advanced treatment for indigestion?

[seekanswers2012]

my fd seemed useless and ignorant on this condition.  both ideas put forth from her about ppi and antacid seemed bad.

curry soup seemed to be doing wonders but i 'm wondering on an actual cure so i won't need to be so dependent on it. has anybody discovered an advanced treatment and/or cure to chronic indigestion?  it seem to be always there so far if i don;t apply curry after meal.

i suspect hot sauce in general works and do try to source non-gmo version if possible.

[seekanswers2012]

i meant no ill -will as well.  but you seemed to be changing your tone.  first of all ,you were advocating for ppi.  then i cited the negative research on ppi and you backed off.

then you like accused my of  being suspicious  over nothing.  and gerd diagnosis was not made by me but by the gi doctor.  the report stated biopsy was taken also.  

doesn't seem you liked to admit that there can be bad doctors out there.  and you didn't seem to acknowledge the gmo danger as well.

you  questioned me about my food allergy and then you accused me of not having an open-mind.  hmm.. i don't know.  maybe you should look into growing food allergy problem facing this generation more before dismissing this issue.

i think silverfox also thought gmo was a problem.  



oh i can be open-minded. but i must disagree on your advocating of ppi. if you don't want to believe the risks of ppi, that's your choice. i don't feel my position's a symptom of not having an open-mind.  i already looked at different sides.  had you done the same?

doesn't seem you wanted to acknowledge the negative research on ppi.

[Flycaster305]

Yikes!  
I was responding to your initial post when I suggested you should listen with an open mind.

An Endoscopy doesn't check for acid reflux, it checks for damage caused by acid.  There are tests that check for acidity in your esophagus.

Read my response of August 14, yes indeed, a cause of my acid reflux was discovered, a surgical fix worked, and I thankfully haven't had problems since.  

I do believe younger, trained minds are better at problem solving health issues.  That is why I have changed to a young cardiologist who is keeping me alive with new ideas.  I have congestive heart failure.  I was a big believer in 'natural' cures for a long time, and I've paid a huge price for it, as I hurt my health with making assumptions without an open mind.  I mean no harm or angst, and wish you good health.

[seekanswers2012]

ok , i can be open-minded.  but just because you are twice someone's else don't automatically make you right.  have you listened to elderly doctors speaking out about gmo dangers? i have look at different sides of the argument.  doctors aren't always giving good advices, for your own sake , one should do his or her own research as well and not solely rely on the doctor.

let's be logical here. but if you are a denialist of the gmo issue, i think that's a close-mined start.  about the food i mentioned before that i was allergic to, it never happened before.  i don't feel its normal for my age given i'm only half your age.

and was there revelation of fda and gmo corruption when you were my age?

First, i was given endoscopy and was diagnosed gerd. and the GI doc only recommended me to fd's medicine which i looked into and only does gas.

And there are documented side effect’s to ppi.   stopping acid can lead to bacterial overgrowth. Are your open to that possibility?


“Acid stopping drugs promote bacterial overgrowth, weaken our resistance to infection, reduce absorption of essential nutrients, and increase the likelihood of developing IBS, other digestive disorders, and cancer. The pharmaceutical companies have always been aware of these risks. When acid-stopping drugs were first introduced, it was recommended that they not be taken for more than six weeks. Clearly this prudent advice has been discarded, as it is not uncommon today to encounter people who have been on these drugs for decades – not weeks.”

“GERD is an extremely common problem in the U.S.. 44% of Americans suffer from it at least once a month, and 20% suffer from it weekly. (1) Drug companies make $7 billion a year selling acid suppressing drugs – primarily proton pump inhibitors (PPIs) like Prilosec and Aciphex.” -   http://chriskresser.com/is-gerd-an-autoimmune-disease

I suppose you would argue against chris kresser, whom is a doctor by the way.


“PPIs (as well as other antacid preparations), by suppressing acid-mediated breakdown of proteins, lead to an elevated risk of one's developing food allergies. These undigested proteins then pass into the gastrointestinal tract, potentially leading to sensitization to a range of foods or drugs. It is unclear whether this risk occurs with only long-term use or with short-term use as well.” -  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proton-pump_inhibitors

Have you received any explanation as to cause for your gerd?  Or you simply assumed it was something that just naturally happened?


And no, just to show that I’m open-mined, I’m not automatically suspicious. I’m only suspicious when there sound reason to do so.

And don’t always play the age card. It’s not a guarantee of anything. I had heard elderly doctors and scientists spoke out against GMOs.  Does there age make them automatically right? The answer’s no.  logic and evidence are what counts.  Experiences can matter but if your experience is not in a medical field, does that mean it trumps a doctor’s experience even if he or she is of younger age than your’s?  


Even though I’m your junior, I have no problem admitting that someone younger than me can be more knowledgable in certain areas than me.  Either because they are more gifted or more experience in a certain area.  The world is full of surprises.  And there are some genius out there even at young ages.  I hope you would consider what I said.

[Flycaster305]

I'm not as suspicious as you, but I'm more than twice your age.  During that time, I've learned that condemnation prior to investigation is a guarantee of ignorance.
  
Did you have a test to determine that you have low acid?  If so, what test?

