Welcome back... missed having you here.
Yes, good to see you posting again !
As for Vance, he's combative about everything, then denies it. I guess he just likes to fight. Don't mind him, he's not aware of how he comes across.
Great to see you posting again! You were missed.
Not arrogant or trying to start a fight, just a joke.
really? A smidge arrogant don't you think? And for the record, Canada does still recognize the Queen even if she has no power over us. It's not something we tend to see as a problem. The US is our closest friend and ally, and we are also proud to say so. However, we do a pretty darn good job of standing on our own two feet I think. That's a rude comment to make, but I think you are trying to start a fight. Sorry, not interested.
Honestly, I don't think too much of this situation. I see it both ways and I think we try to be a little too PC, way too often in this country. As easily as the kids wearing the Stars and Bars can see as an act of defiance, I can see wearing the Mexican flag as an act of defiance. If the school wanted to really do something about the situation, no flag of any country would be allowed in school on any day.... but... I'd guess they don't want to offend anyone, culturally speaking.
From the article, I understood that there were other racial issues. Could this act of wearing a Mexican flag shirt fuel racial tensions between the hispanics and the blacks? What is being done to ease those tensions?
Again, this whole shirt issue seems to be a very small part of a larger problem and I think the people at the school are looking for a way out of this bigger issue by starting with this.
I love going go the massive Octoberfest we have in our city. It's BIG fun!
Not getting where you are coming from Vance.
I was saying it would be stupid for Americans to celebrate Boxing Day in America. And I if you live in a country you celebrate the countries holidays and not from where you are from. Maybe using Canada is wrong as an example because if it was not for the 4th then Canada might still be under the Queens control.
Been away awhile..hi all!
Vance...do you have any idea how many Americans live in Canada? We have tons of them living here for work (oil and gas). They love to celebrate the 4th, and we love to join them, because they have chosen to make this their home, even if temporarily. They are our guests, and call me crazy, but where I come from, we like to make our guests feel welcome and at home. So when they want to light off the fireworks to celebrate an important holiday TO THEM, such as the 4th of July, we accomodate even though it has no meaning in Canada. A much better attitude then the one your displaying don't you think? When they proudly wear their stars and stripes, I don't feel the need to immediately don my maple leaf. Because them celebrating the 4th isn't a slam against the country they live in, it's just them celebrating their heritage and their country. So I'll join them!!! And so will pretty much everyone else I know.
As for boxing day...yep, it's our tradition. Sorry you think it's stupid. It gives us an extra day off work for the holidays...and we don't kill each other shopping for deals. No one seems to get hurt. Hmmmm.....
That's all I have to say. A few more posts I want to comment on, and a few messages to return (thanks for thinking about me). Missed you all, but it's late and it's bedtime. Couldn't resist posting on this one though!
would it be okay to you if they were wearing them to make some kind of statement to the kids that were celebrating May 5th?
I think we are the same in terms of kids treating others, I think it is intolerant of others not to respect the views of the American flag students.
Well, we have to disagree then.
If it were my kids and they were pulling out the flag shirt because they knew kids were celebrating cinco de maya and they wanted to make a statement "THIS IS AMERICA!" . . . I'd feel like I failed as a parent.
Because I value diversity and try to instill those values into my kids. And if I fail, I'll be really disappointed in myself.
Those kids' parents failed them in my eyes.
But Vance, it is clear we don't look at this the same way. We have different ideas of how a kid should act toward their fellow students.
Never said anyone should not care but if I moved to Italy I would not be lighting off fire works on the 4th.
It is not an ugly American to show pride no matter what the reason is and we don't fully know why these kids wore the shirts. But if latino kids want to show pride of Mexico (but there is a huge reason why they left) then fine, but don't start junk if in America someone wants to show pride in America on the same day. Nothing about May 5th is special in this country.
I see the big picture but intolerance is not part of it.
BTW, in this age of ex pats . . . do you think the kids whose parents took assignments in other countries or they've moved there with their families should no longer care about America?
