Need Rapid Detox off Suboxone and Klonopin

[justme618]

Where to begin? I need to get off of both quick, which one should I get off of first? I"m on 10mg Suboxone/day and have tapered Klonopin to 1.25mg/day down from 2 mg/day.  I know the risk with fast benzo taper/cold turkey. I am trying to reduce both at same time and my body is screaming in every way possible. Stomach cramps, diarrhea, blurred vision, muscle cramps, INSOMNIA, hip/joint pain, nausea, vomiting.  OH MAN. Any words of encouragement appreciated.

[vicki595]

Yes, taper the Suboxone first. Do you know how to do that?  We can't offer you a taper guideline for either drug because its against forum policy but I can tell you that the taper should be slow, dropping small amounts of Sub at a time, and waiting for your body to acclimate before dropping again.  10mg is still a hefty dose to stop abruptly.  Look up some of Weaver's posts about Subs. He has shared a lot of info here and also read about the half life of Sub...

Keep in touch!

[Jinx_777]

again, i would cut the subs first because the klonopin will be helpful for the physical withdrawals that you are sure to have from getting off the subs.  actually, if possible i would continue to use as least amount of klonopin that is safe, because you will want them to be effective for the withdrawals that will include many nights of no sleep and extreme anxiety, etc.  

[justme618]

Thank you everyone for your suggestions, they have been helpful. Mostly just knowing others are out there has been immensely comforting. The details of my legal situation are pending and on lawyers advice; leaving details out at this time.  I was looking for opinions on which to drug to taper first, or at same time, which are irrelevant to what led to my legal situation. I think given my dosages of 10mg/day Suboxone and 1.25mg Klonopin/day, others on here would have advice on which to taper first, etc. I'm open to any suggestions. Thanks again to all

[clean_in_ks]

I can pretty much guarantee you that no matter what situation you find yourself in right now...there is SOMEONE on this forum who has had a very similar experience.   We ALL behaved in one way or another (while using) in a way that caused us to feel shame for our actions.  But harboring our secrets and trying to work the system just keeps the cycle of addiction going.  There is no judgment around here.

If you should decide to be more forthcoming....the responses that you receive would be MUCH more helpful and specific.    

[vicki595]

As NG said, it's better to do one at a time; you'd be much more comfortable. Also, you need a doctor to prescribe these meds. As you know, it's not legal to get them on the street and being you're already involved in legal trouble...I just think it's best to be cautious...I would worry about being stopped for a traffic violation if the meds were in the car, that sort of thing.

It's unclear why you might be drug tested but people ARE allowed to have medicine in their system...with a legit RX...and it doesn't necessarily have to be common knowledge. You do have an implied right to privacy. You have a lawyer, right?

[Jinx_777]

i would jump the subs and slowly cut down the klonopin.  either way it is going to hurt.  to me, i would rather jump (if safe) because it is like ripping off a band aid. do it slow or fast.  that is just me.  everyone is different, but i have seen many jump from higher doses than you are on.  doesn't seem like you can seek medical advice, which i WOULD SUGGEST, so i won't even bother with all that

[justme618]

Also to answer your question, I can drop sub quickly, I have plenty, supply is not issue. Issue is not having it in my system if I happen to get screened. Same issue with the Klon.   Don't get me wrong, I'm so thankful to have found this site because I have been working a slow taper for several months already and this site is so positive and encouraging, I am thankful to have found this great community of support.  No matter what happens, I am getting off of these drugs, I just hit a HUGE bump in my road and it has thrown me off my plan somewhat. Very frustrated because I have been doing very well with my taper and so determined to be done for good at the end of this tapering….now it all has to been sped up and I feel scared and panicked

[justme618]

Thank you so much for taking time to respond.  I appreciate it so very much. The loneliness is difficult, this support from other is wonderful. I'm in a mess, and my taper plan I was already successfully working has now been thrown into warp speed because of legal issue.  I have been tapering and doing extremely well with it, I'm so confused as to what to do at this point, I just need somewhere to vent, and am open to any advice/thoughts. Thanks again