In my case, I had a bowel obstruction at age 68.  I was an amateur/street fighter in my youth, and got, apparently, too many hits to the gut.  In my old age the scar tissue caused a bowel obstruction and I vomited so violently that the LES valve at the bottom of the esophagus was destroyed.  The bowel obstruction was relieved with surgery, but it was touch and go, and vomit entered my lungs, and it was wonderful drugs that kept me on the sunny side of the earth.  Later, I had to have surgery to correct the LES valve failure, and in the meantime my teeth started turning black from the acid reflux.  My teeth were coated, drugs helped with the acid reflux and protected my teeth.
Just something to think about.  

[seekanswers2012]

cuz she had the nerve to prescribe antacid when my symptoms were of indigestion.  if you already have low acid, why the heck would you lower that even more with ppi?

it is in people's best interest to think critically for themselves these days, especially when the fda has been   corrupt,as reported in the news as well.

bear in mind greed and commerical interests are at play, food and pharma industries are big businesses.

[silverfox67]

    I had a TIF two years ago when I was 67.  Yep, going on 70 pretty soon.
     My TIF seems to have failed - I have a hernia and I can burp - which I do frequently.   My two-year check up is in October this year.  Don't know what my surgeon is going to say or do about it.
   I will have another Bravo and endoscopy.  Maybe another Barium swallow.  But, I don't know if he'll want to repeat the surgery to repair or what.  I really don't know if I want to go through that again.  On the other hand, I don't like hurting like this every night.
    The probiotics and enzymes help some and at first the Dexilant seemed to be the answer... now I'm not so sure of anything.
      I've just been diagnosed with osteoporosis - probably due to so many years of PPi's.  You can't absorb calcium properly taking antacids. :(  

So glad you Nissen worked for you.  I was born without an LES, so the fundoplication was supposed to "give" me one.
     I don't have Barrett's - surprisingly enough.  But I was taking Dicyclomine so I could swallow - sometimes the food seemed to "stick" in my throat.
    Hope everyone gets well soon.

[Flycaster305]

I'm curious, Silverfox, how old were you when you had the Fundoplication?  Did you develop Barrett's Esophagus?  
I had a Nissen Fundoplication about six years ago with outstanding results, and I'm always all ears how long they last. It has been wonderful to be free of GERD symptoms.  You are right, you can't can't belch or vomit.  I can eke out tiny little burps, and the bottom is the only exit.  However, I've found I've learned to eat in moderation, keeping portions small, which keeps me comfortable.  Also, I have a serious heart problem, and don't eat processed foods.
Seekinganswers, PPI's can really help, but one must take them exactly as prescribed or they will do no good at all.  Generally, one takes them 1/2 to 1 hour prior to a major meal.  Don't eat three to four hours before sleeping, and raise the head of you bed about 6 inches.  You should get more relief.  I question if you are allergic to brocolli, apples and eggs.   Everyone gets gas from broccoli and apples, I think, at least I do.  Eggs are usually cooked with oil, butter, cream, etc., and that may be your problem.  I'm not a doctor, so take what I say with that in mind.  However, if you don't have confidence in your FD regarding this issue, ask to be referred to a Gastroenterologist or Internist.  
Keep us informed.

[silverfox67]

     I'm glad the curry works for you.  Each one of us is different and it is hard to discover exactly what works.

     The fact that you have developed so many new food allergies makes me wonder if you have an autoimmune disease like  Lupus.  Have you been checked for Lupus?  How are your iron levels?  High iron can make one very sick.  
    Sorry - your question was really for a cure for heartburn.
     I had a fundoplication - the top of my stomach was stapled to the bottom of my esophagus as I was born without a LES muscle. (I've had heartburn all my life).  It seems though, that my surgery has come loose and will have to repeat the operation. :(  
     There are several types of fundoplications,  Linx, Nissen, and TIF. (I had the TIF).  Probably others I don't know about.  All of them are surgeries that try to rebuild or repair the LES at the top of the stomach.  When you have this surgery, however, you cannot belch, burp or vomit.  If you eat the wrong foods it can cause a bloat that has only one way out - your bottom!

      Hope this information is helpful.   Wishing you the best,  Silverfox

[Flycaster305]

I'm curious, why did your family doctor seem useless and ignorant?  

[seekanswers2012]

thanks for the info. actually i tried sauerkaut and it hasn't work as well as curry soup.  so curry remains the best reliefer for me thus far. i'm already gmo- free for some time now.

and i have recently new food allergy issues. i can't do apples,brocolli, hybrid mango, eggs regardless gmo or not.

[silverfox67]

Cayenne pepper is supposed to help.  Nux Vomica is a natural supplement that supposedly cures ulcers according to Dr. Stengler (Natural Physician).  
     Nux Vomica is available at health food stores or from Amazon.
      One tablespoon of apple cider vinegar in a glass of water also helps.  And cabbage in every way - coleslaw, sauerkraut, in soup, or fried in real butter.  
Pickles can stop the burning temporarily also.  
         Nothing seems to cure this problem and I  suspect it has to do with the fact that most of our food has been modified.  

      Might ask your doctor for Dexilant.  Seems to work best for me of all the antacids out there.
       Best of everything...