i'm doin it...CT 12hrs in...

[quinner]

i took my last pill 6:30 pm last nite, just woke up and have to break my usual routines because my mind is just wandering to ONE place and one place only.  I was debating meth/sub and CT last night and i just said screw it and i didn't go out to score anything.  NO MORE.  I,m already feeling bad and i know its just going to get worse...someone help me through this.  I see my doctor at 9 am today, i hope he can RX me the clonodine and valium he promised.  Someone talk me through this please

[HughBeaumont]

The critical issue with taking clonidine, which really does lessen the severity of w/d's, is your pulse rate. This can be easily checked by putting your index finger against the side of your neck (carotid artery) and counting for 30 seconds -- multiply x two and you've got your beats per minute, which should never drop below 60 bpm.

If you have the runs, then take Imodium, and stick to smoothies and lotsa soup, revolting as it may seem at the time.

Valium: If you're new to benzos, good; five or ten milligrams as required ( six-hour spacing) mightn't do much on a conscious level, but you're all right if you taper off in 7-10 days. It's a nasty one to get dependent on.

The "Crazy Legs" thing: Potassium supplements, bananas (throw them into the blender) and Hyland's Restless Legs Formula seem to be the (partial) solution, although dragging yourself out and about, or just up and down the stairs will lessen this maddening after-effect. Easier said than done, but maybe you can do it.

It's time to lean on any friends you have: all distractions are good. This site will keep you active, and there's a lot of experience here.

Most of all, imagine being free of this thing -- it's a huge accomplishment Although the standard line is "relapse is part of the process," don't buy it.

If you have medical help, all the better. Get to Day Four, and don't look back.

Best,

HB

[gnarly_1]

A walk is always good annything to burn off energy

[quinner]

im readt for my clonodine, hopethat hwlps then a hot bath, thank you all for your support.  cant think now, cant even spell properly, but does a wlk help the RLs I heard it somewhere but i must do sumting about it, geez         is all i can say

[gnarly_1]

dude you'll make it DONT BUY INTO THE TRAP of methadone or sub the withdrawals are way worst trust me I went threw methadone withdrawals ....I would do perc's 5 times in a row
then do methadone once...im not kidding ive done both.......Gnarly....BTW the doctors will give you a line of crap saying it painless to get off off nothing could be farther from the truth

[quinner]

Just to clear things up, the other day i was given three options by my doctor to quit my percoset/oxy addiction, he said i can take meth with a slow taper or i can take Suboxone with a slow taper or i can go with CT with some prescriptions to alleviate the withdraws.  I choose CT because my ultimate goal is complete abstinence.  The way i feel now i think i made a mistake because i am really getting bad withdraws. I never thought they would be so severe so early or it might just be me not realizing what to expect.  Hope that clears some things up but i really dont think i am gonna make it, i feel so ashamed.

[gnarly_1]

HI hows it going tonight ??? most dont sleep so I just wanted to encourage you to keep pressing forward .....you will get threw this...methadone and sub have there own can of worms and both can be difficult to get off off....I had to taper for 8 1/2mo to get off methadone going in and out of withdrawals along the way I was miserable there is no get out of jail free card eventually you will have to face withdrawals the onse your going to have now will probably only last 4 days or so then you will feel better it is different symptoms each day
so the cramping should lighten up right now a hot soak will help the most get comfortable with the saying....''you just got to be ok without being ok for a wile'' theres not much you can do but go threw it....get out tomorrow and rent some movies...most of us dont sleep going threw this it will give you something to do wile your up at night....when it gets unbearable
pray for strength to get threw it....God got me threw it...just know in the end it will be so so worth it to be clean....keep posting for support we all want to see you sucseed
good luck and God bless......Gnarly    

[Xsane]

Ya know What - F$&*^#   my last Comment. Call a Local Hotline and Explain ur Situation. U can be escorted to a facility or ER.

[Xsane]

I had originally thought your were taking Methadone. But I understand u are now taking Percocets?

There are just So many questions for us to Ask? Do you have a wife and Kids? Do you make enough money to take some time off and check in to a Rehab center.
Can you contact your MD and discuss a Tapering Method ??

[quinner]

it doesnt look like i'm going to pull through, i totally underestimated what i am going through. this is only day one now.  My main problem is my stomach cramps and the muscle spasms in my atms expecially, please tell me they will go away SOON cause it is unbearable.  My mind is telling me this can end very soon with a phonecall.  What am i going to do???? help please please please

[quinner]

thanks to all, i took a hot bath and managed a little nap...still feeling horrible though but at least i didn't feel nothing during that sleep.  Just to clear things up i am coming off an 7 year percoset and oxy addiction...i choose ct because i didn't want to take the meth/Sub route.  I am really feeling i made the wrong decision..if i can just get through this first day it would help immensely.

[jeffclowns]

hey congrats on deciding to quit and just to let u know u came to the right place this place worked wonders during my w/d's 10 days ago today so make sure to read up on stuff ,post it will take your mind off all the b/s it really does..

[Rulebrkr]

OMG hysterical - as hysterical as it can be. Rawness- yep and the contents? Good lord I never knew I could house that type of stuff. Like a sci fi movie!!! There used to be a website : ratemypoo.com where folks submit pictures of their deeds and others rate them. I think we could all win that one for sure.

Sorry. Forgive me for getting off topic but maybe it will make you smile or focus less on the pain of WD. We are all here for you.....

[Xsane]

Speaking of Bathroom breaks---Seems like after an opiate addiction u have to go to the bathroom so much, u end up Wiping urself raw. For that a good Antibiotic Sauve works wonders to ease a lot of that pain. Colorful eesh but its still advice. Heck Neosporin will work..

