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TAKE THE TEST

TAKE THE TEST !!!

Because of my medical education and degrees it allows me access to research and researchers doing new non-drug anxiety treatments. I have been on the phone and doing intensive research on CO2 and the new Capnograph treatments for the past two weeks. People are recovering from decades of anxiety with the help of this protocol.

It is reported that over 98% of people with anxiety have learned breathing dysfunctions where they blow off excess CO2 - this causes a whole cascade of neurological and physiological negative changes. Within 3 seconds improper breathing can send the nervous system into high states of excitation.

I don’t have time to go into detail on this but here is the test:

Breathe normally - don’t take a big breath. After a normal exhale hold your nose closed and close your mouth tight.

Count the number of seconds on a watch until you feel the first twinge of needing to breathe. Do not hold or count until you feel like you are going to pass out.

If you took a big breath after the test you did not stop at the first signs of air hunger - do the test over.

Wait 5 minutes of normal breathing and do the test two more times.

Report, on this link, the number of seconds until you needed to breathe.
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The whole point of all deep breathing and most relaxation techniques is to increase carbon dioxide in the nervous system.

CO2 is like instant Valium to the nervous system - plus it has dozens of positve actions in the body

Deep breathing done incorrectly can actually decrease CO2
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Reader's Digest had a short article on stress reduction, and it stated that deep breathing techniques like those used in yoga have a calming effect on a part of the brain that no drug can do.  I think it may have been Aug. or July 2011 issue.
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Here is some more info

http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2010-12/smu-nbt122010.php

http://www.normalbreathing.com/CO2-stabilizer.php

http://breathing.com/articles/capnometry.htm

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So what's the best way to breathe to prevent future anxiety and good for general health?
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Hi, Spirit - I tried reading your post about the breathing and will go back and parse it at some point.  It sounds interesting.  I am seeing a new psychiatrist this month who says she is 'integrative,' so I will certainly ask about this stuff as I am on some meds and don't know, for various reasons, how high up I can go on them (celexa, diazepam).  I had a tough time last year, w/ an eating disorder, starting meds, and losing my psychiatrist rather suddenly, so I am pretty skittish about trying to trust someone new.  Anticipate standing on my head doing yoga... chanting, maybe.  
I KNOW that breathing impacts anxiety.  When I am short of breath, my primary care doc often points to that.  I know how I feel when I'm anxious, and breathing is usually an issue - too fast, whatever.  I have ocd, dysthymia and anxiety ... and am just learning how to really deal w/ it, although I've had therapy for years.  And yes, fear knows no degree.  I'm a lawyer, who regularly gets up in court and argues.  I recall, though, when arguing at the appellate court, for the first time, being so nervous, my knees buckled.  Took a couple of deep breaths, stepped back, and was able to continue.  But I echo Green's curiosity - are you an MD?  If not, what then?  Psychologist?  Nurse?  PA?  Nurse Practitioner?  If an MD (or DO) what specialty - are you a psychiatrist and/or neurologist?  I think it's great you are up front about what ails you but yeah, wonder how a bunch of lay folk can provide more than support for you.  I read medical stuff online, this forum being exhibit A, however, you know what they say about 'a little knowledge...' and you, apparently, have a lot - your name isn't important, but I'd love to know what your expertise is.  Welcome to the forum!  Anna
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You know Green fear has no degree. I have three doctor friends who have  severe anxiety and or OCD. All are on disability now.

Degrees also do not protect you from childhood trauma - damage from anxiety drugs or life stress - in fact they add to them often.

So yep if I am in a spin I need reassurance just like anyone else. When we had our community anxiety group we had a professional group and had attorneys - several nurses - a mayor - a pilot - a Catholic father and lots of executives.

In our state we have a psche hospital just for medical professionals - well hidden

I have also not worked in my field for over 20 years -I have done more reserch in the past 5 but got out of the field due to the stress
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tshock,
If your husbands blood saturation level was at 96%, that's very good. A Co2 level below 90% is what we watch for in the hospital.


All1Spirit,
You are presenting as somewhat of an enigma. In another of your posts, you are asking for help becasue of " SEVERE gut cramping, 24/7 nausea and a return of very intense anxeity."
At the start of THIS post, you write........." Because of my medical education and degrees......." Hmmmmm. One would think with all that medical education and degrees, you shouldn't have to be asking a forum full of lay people what your symptoms could mean.
Just wondering, eh?
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Wow!!
This all started around 13 years ago. We had been watching some show about deep sea divers...some of them didn't fill their oxygen tanks...they barely made it to the surface.
We all sat around that night holding our breath. I couldn't get that show out of my head for weeks. I would lay in bed holding my breath.
Next thing you know I'm having major panic attacks.
In and out of the hospital like crazy for a couple of months.
Have never felt right since.
I only re-learned how to breathe through my diaphragm a couple of years ago, but I still find that I breathe "with my shoulders" if you know what I mean...upper lungs only I guess.
Well thanks for that! Where can I find one of those therapists in Canada?
Hubby "died" in our driveway last spring...his Co2 was 96% by the time they got to him. I called 911 as soon as he said he couldn't breathe...took them a measly 23 minutes to respond...ugh.
They said he would never come off of the machines, and if he did he would be a vegetable...looks like they were wrong, but he has changed quite a bit since then...memory loss and such.
Guess these guys are really onto something here.
Thanks again, I think we all owe you one.
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10 seconds or less - severe breathing dysregulation with major physiology
alterations to the organism - often seen in very ill patients - in an ER they may give you an IV
because your CO2 is so low you have little ability to regulate blood Ph

up to 20 seconds - less severe physiology alterations but still in critical
range -up to 30 seconds - moderate alterations to physiology in a health person
In a sensitive person it can mean severe symptoms - mental & physical


up to 40 seconds - Minor changes in physiology in sensitive patients

Over 40 seconds to 2 minutes normal oxygen and CO2 saturation in tissues

The inability to hold the breath means that the patient has been blowing off too
much CO2 and this limits Oxygen saturation into ALL tissues. Taking a deep breath
will have an adverse effect.

A breath hold below 30 seconds can reduce the oxygen to the brain by up to 50%. CO2 is the
gas the entire nervous system uses to calm itself.

If you are below 40 seconds major relief from anxiety can come from proper breath retraining.
Finding a therapist that has a Capnometer to test your breathing is the first step toward recovery
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209987 tn?1451935465
15 seconds the first time.
5 seconds the second time.
9 seconds the third time.


I DO believe that breathing is linked to my anxiety.
Every time the doctor would tell me to take a deep breath during a panic attack, I would get worse...start to hyperventilate.
Even during regular check ups when they ask you to take a deep breath I begin to feel dizzy or get a "head rush" and on the verge of hyperventilating.

Over the years, every time I would go into hospital during an attack, they would notice that my breathing was slow and shallow.

I haven't had an episode in years, but every time I think about my breathing I feel that old, familiar knot begin to rise.

Hope this helps.
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