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973741 tn?1342342773

"The Caravan"

No link but was just wondering what thoughts were of this approaching caravan?
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206807 tn?1331936184
Who knows, all they would have to do is follow the money. I would like to know is, who is supplying them with rations? I can't imagine how much much it costs, just daily. The locals can't afford to and if they did. it would look like a Biblical plague as they passed through.

649848 tn?1534633700
I heard today that a lot of the people have accepted asylum from Mexico.  The caravan is now less than half the size it was a couple of days ago.

I've heard a lot of speculation about the money to sustain the travellers... the locals "could" do it or provisions could be provided by almost anyone.  We may never know.  

At any rate - as to how I feel about it - I really wouldn't mind if they came and were processed so the ones who "really" qualify for asylum could get it, but I'm afraid it wouldn't be that easy.  The administration has decided they aren't going to allow anyone to attain asylum here, so there will only be trouble if the people continue the journey.  

I'm embarrassed that we've gotten to this point because the U.S. is supposed to be the great humanitarian country and we're now turning away people who really need a safe place to live.
973741 tn?1342342773
It's embarrassing but our role as great humanitarian should probably be more limited.  That's just my opinion.  It's all so public and sure to be messy and make us look bad.  Part of me wonders if that too is not the point.

And I get the biblical look to it, agree.
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There are ways we could limit our humanitarian efforts and still help these people. Perhaps we could find ways to help them in their own countries so they wouldn't need to immigrate?

It's hard to say if it was all designed to make us look bad... I sort of misspoke in my last post... It's actually the administration I'm embarrassed about... they've made such a public display of their beliefs and how they intend to handle this so they can keep the base stirred up that it simply goes against my grain.

I don't have the answers but I do believe there are ways these things could be handled differently.
973741 tn?1342342773
ARRIAGA, Mexico — Hundreds of Mexican federal officers carrying plastic shields blocked a Central American caravan from advancing toward the United States on Saturday, after a group of several thousand migrants turned down the chance to apply for refugee status and obtain a Mexican offer of benefits.

Mexican President Enrique Pena Nieto has announced what he called the "You are at home" plan, offering shelter, medical attention, schooling and jobs to Central Americans in Chiapas and Oaxaca states if migrants apply, calling it a first step toward permanent refugee status. Authorities said more than 1,700 had already applied for refugee status.
But a standoff unfolded as federal police officers blocked the highway, saying there was an operation underway to stop the caravan. Thousands of migrants waited to advance, vowing to continue their long trek toward the U.S. border.
But a standoff unfolded as federal police officers blocked the highway, saying there was an operation underway to stop the caravan. Thousands of migrants waited to advance, vowing to continue their long trek toward the U.S. border.

At a meeting brokered by Mexico's National Human Rights Commission, police said they would reopen the highway and only wanted an opportunity for federal authorities to explain the proposal to migrants who had rejected it the previous evening. Migrants countered that the middle of a highway was no place to negotiate and said they wanted to at least arrive safely to Mexico City to discuss the topic with authorities and Mexican lawmakers.
They agreed to relay information back to their respective sides and said they would reconvene.
Orbelina Orellana, a migrant from San Pedro Sula, Honduras, said she and her husband left three children behind and had decided to continue north one way or another.
She was suspicious of the government's proposal and said that some Hondurans who had applied for legal status had already been sent back. Her claims could not be verified, but migrants' representatives in the talks asked the Mexican government to provide a list of anyone who had been forced to return.
The standoff comes after one of the caravan's longest days of walking and hanging from passing trucks on a 60-mile (100 kilometer) journey to the city of Arriaga.
The bulk of the migrants were boisterous Friday evening in their refusal to accept anything less than safe passage to the U.S. border.
"Thank you!" they yelled as they voted to reject the offer in a show of hands. They then added: "No, we're heading north!"
"Our destiny is to get to the border," Orellana said.
973741 tn?1342342773
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/were-heading-north-migrants-nix-offer-to-stay-in-mexico/ar-BBOXg2g?ocid=spartanntp

It ain't over.  This is NOT going to be pretty.
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So if some have accepted asylum in Mexico and some have been sent back, the caravan is shrinking as has been hoped for.

Judging from the problems in Mexico, I fear for those that are accepting asylum there, as well though.  I suspect that their safety can't really be guaranteed when tourists can't even be guaranteed safety there.  My husband began refusing to travel to Mexico for business a couple of years prior to his retirement in 2011 because it was no longer safe to do so and he was only going across the border to Tijuana...

