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hi monkeyc
This is for you only being a programmer. I am an engineer graduated from electronics and communications. In my 3rd year I had this BP and my life turned upside down. I started work. I wasn't successful not they fire me. no I just quit because it's tiring. I would sit on the monitor designing electrical circuits by ORCAD or TANGO for 8 hours. I tried to be CISCO certified 3 times. I didn't submit the exam only took up the course then changed my mind. It's tough and I realised I hate networking. The only alternative left for me now is programming. I can say I am ok in C++ but everything turned C#. Now stresses aren't advised for BP. I "think" I like programming. But I am already myope -5 in both eyes. Of course I wear eye glasses. I have a few queries:
is it complicated to learn it? visual studio....
Is there a new trend in programming which I can be ahead of time that I can learn and useful
is programming a stressful job more than any other one in the area of communication and electronics.
When I used to apply to apply for jobs, communications needs traveling which I can't in order to get good sleep at home. Concerning programming bugs...in the program etc.. does it have to squeeze very much your brain. I've done plenty of programming when I was OK but I am speaking about BP now. Once I entered lately a room of programmers. I've noticed they are all fat and wearing heavy eyeglasses.
can you advise
ezz
This is for you only being a programmer. I am an engineer graduated from electronics and communications. In my 3rd year I had this BP and my life turned upside down. I started work. I wasn't successful not they fire me. no I just quit because it's tiring. I would sit on the monitor designing electrical circuits by ORCAD or TANGO for 8 hours. I tried to be CISCO certified 3 times. I didn't submit the exam only took up the course then changed my mind. It's tough and I realised I hate networking. The only alternative left for me now is programming. I can say I am ok in C++ but everything turned C#. Now stresses aren't advised for BP. I "think" I like programming. But I am already myope -5 in both eyes. Of course I wear eye glasses. I have a few queries:
is it complicated to learn it? visual studio....
Is there a new trend in programming which I can be ahead of time that I can learn and useful
is programming a stressful job more than any other one in the area of communication and electronics.
When I used to apply to apply for jobs, communications needs traveling which I can't in order to get good sleep at home. Concerning programming bugs...in the program etc.. does it have to squeeze very much your brain. I've done plenty of programming when I was OK but I am speaking about BP now. Once I entered lately a room of programmers. I've noticed they are all fat and wearing heavy eyeglasses.
can you advise
ezz
Adel working late wont make you manic.
Proper medication controls moods. That and education is the key to controlling moods.
I have worked insane hours on and off mood stabilisers and its not the hours that make me manic nor the stress of it all its the way my mind is at the time and how I approach it - its the mindset, the way you program yourself. Its easy to work 24 hours straight, you just don't stop working. its harder to stop and look after yourself. But if you dont.
I also believe positive thinking is important as much as we can do it - if you say you will be manic you will be manic; i think we talk ourselves into things sometimes and create self perpetuating acts.
Anyone who does not know what I mean just needs to find someone with paranoia as a component of BP and ask them if their paranoia has ever damaged a relationship or lost them a job - there's self perpetuation for you - paranoia causes fear which causes worry which causes behaviours which are not conducive which causes other problems which causes more paranoia and so on and so on.
Fix the moods and programming might be a great career - hell you might even find a new enthusiasm for engineering.
Proper medication controls moods. That and education is the key to controlling moods.
I have worked insane hours on and off mood stabilisers and its not the hours that make me manic nor the stress of it all its the way my mind is at the time and how I approach it - its the mindset, the way you program yourself. Its easy to work 24 hours straight, you just don't stop working. its harder to stop and look after yourself. But if you dont.
I also believe positive thinking is important as much as we can do it - if you say you will be manic you will be manic; i think we talk ourselves into things sometimes and create self perpetuating acts.
Anyone who does not know what I mean just needs to find someone with paranoia as a component of BP and ask them if their paranoia has ever damaged a relationship or lost them a job - there's self perpetuation for you - paranoia causes fear which causes worry which causes behaviours which are not conducive which causes other problems which causes more paranoia and so on and so on.
Fix the moods and programming might be a great career - hell you might even find a new enthusiasm for engineering.
thank you really LeftCoastChick and monkeyc.
Indeed I have to be fixed first then fix my career. I asked another friend today who work as a programmer. He said it can go smoothly then you can be asked to build a momentum to submit a project or being asked to stay late at night. In this situation I suppose I shall become manic directly.
thanks
ezz
Indeed I have to be fixed first then fix my career. I asked another friend today who work as a programmer. He said it can go smoothly then you can be asked to build a momentum to submit a project or being asked to stay late at night. In this situation I suppose I shall become manic directly.
thanks
ezz
Um ok.
First things first I guess, Im not a programmer; I am pretty much incapable of anything beyond a batch script or windows powershell. If you want me to design you an enterprise server environment and keep it running 24/7 then I am your man :) My actual Job title these days is Principal Systems Engineer but that's just a fancy way of saying anything that breaks is my problem really or mine and my team's anyway.
But lets turn this to work in general for bipolars and stress.
