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A HBV patient's request of his doctor.

2007 AASLD Guideline for chronic HBV offers IFN and antiviral drugs as treatments. IFN has such strong side effects that my ability to drive and work cannot be assured and its cure rate is 4% or below. Antivirals such as Entecavir (Baraclude), Telbivudine (Tyzeka), Tenofovir, Adefovir (Hepsera), lamivudine (Epivir-HBV) have less upfront side effects but their long term consequences hurt patients even more: possible lifetime dependency, resistence issue, cost burden, toxicity, possible link to neuropathy, nephropathy and cancer, etc. With all these consequences the cure rate is a miserable below 1%!  That is why I choose to manage my chronic HBV with foods, herbs and adjusted life style. And I need my PCP to help me monitor the results of my effort.
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1191262 tn?1366763021
Hi Cajim

How to manage HBV only with food, herbs and healthy lifestyle? Who is dr. Liu? What is his treatment?
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We can edit the description, but not the name. Is there an admin ?

--Not sure.

so that people try them as first option, instead of anti-virals

--It takes more commitment to use the alternative treatment as other threads will show.

--Thank you for your nice words.
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948882 tn?1270553807
We can edit the description, but not the name. Is there an admin ?

The other option is to open a new forum and transfer the current content.

Nice to see your posts!!

I always liked your posts on HBV forum and learned a lot though them. I want to help streamline some of the alternative treatment options, so that people try them as first option, instead of anti-virals.
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Not sure how to change the forum name.

"I am hoping in this forum, alternate treatments are discussed."

--Me too.
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948882 tn?1270553807
One suggestion : Can you change the forum name to :
  HBV - non anti-viral treatment options
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948882 tn?1270553807
I understand and share your frustration. I am not very fond of antiviral treatments, especially when I feel perfectly healthy, but advised to go on treatment.

I am hoping in this forum, alternate treatments are discussed.
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With my current understanding of the Western treatments of HBV, I am uncomfortable at pushing fellow HBVers to piles of chemicals when 1) they only control not cure; 2) resistance is a problem down the road; 3) even if chemists can concoct new chemicals fast enough that replace the ones that become useless due to resistance, damage due to toxicity is already done to the body, particularly to the liver; 4) even though these chemicals produce beautiful lab results, case after case of tearful, painful, desperate and impoverished accounts by HBVers themselves or their families in Chinese HBV site so sadly show that normal ALT, AST, HBV-DNA, even negative HBsAg mean little to patients of years of chemical consumption who have to face cirrhosis, ascites, HCC when they are physically, emotionally and financially drained to such weakness that "No treatment at all," some of them say, "may give them a better chance."
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Western medicine, take Baraclude as an example, is very exact and accurate in drug components and drug goal of controlling virus replication.  It is also very clear in stating possible side-effects and toxicity on the label.  By so doing the patient is responsible for all adverse consequences of taking the drug.

Layman Chinese medicine also doesn’t hesitate to use poison to attack poison.  For example, one treatment uses poison from plants and animals to attack the virus but more than two-thirds of the 22 components of prescription 3 actually are used not to kill but to nurture and protect liver, kidney, spleen, stomach, intestines and other organs from the poison of the few components in the prescription.  Why?  Because Chinese medicine believes that the body is a connected whole, illness comes in when balance is broken, and to cure is to restore balance, not just dealing with the affected organ.

Palace-style Chinese medicine on the other hand tries to avoid any toxicity as much as possible, even at the cost of a slower cure.  Why?  Because when you treat the king, you may be beheaded even if you have cured the king but in the process you have made him uncomfortable with one or two side-effects.  How lucky are the western doctors!  They never have to be responsible for the side-effects of drugs.  2007 guideline and clearly printed label are their protection.
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