he is setting himself up for failure again. how is he doing? cold turkey off of 4 mgs of suboxone is almost impossible? I don't think we got an answer the other day why he isn't going to taper down.
he always goes back because he feels so bad if this is the way he always tries to quit.
he is going to be very, very sick for a quite a while.
Amen to what Debbie said above. While I understand his thinking, it is counterproductive and he's making this much harder on himself than it has to be, truly!
He needs to taper down to a MUCH lower dose before jumping, and it isn't a race...slow and steady is the best way to taper off subs.
He needs to follow the program or he'll keep failing. If he really wants to quit, he will do what is necessary, following the program prescribed.
I agree with all of the above. I did the same thing his is, but with methadone. I kept trying to do it my way, yet my way put me in that position. I suggest getting more subs and taper down to .5 mg or less. I would talk with the doctor or addiction specialist about a plan. Form a plan and stick to it. Decision making and logic are not very easy in withdrawal. Take the guessing and stabs in the dark away. You hold the subs and give him his taper scheduled dose. Have him spend extra time in meetings and counseling during this taper. This is the most likely path to ended this forever. If he thinks he can do this his way, then he may think he has the power to take just one in the future. Just my opinion.
I tried to type you a long note a few hours ago...updateing you. I want to share with you as you have been the most informative source of info on here. and I have some experience now as well as interesting neurological information. I can't be long now so let me just give you a basic update. dr. put him back on subs on day 5...increased the dose from 4mg to 6mg. dr. says taper not to begin until the depression is addressed with Psych counseling and either amino acid therapy or conventional antidepressants. I am looking at what he suggested...Dr. Eric Nestlers work on Brain Derived Neurotrophic Factors and "End your addiction Now"...which you are probably familiar with. step one however is rebuilding his body which has been abused through ANOTHER cold turkey experience. thank you once again for your help.
So far this doc sounds good. Good for you both. It seems to me a plan is important, it doesn't matter which plan, as long as you're clean in the end. I did lots of things wrong, but I stuck to the plan. Barely, but my support team kept me on track. My wife said, " why don't you follow through for a change?" A change is what I wanted, so I followed my own plan to the end. I don't know if others feel that way, but that is an achievement only I could do. That's a good foundation for starting a new life, a new way of looking at things, new possibilities grow. Anyway, hope he likes this plan. He'll make it, he has too much going for him. I wish you where my mom. Lots to look forward to, glad something is coming together.
how sweet you are dear one....and so kind to be on this site....reaching out to others. please know that what you are doing on here is helping to save lives...and is greatly appreciated.
tell him im coming up on 8 days as i speak its very far from easy but can be done if you want it enough. i jumped at 4 too i dropped to quick over 2 days but anything is possible if you want it enough. wishing you all the luck in the world hun.