I agree that it's not going to be pretty.
I used to think all South Americans were basically the same. I was surprised to see for myself the hatred they have for each other. The last company I worked for awarded a contract to a company known for using illegals with fake papers and SS#s. I had one come in my office his 2nd day on the job to tell me he made a mistake and gave me the wrong name and what his real name was. He was Mexican and the Foreman was Honduran. I found out later my Foreman tricked him into confessing knowing I had to run him off. The crew was about 28 mixed Mexican and Honduran. Eventually, it was 100% Honduran. Every time his company would send a Mexican, he wouldn't last more than a few days. I put 2 and 2 together when I asked the Forman what was going on. He said they leave because all Mexicans are lazy. I called his boss, first, he apologized for sending the Mexicans because they hate each other and he tries not to mix them because of the problems. It'a shame but this was my solution. When he sends a Mexican to my job, he is to tell his foreman that he would only be there until he had another job to send him to and if I find out he left because of the way he was treated, I would run off one of his family members. It's sad but, it worked.
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The U.S. Border Patrol this week reportedly told Texas landowners along the U.S.-Mexico border to prepare for a possible influx of "armed civilians" on their property as the migrant caravan moves closer to the U.S., a report said.
The Associated Press reported that these civilians say they intend to support the National Guard and Border Patrol to prevent the illegal migrants from crossing into the U.S.
But some see the move as a negative, arguing that the armed civilians' presence would add even more tension should there be a confrontation.

Three activists told the AP they were going to the border or organizing others, and groups on Facebook have posted warnings about the caravan. One said it was “imperative that we have boots on the ground.” Another wrote: “WAR! SECURE THE BORDER NOW!”
President Trump tweeted on Monday, "This is an invasion of our Country and our Military is waiting for you!"
read more at :  https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/border-patrol-warns-texas-landowners-about-‘possible-armed-civilians’-in-area-due-to-caravan-report/ar-BBP8OND?ocid=spartanntp

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Texas minute men to the rescue!  I am pretty glad I live many states away as this sounds to be very ugly!!  
649848 tn?1534633700
This "invasion" rhetoric is getting out of hand and I'm appalled at the behavior being displayed.  

Following is a story that actually came from a Fox News anchor, but I notice they've taken it off their site... I can't imagine why and I certainly wish that more people could see that he's right.  

"There is nothing at all to worry about': Fox News host Shep Smith says the migrant caravan hysteria is actually about the midterm election

Shep Smith dismissed hysteria about the migrant caravan making its way north on Fox News Monday. Fox News

    Fox News anchor Shep Smith stressed during his show Monday that the migrant caravan travelling through Mexico is nothing to worry about.
    The caravan is around two months away from the southern border of the United States, and may not make it there.
    In a 30-second clip, Smith said the hysteria stirred up over it is because the midterms are approaching.
    His remarks are yet another break between him and the Trump-supporting opinion side of Fox News.

Fox News anchor Shepard Smith broke from his coworkers on the opinion side of the company to stress that the political hysteria about the migrant caravan making its way north through Mexico is nothing to worry about.

"There is no invasion. No one is coming to get you. There is nothing at all to worry about," he said during his show on Monday.

The Trump administration, late-night opinion hosts on Fox News, and Fox News guests have been giving a daily drumbeat of stark warnings about the caravan, often with unfounded claims. On Monday, for example, a Fox News guest said — without evidence — that people travelling on the caravan may have leprosy.

But Smith said that the caravan is at least two months from reaching the southern border of the United States, if they even decided to go there. He said the conversation about it only exists because of the approaching midterm elections on November 6.

"Tomorrow, the migrants, according to Fox News reporting, are almost two months away, if any of them actually come here," he said. "But tomorrow is one week before the midterm election, which is what all of this is about."

Smith reminded his viewers of the caravan that left Central America in April, only to cause a ripple in the national conversation in May.

"When they did this to us — got us all riled up in April, remember? — the result was 14 arrests," he said. "We're America. We can handle it."

Smith has occasionally broken off from his fellow hosts on the opinion side of Fox News, all of whom are staunch supporters of Trump. In June, he said the administration was "lying" about a meeting between a Russian lawyer and Donald Trump Jr. And in November 2017, he picked apart a conspiracy theory Fox News host Sean Hannity pushed about former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and a Russian energy company.

https://www.businessinsider.com/shep-smith-fox-news-caravan-midterm-election-2018-10

The same story can be found here:
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/fox-news-shepard-smith-debunks-trumps-migrant-caravan-rhetoric-there-is-no-invasion-2018-10-29

and here:
https://thehill.com/media/413732-shep-smith-rips-trump-rhetoric-on-migrant-caravan-there-is-no-invasion-no-one-is-coming
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We agree Barb!
Did you see Trump proclaiming that women are very frightened of the young men coming into our country? Of course, why wouldn't they be since Trump has labeled them as rapists and criminals and some he assumes may be good people!
Yeah I did see that he's labeled these men as rapists and criminals, but I missed his assumption that some "may be good people" this time around.  I thought the panic he was whipping up assumed that they're all a bunch of no good scoundrels.  That's the only way he can keep his base wound up - by dragging out the racism and lies.