[justme618]

Thank you for your response, I appreciate every word! I have a little wiggle room on the amount of time, not sure how much exactly yet as its a pending legal matter, I'm trying to approach it the best way possible….I just don't know what that is. I'm constantly wavering between which to taper first or what to do. I'm so confused and upset yet deep down determined because I MUST survive this and preferably not in jail : /     Regardless of the legal issue, I had already been successfully working a slow taper of both meds and had not faltered once in my tapering plan. I am done with these drugs. DONE

[weaver71]

I had a "friend" on both those meds. He ct the subs at 16mgs and kept tapering the Klonopine. Then his doctor cut his benzos, which he was taking more than prescribed. I believe he was on 1mg of klons. He was okay, he tapered with what he had and lived through it. It was a rough ride, to say the least. I think finding a benzo doc would help with that. As for the subs, plan on 90 to 180 days of various symptoms, as mentioned above. If this urgency is for legal or job opportunity, I think it will be hard to hide your illness for a long time. How much time do you have until you run out? Can you drop drastically on the subs to stretch them? It's difficult to know how to help with so little info. You have the right attitude, you will do it one way or another.

[Sonrissa]

Hi justme, welcome.  I do not have any personal experience with either of those drugs, but there are many here who do. I simply wanted to offer my support. I hope you will stick around and keep posting.  You can feel free to tell your story, if you would like.  We do not judge here. It can help to let it all out.  Take care, I wish you the best. We will support you through this no matter what. Good luck!

[justme618]

I think my best solution is to quickly try to find Dr for one of the meds, as nursegirl6572 said, and is true, they are not given together…therein is one problem……and gnarly_1 you are correct…..a quick solution is always desired.  I'm learning some really fast lessons here, not easy, but will get thru this all somehow.  This isn't my first rodeo, and I have a medical background, hopefully with some grit and grace I will figure this out.  Thank you all for responding to me, it really means a lot.

[gnarly_1]

Hi well what your asking is tuff to do  the clonipin needs to be tapered slowly to avoid seizures and your on a fairly high dose of sub to quit I would taper that also but we have had members c/t off 30mg,it ant pritty and there is a long withdrawal but you will get better addicts are always looking for a quick fix we want it and we want it now but with 2 meds that require slow tapers your going to feel prity ruff coming off if it where me I would taper for a wile and get the sub down then do the clonpin but not together this is a race one by the tortus not the hare keep posting for support we will help you on what ever you decide
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[nursegirl6572]

Okay, I kind of assumed you lost your source, whether it be doctor cutting you off, or the like.

Unfortunately, with Suboxone, the initial dosage reductions when you're on a substantial dose are pretty tolerable.  It's when you get to the lower doses when it gets much harder (like 2mg and under).  Stopping cold turkey REALLY isn't a good idea.

Can you try to seek out a rehab, or a doctor who can help you do this the optimal way?

[justme618]

And you are correct they are not prescribed together. I am in a time crunch, and short of taking phenobarb and doing a rapid benzo detox, I don't see I have many other options.  Thank you for your response/time/consideration

[justme618]

New to this site, not sure if this response will get to nursegirl6572, I need to get off of them quickly for a pending problem that I'd rather not go into. I've tapered down from 16 to 10mg Suboxone without difficulty..(minor/typical problems) I've only really started having issues when I also tried reducing the Klonopin at same time.

[nursegirl6572]

A few questions for you...

One, are you prescribed these medications?  It's very unusual to see someone prescribed Suboxone with a benzo.

Secondly, why do you want/need to come off these medications so quickly?  Not to be discouraging, and it CAN be done, but stopping Sub at doses above 2mg/day is VERY hard, and your dose is MUCH MUCH higher.

Your BEST bet is to do one medication at a time, and taper them slowly, with the help of a doctor, preferably.  My personal opinion would be to taper the Sub first, get off that and then resume your Klonopin taper.

Good luck to you!