. I've seen several posts here where you all have chased people away because you all are sooooooo pushy.
Thanks for being here and being supportive, but take it down a notch. Nobody can force help or sobriety on anyone. I've seen several posts here where you all have chased people away because you all are sooooooo pushy.
My take? No, you didn't ask but hey, forums allow for jumping in. So, I think people all speak the way they do sometimes trying to stir the sh&t and sometimes because that is just how they speak and are trying to help. Can be hard to figure out which so I give them the benefit of the doubt until otherwise. And would say that one size fits all statements don't always work. Tough love approach works for some. Like a shake up in their head--- it could hit someone on the day they need to hear that. But agree it can be irritating and detrimental to others. It's a touch call on what is the best approach.
Rntracy, sounds like you've had a lot over the years. So, that you are still standing, still fighting to get clean and still fighting to have a good life, I give you a major shout out. Go you!!
Rntracy, sounds like you've had a lot over the years. So, that you are still standing, still fighting to get clean and still fighting to have a good life, I give you a major shout out. Go you!!
Like her you both are missing the point..........
No everybody does not lie that is for people who are ashamed or afraid of their life style being exposed........
She is a mother of two and has a husband who she refuses to be honest with do both of you think this is normal or ok or acceptable........
All I would like to hear from one of her posts is that she is considering recovery and helping herself to get away from the insanity she has been living dragging her family in with her for the past four years.........
What statements did I make directly trying to hurt her..........
She has zero consideration of stopping using my whole intentions is to hear her once ask some advice about Recovery and getting her life back............
one way you missed the point of unique........I was referring to her back injury which is her justification and she doesn't get it I am only trying to get her to think about recovery........
my comment of I've been there twice was only to let her know that I understand what she is going through, as far as venting if that is what you call it I guess I read it as she is in a panic because she is only afraid of police.......not herself or her family........
one way why in the world would give you the idea that I am mad?
Where is your post to her showing all this compassion and concern that your accusing me of not having?
When your reading my posts your only see what you want to see which I feel is a very narrow minded perspective.........
If you have read any of my posts over the past 7 months or so I am all about recovery not a Posh Puffs salesman...........
Shattered where is your post to this young lady?
I would be very interested to read what your thoughts would be............
No everybody does not lie that is for people who are ashamed or afraid of their life style being exposed........
She is a mother of two and has a husband who she refuses to be honest with do both of you think this is normal or ok or acceptable........
All I would like to hear from one of her posts is that she is considering recovery and helping herself to get away from the insanity she has been living dragging her family in with her for the past four years.........
What statements did I make directly trying to hurt her..........
She has zero consideration of stopping using my whole intentions is to hear her once ask some advice about Recovery and getting her life back............
one way you missed the point of unique........I was referring to her back injury which is her justification and she doesn't get it I am only trying to get her to think about recovery........
my comment of I've been there twice was only to let her know that I understand what she is going through, as far as venting if that is what you call it I guess I read it as she is in a panic because she is only afraid of police.......not herself or her family........
one way why in the world would give you the idea that I am mad?
Where is your post to her showing all this compassion and concern that your accusing me of not having?
When your reading my posts your only see what you want to see which I feel is a very narrow minded perspective.........
If you have read any of my posts over the past 7 months or so I am all about recovery not a Posh Puffs salesman...........
Shattered where is your post to this young lady?
I would be very interested to read what your thoughts would be............
OH WHAT ADDICTION CAN DO TO US!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
i know the guilt shame embarasment oh, so well!!! i hope you can see the power of this ****.
i am trying to ween now i no how you feel maybe we can do this together i am a loving mom too. and the lies i have told. i know this stuff is killing me i do not even remember what sobriety feels like. but with GODS help i will.
as far as getting caught you probably won't, but do not take this as a good sign sometimes i wish i had got caught in my drinking days, maybe i would have gotton sober earlier!!!
i have not drank in 10 years. but am addicted to pain pills now.
good luck and keep keep us posted.
lol
jill
i know the guilt shame embarasment oh, so well!!! i hope you can see the power of this ****.
i am trying to ween now i no how you feel maybe we can do this together i am a loving mom too. and the lies i have told. i know this stuff is killing me i do not even remember what sobriety feels like. but with GODS help i will.
as far as getting caught you probably won't, but do not take this as a good sign sometimes i wish i had got caught in my drinking days, maybe i would have gotton sober earlier!!!
i have not drank in 10 years. but am addicted to pain pills now.
good luck and keep keep us posted.
lol
jill
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