My question is where does it end?  At what point does his hate speech become illegal?
I think the 1st Amendment precludes outlawing this level of rhetoric and I'm not sure that isn't a good thing. What I am waiting for is to see some outrage from Republicans but I don't expect to see that any time soon. Everyone is afraid of Trump - it really is his party now.
That's what I was thinking. I keep reminding myself that my dad, uncles, brother, nephews and many others fought for his right to be this kind of jerk (putting it nicely).  I also keep hoping that people will start disliking as much as I and many others and begin seeing how dangerous he really is.  

I'm afraid you're right though; it may not be soon.
Barbe,
How do people get Hansen’s disease?
It is not known exactly how Hansen’s disease spreads between people. Scientists currently think it may happen when a person with Hansen’s disease coughs or sneezes, and a healthy person breathes in the droplets containing the bacteria. Prolonged, close contact with someone with untreated leprosy over many months is needed to catch the disease.

You cannot get leprosy from a casual contact with a person who has Hansen’s disease like:

Shaking hands or hugging
Sitting next to each other on the bus
Sitting together at a meal
Hansen’s disease is also not passed on from a mother to her unborn baby during pregnancy and it is also not spread through sexual contact.

Due to the slow-growing nature of the bacteria and the long time it takes to develop signs of the disease, it is often very difficult to find the source of infection.

armadillo
In the southern United States, some armadillos are naturally infected with the bacteria that cause Hansen’s disease.

In the southern United States, some armadillos are naturally infected with the bacteria that cause Hansen’s disease in people and it may be possible that they can spread it to people. However, the risk is very low and most people who come into contact with armadillos are unlikely to get Hansen’s disease.

For general health reasons, avoid contact with armadillos whenever possible. If you had a contact with an armadillo and are worried about getting Hansen’s disease, talk to your healthcare provider. Your doctor will follow up with you over time and perform periodic skin examinations to see if you develop the disease. In the unlikely event that you have Hansen’s disease, your doctor can help you get treatment.

Who Is at Risk?
In the U.S., Hansen’s disease is rare. Around the world, as many as 2 million people are permanently disabled as a result of Hansen’s disease.

Overall, the risk of getting Hansen’s disease for any adult around the world is very low. That’s because more than 95% of all people have a natural immunity to the disease.

You may be at risk for the disease if you live in a country where the disease is widespread. Countries that reported more than 1,000 new cases of Hansen’s disease to WHO between 2011 and 2015 are:

Africa: Democratic Republic of Congo, Ethiopia, Madagascar, Mozambique, Nigeria, United Republic of Tanzania
Asia: Bangladesh, India, Indonesia, Myanmar, Nepal, , Philippines, Sri Lanka
Americas: Brazil       https://www.cdc.gov/leprosy/transmission/index.html

It is my understanding that we have a higher risk of catching it from armadillos than we do humans. Years ago I caught one at a family reunion and let the kids chase it. Yes, I'm a Red Neck.

While we're talking about reporters, one must of read her lines wrong reporting at the scene of the Indonesian plane crash. She said they are trying to retrieve Black Box and Bodies because the Black Box may be in the Bodies. I ran and got my wife but they edited it out by the time it came back around and I got another one of those "Yeah,Sure" looks from her.
According to WebMD, you can only get Hansen's Disease (leprosy) by coming into contact repeatedly with nose/mouth droplets of someone who has the disease.  As you said, it's not passed by casual contact such as shaking hands, sitting next to each other, etc.

There are currently about 180,000 people in the world who are infected with it; most of them in Africa or Asia... About 100 people are diagnosed with leprosy in the U.S. every year, mostly in the South, California, Hawaii, and some U.S. territories.

Did you hear something about someone in the caravan having leprosy?  I know President Trump had suggested that people in the caravan might have terrible diseases that they could be subjecting our people to, but that's simply fear mongering on his part.
This is what I saw, It is at the end of the video. https://twitter.com/ndrew_lawrence/status/1057004782311927808
That's fear mongering Ricky... They haven't confirmed any of that for a fact.  Did you notice that they guy being interviewed was a "former" ICE agent?  He's not even a current employed of the U.S government, what the heck is he doing an interview talking like he knows exactly what's going on for?  

When someone besides Fox News starts reporting these things, I might believe it's true, but they're going to have to go some to prove it.
I know it was a load of crap. I was really surprised by Fox this morning. It was actually like watching a new " Fox News"I don't know if it was a fluke or they may be trying to act like a real News Source. I'll see tomorrow.
Wow, I'm sorry I missed that.  I haven't seen much of anything from Fox, other than the Trump cheerleading.  Maybe they really are trying to clean up their act.  I know there are a couple of their news people who have been going against the others and actually disagreeing with Trump and reporting things correctly.

Now, if CNN would follow suit, we might actually be able to get some accurate news.  :-)
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