Okay, you are kind of missing what I am saying. Small picture (where you are stuck) is that no, it isn't right to ask the kids to turn their flags inside out. BIG picture (more important to me) is that they were wearing the shirts not to show pride but to be ugly Americans and stick it to those who want to . . . for a day . . . openly celebrate where their family is from.
Big picture is intolerance but you have to stop and think about it.
So we have to respect the right of others to show pride in another country but showing pride in our own country is frowned upon because??
Everything in America is just a bunch of PC BS.
Ha, well. I'm going to ask you to plug all the circuits in Vance. The intolerance comes in the form of caring if someone is proud of their duel status in this country.
While I don't agree that turning the flag inside out on the surface is something I'd be happy about . . . I have a problem with bratty Americans who think that only America matters and that someone who is 'newer' to this country and wants to show some pride for their heritage is doing anything wrong. Really . . . that gives a BAD name to being American.
So, surface level . . . no. The kids shouldn't have to turn their shirts inside out but the big picture was for why they chose to wear it. And that is as un-American as it gets and really, I'd be ashamed for them to wear a symbol of this country for that reason.
We are AMERICANS. If our great ancestors came from another country great, but we are Americans.
Intolorant because other kids want to show pride for OUR flag? Far from being intolerant.
Why not celebrate something that is meaningful to you? It doesn't mean that you can't appreciate MaNY different things in life. We are evolved human beings that can love that we are Irish, German, etc. and also love America. We are not simple people but complex human beings, right?
I think in a situation in which the fear of violence or race tension is prevalent and someone is just trying to stir the pot (and being intolerant)-- then you have to shut it down. Those kids parents should tell them to be kinder to their fellow students in my opinion and not let them wear the t shirt just to be 'in their face'. But if it were a true problem, I'd ban all t shirts for that day to be fair. But it is ridiculous that our youth is intolerant like that in my opinion.
Then why be in America if you want to celebrate how great your country is? The only part the actually bothers me is the ruling in this case that American studens were denied the right to wear OUR flag while other American students could wear a flag of another country.
Americans celebrate all kinds of things Vance. I wouldn't call it stupid to be honest and to me, it seems silly to let such a thing bother you.
Truth is, if I had a strong affiliation with my natural heritage, it would be an honor to show that. We are a diverse nation and certainly not so insecure that someone showing patriotism to their heritage on one day of celebration shouldn't intimidate us or anger us. That is so odd to me.
We wear starts and stripes on July 4th. We wear green shirts on St. Patty's day. Maybe we wear a shirt we got in Mexico on Cinco de Mayo. Maybe it even has a Mexican flag on it. My son wears a soccer jersey his dad got him in Italy that has the Italian flag on it all the time. He loves it. Does his wearing another flag mean he isn't American enough? Don't get that. And if I came to this country and wanted to wear a shirt with the flag on it from where it came from . . . why would that bother anyone?
Personally, we take opportunities to teach our kids about other cultures. My son has a bestie that moved here from Central America. His family speaks Spanish most of the time at home. We love it . . . our son goes to their house and is immersed into another culture. Would I want this family to not speak Spanish? No, I hope my son learns it. Would I want them to decide that they should only be loyal to America now and throw away their roots? No. If that kid wanted to wear the flag of the country where he was born on a holiday that was celebrated in his country--- why would anyone flipping care? Very weird to me.
May 5th in America is nothing more then a reason to drink and for corporations to market it so they can make $$$.
It's like America celebrating Boxing Day. Stupid to do so and if some Canucks wanted to wear the maple leaf then Americans should wear the Stars and Bars.
I'm loving my Mid West city . . . things that are harmless stay that way. For now, anyway.
BTW: My son's shirtt actually says "I'm lucky because I'm Irish". It's MY green shirt ready for St. Patty's day that says "Kiss me, I'm Irish"
Maybe there would be less tension if people didn't make such a big deal out of things.
You can't wear a "kiss me I'm Irish" shirt here.....