[roughroad]

glad you made the decision to go ct. I did it too 3 days ago and day 1 is the hardest. I really couldn't function at all. Just taking my kids to school itself was the hardest task ever. But now by day 3 I feel a ton better. I'm still suffering but I see the light now. I recommend you try to just sleep and take it easy today if you can. It will be a long day. Hot baths, lots of water and green tea, and rest. Take the valium in the evening to help you sleep through the night but don't take too much. I take alprazolam in the evening and it makes the night bearable and the whole process possible. Try to get some exercise tomorrow if you can force yourself to do it...it will make you feel a lot better. It does get better and these first days seem so long and drawn out. Just please don't backslide because if you do you will only be prolonging the problem.
Good luck.

[Rulebrkr]

Hi- done CT many many times myself and usually had to work the whole time. What I have found to help tremendously is immodium. And a lot of it. The recommended dose is 2 mg and I have taken 50 mg at a time- twice a day - and it made all the difference in the world. Really - back and leg aches disappeared, some energy resumed and of course no crazy trips to the bathroom.  I only did it for two - three days straight but it was a lifesaver. And please please drink a ton of water.

I know you are all wondering if it backed me up and the answer is no. During withdrawals wa all know how forceful and explosive "it" can get and taking this much only stopped me up for a day. The following days I was "normal" so to speak. Gosh ya gotta love posting about your bathroom adventures publicly!!! LOL! But seriously it worked. And it's cheap and readily available. Loperimide is the key.

[Xsane]

After rereading the post I noticed Methadone and suboxone - and with Clonodine thrown in the mix I must have drawn my own conclusion...My bad. In that case, Im not sure why he would want to turn to Methadone nor Suboxone to help with WD sx's?

My advice about the Clonodine still stands though - I personally disagree with the usage of a Blood Pressure Medication for Detoxing, especially teamed up with a Benzo.

If it is Percs ad Vicodins, Please refrain from anything stronger. If you think these are tough, The Methadone and Oxycotins as well as the Suboxones cause havoc on ur body and brain, and u become somewhat physically dependant.

I would imagine a bottlle of jack and a lot of sleep with the Valium should make him feel a bit better in a  week or so?
Huh..
I didnt realize they gave Clonodine for Vicodin addictions?

[DayToTry]

Are you thinking quinner is coming off Methadone?  I'm pretty sure he is just quitting an oxy/percocet use.  I could be wrong but he had another post and I think that's what he said.

[Xsane]

That is awfully soon.
Gonna be a Long Day for you sir. I truely feel ur going to need to taper. It killed me too and all I could do is cry to my Dr about needing more help.

[quinner]

i was giving the valium because of a alcohol addiction as awell, DR. wants to make sure i dont withdraw from alcohol cz that can be deadly according to him.  Right now i am feeling week in the bod and especially the mind.  its only been 15-16 hr since last pill and i didn't realize the symptons start this soon.  knowing its only gonna get worse is killing me.......

[Xsane]

Edit: AS QUINNER SAID--

Meant to say "As This_Big Said" Only 2 Clonodine per day and Monitor ur Blood Preassure!!

IF it begins to go below 100/60 , on EITHER  number, Start Drinking Lots and Lots and Lots and Lots of water - Like a Gallon and lay down. Ur BP increases if ur lying down.

[Xsane]

I also had Clonodine for Methadone Detox....Do urself a HUGE favor and ask ur MD to give u a Weekly Methadone Taper. I understand your pain as much as anyone. The Clonodine may only seem to work for a couple of days - then the real WD will kick in. The Valium is ur best friend for the Restless legs but not much else.
As "QUINNER" said - do Not take the Clonidine more than twice a day, no matter ur struggle.
Clonodine started out in life as a Blood Pressure Reduction medication -- that teamed with Valium will Kill u. Meaning ur Ur blood pressure will go so low that your internal organs will fail to work.
Im a Cardiovascular Technologist and am quite familiar with that drug as I am with Methadone addiction.

Stay away from Suboxone. Try and talk with ur Dr about Weekly Tapering--I say weekly   because we cant be trusted with High quantaties of Dones....
God  BLess u and Im living proof that u will get over the Methadone addiction, its just gonna suck for a couple weeks. Stay off the Uppers unless absolutely necassary.
My biggest Suckfest right now though is Severe Lower Leg Pain that Ive just posted about and dont know if this is normal with Methadone WD's??

[this_big]

Diazapam if im not mistaken is Valium. As far as "as needed" It should have  like an hr limit or something on the bottle. Its a anti anxiety med so if you feel like you need one, take one. You might also call the pharmacy or your Dr and ask how often you can take one. I liked IBprophen(sp) for pain (Advil) I took the rx dose of 800 mgs. I'm sure your DR told you DO NOT take that Clonidine more than twice a day. What mg is it? Just curious... How are you feeling overall?

[IBKleen]

The Clonpdine is great. If you can, monitor your bp. I don't know why they gave you the Diazapam, I don't agree with it. What did the doctor say it was for? Just please, please be careful with it. It is addicting.

I know Tylenol is rough but you don't want to take any more opiates and it is a pretty small window you have right now. As rough as it is, give it a bit more time to see if what you are feeling is re-bound pain from withdrawal or the real deal. A lot of us go through this during detox and we think the pain is real and end up using. So you really have to check yourself with this one.

Try and nice hot soak in the tub to relax your muscles. Read if you are into that or watch a movie. The heating pad was my best friend the first week.

Most of all, hang in there.

[quinner]

i got clonodine to take twice daily, and 5mg diazapam to take when needed, how do i know when is "when needed"  And really, tylenol for the pain?  is there anything else that helps because im starting to feel like i got hit by a bus.