ummmm...wtf..

[michizzle]

So... the sub... is going to create a whole new set of withdraw symptoms? that last longer? I am a little frightened as I only had one 8mg sub... which I have taken half of... and it is keeping my comfort level bearable... but is this just putting off the inevitable??? ... So now that I have ingested the sub... when I withdraw... even if I shoot dope... am I still going to withdraw because now my body won't feel the heroin?  k I hate my life... i really do.

[10356]

I'm glad to read you are still going to try to get clean.. We all have set backs.. But to really succeed you have to cut ties with your dealer and friend's who use.. You have to adopt a whole different lifestyle surround yourself with straight people.. I wanted to pop in and let you know I was thinking of you and that I wish you well on your journey.. lesa
P.S. If you ever need to talk please feel free to contact me.....

[michizzle]

hi... I got high..well I actually didnt get high... but I attempted to get high... the suboxone blocked the effects... I am still going to get clean tho... shooting dope once in 3 days... i think its been three days, I am not sure...is better then doing it ten times each day... ok I dont know what to say... I am just letting time pass... using the television to distract me from reality ... I moved to oregon a year ago and I am so freakin alone here... I just dont know what I am doing in this life anymore... okay talk to you all later... thanks again

[wannabefree330]

In order to have w/d symptoms from sub itself you have to be on it for a while.  Several weeks. It also doesn't post-pone your heroin w/d.  If you hadn't taken the sub, you'd really be having some w/d symptoms from the H.  If you really want off the H for good I suggest you get to a doctor that prescribes H, and get clean over a month.  Opiate and H users typically go back out because the craving or w/d is so bad.  Thats what the sub is for.  I've been on it for nearly 3 mo now and I haven't had one craving.  The worst w/d symptom I had was cold sweats while I was in detox.  I know eventually I will have to taper my sub and realize it is a long process.  But, I'm willing to do whatever it takes to stay clean this time.  My mind, my body, and my spirit are all in better shape to deal with the slow taper now, than they were when I was popping 70 lortab every day.  I care about myself today and look fwd to the future......and those help me stay focused on recovery.  When I started sub, I wanted to stay on it longer because over 4 years, I have relapsed three times and I don't want a 4th.  Some people stay on it the rest of their lives.  So what?  As long as I do the slow taper off of it and not CT the w/d from sub will not nearly be as bad as CT off of percocet or lortabs.

[nottobright]

check your inbox....

[flmagi]

Ochooked is right, that one Sub won't get you re-addicted. Use it, break it up and take small amount to help the withdrawels. You can do this and everyone is here to help you. Good luck, stay strong and keep posting as often as you want.

[ochooked]

One Sub or ever two or three is not going to get you re-addicted to a new DOC.  Use the Sub to help alleviate the severe part of W/D and then just grab and hold on --- you can get through this -- many others have --- you already know about the depression that comes and that too will pass -- as will the physical side of W/D.  We all wish you well on your desire to get and stay clean---- Please do not be overly sensitive - -- the folks on here are only interested in helping and sharing their own experiences with you.  Please keep posting and reading.  All the best.

[michizzle]

hi ... thanks for all your responses.. I do want to quit... I have used all drugs I could get my hands on through out my life... heroin... about two years total... the first year.. 1997.. I ended  up being totally clean for almost 4 years of all drugs... then I started back with what in my mind considers not so heavy drugs.. but my mind lies to me.. anyway... this last bit of using heroin started after using pills... and I would guess I am on month four... bleh... my story really doesnt matter i suppose... bottom line is ... I am a human being who from the womb.. has been using drugs... my first instinct as far as coping in my life.. is to get high... however I have been clean before and really those were the best 4 years out of my entire life...  my motive in life period is to not suffer... of course I dont want to be chasing that last high... did you forget it isnt always like that?  I am not sure why I am ranting like this... bottom line is I am here for some support.. right here.. right now... and that is all that should matter... and yes I only have one suboxone.. I have been learning all about it since last night... I had no idea it was another opiate or that it is 50x stronger than morphine... or that it could take a year to totally detox from...until this afternoon... It is disturbing really... that doesnt mean I want to suffer none the less... I have spent the better part of my life in N/A meetings... and I suppose my only resistance is that I am afraid I will trade my addiction for living in a 12 step room again and I really want the balance of life this time... I have no idea how to do that balance and I am certainly not going to find it getting high.. ok I could go on forever... anywhoooooo... I am hanging in there.. thanks again

[10356]

You know Michizzle that was where I was at when I quit Heroin..(I hate my life... i really do.)  I mean it leads us know where but further into desperation and despair just living life in Hell.. You can get clean from H.. There are many on here that have.. How long have you been using..Have you quit before.. If you did what did you do for yourself after.. It does get even worse then tonight.. I and everyone on this forum is an addict.. We have  been in your shoes so if you really want to get clean.. Know that you can do it.. It is not a walk in the park but man when you put that life behind you it is amazing the joy you find in the smallest of things.. I hope you stick around read others story's.. I myself found I was reading about my life in many way's..  I hope to hear from you soon..

[10356]

I will give you the benefit of doubt and say you want off the H You have 1 8mg sub you took 1/2 that leaves you with 4mg from what I have learned you should try sub at it's lowest dose usually 2mg but you only have 4 I would cut the 1/2 into 4 pieces 1 mg a piece it has a shelf life off 3 day's we will say 2 because you are on such a low dose.. Take 1mg only when you are feeling very sick also with the next till you are done.. You will still have dope sickness  but maybe it will not be so bad,, There are things you can do to help yourself.. Like cut off your connection and others you use with.. I had to move from the area.... As a junkie you would know what to do for wd but if you have any questions please post...I wish you well on to journey.. lesa

[ProdigalGirl]

This poster made a good point. Are you ready to stop or just could not get the fix you needed so got sub instead? Be honest so we can help you

[ProdigalGirl]

Hon, why would you want to shoot up H again? Aren't you tired of this or you would not have tried to quit? Sub has a 37 hour half life so it would take maybe 3 days or so maybe  to leave your system. If you shoot up now........ watch out, your in for some SERIOUS w/d that would be worse than if you never took it. (Depending on the time you took the sub). See an addiction doctor , go to rehab, just don't shoot up anymore k?

It's late now, but people with more knowledge of the half life etc of sub will be on to post. For tonight......NO SHOOTING  H  ok?

[10356]

Lets hope you do not slam the Heroin.. You must want off the dope if you are taking a sub.. Is it your only one ? Are you just using it to stave off wd till your next fix ? Not meaning to sound rude just wanting to understand so we know best how to help... lesa