You say you find it all tiring and you seem to be indicating concentration may be an issue - welcome to the club. In a hypomanic pahse I can work without end for says, my record during a DR is 49 hours straight without sleep (but with a lot of coffee and cigarettes) and my record for days worked straight is 63 without a day off. Its easy when you are challening all that manic energy and you have a job you love and you just have work to burn and hey work is easier than trying to make sense of why you feel so crazy and why your mind won't stop and your marriage is a mess...
Then you crash and doing anything is hard.
Programming should not be hard to learn for someone with your education really, the problem is its not more interesting to my mind than designing electronic circuits would be and you are competing in a bigger market, you can teach yourself to program easily and that means you can teach yourself to write bad code even easier.
Welcome to my world - a 9 year old girl in India just got her Microsoft Certified Profressional - my certs just went down in value again (cant buy experience though)
Adel the thing is this. Until you get your medication and health sorted and get a good medical team I fear you are going to have trouble doing anything new, concentration is hard to maintain etc etc. And what happens when you go manic?
To be frank im not surprised you find work tiring - your "psychiatrist" is sedating you.
Im not sure if that helps, yes programming may well be a good job, yes its interesting work and it suits Bipolars ; I know a few bipolar programmers; and its diverse work but you see if you were medicated well and stable travel would not be a problem, nothing would be because we can live our lives pretty much like other people inside some simple rules : I travel for work, dine out, do all the normal things other people do.
Oh and on fat programmers with glasses.. I cant comment because thanks to sitting on my fat butt for years and living on a diet of whatever you can find are strange hours and mirtazapine I have grown fat myself, I have glasses but I don't wear them normally and I am addicted to caffeine and nicotine. But in my experience there are fat, thin, tall, short and all sorts in between - yeah a lot wear glasses, the older ones anyway who screwed their eyes like I did on **** CRT monitors in past years.
get you treatment sorted, then get a career going - you will be amazed what you can do !
Personally i miss the hypomania sometimes because I used to love being able to crush deadlines and get things done at warp speed - then i remember how people used to avoid spending time in small rooms with me for long because I was so intense and more than a few hotel checkin clerks and airport check in girls who gave me that look they reserve for the unhinged person who has not slept in days and looks it. And I remember the crashes.
LeftCoastChick - I was going to study civil engineering but I could not drink enough beer *
Semi true - my best friend did and civil engineers REALLY drink a lot of beer. And complain they can't meet women...Go figure eh?
First things first I guess, Im not a programmer; I am pretty much incapable of anything beyond a batch script or windows powershell. If you want me to design you an enterprise server environment and keep it running 24/7 then I am your man :) My actual Job title these days is Principal Systems Engineer but that's just a fancy way of saying anything that breaks is my problem really or mine and my team's anyway.
But lets turn this to work in general for bipolars and stress.
You say you find it all tiring and you seem to be indicating concentration may be an issue - welcome to the club. In a hypomanic pahse I can work without end for says, my record during a DR is 49 hours straight without sleep (but with a lot of coffee and cigarettes) and my record for days worked straight is 63 without a day off. Its easy when you are challening all that manic energy and you have a job you love and you just have work to burn and hey work is easier than trying to make sense of why you feel so crazy and why your mind won't stop and your marriage is a mess...
Then you crash and doing anything is hard.
Programming should not be hard to learn for someone with your education really, the problem is its not more interesting to my mind than designing electronic circuits would be and you are competing in a bigger market, you can teach yourself to program easily and that means you can teach yourself to write bad code even easier.
Welcome to my world - a 9 year old girl in India just got her Microsoft Certified Profressional - my certs just went down in value again (cant buy experience though)
Adel the thing is this. Until you get your medication and health sorted and get a good medical team I fear you are going to have trouble doing anything new, concentration is hard to maintain etc etc. And what happens when you go manic?
To be frank im not surprised you find work tiring - your "psychiatrist" is sedating you.
Im not sure if that helps, yes programming may well be a good job, yes its interesting work and it suits Bipolars ; I know a few bipolar programmers; and its diverse work but you see if you were medicated well and stable travel would not be a problem, nothing would be because we can live our lives pretty much like other people inside some simple rules : I travel for work, dine out, do all the normal things other people do.
Oh and on fat programmers with glasses.. I cant comment because thanks to sitting on my fat butt for years and living on a diet of whatever you can find are strange hours and mirtazapine I have grown fat myself, I have glasses but I don't wear them normally and I am addicted to caffeine and nicotine. But in my experience there are fat, thin, tall, short and all sorts in between - yeah a lot wear glasses, the older ones anyway who screwed their eyes like I did on **** CRT monitors in past years.
get you treatment sorted, then get a career going - you will be amazed what you can do !
Personally i miss the hypomania sometimes because I used to love being able to crush deadlines and get things done at warp speed - then i remember how people used to avoid spending time in small rooms with me for long because I was so intense and more than a few hotel checkin clerks and airport check in girls who gave me that look they reserve for the unhinged person who has not slept in days and looks it. And I remember the crashes.
LeftCoastChick - I was going to study civil engineering but I could not drink enough beer *
Semi true - my best friend did and civil engineers REALLY drink a lot of beer. And complain they can't meet women...Go figure eh?
Ezz, I was going to go for my Law Degree, but I walked into the Law Library at my University and all the law students were sweaty and twitchy. I changed my mind ;)
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