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ARS after 6 days?
Hey all. I feel like there's a chance that I might have made a huge mistake and given my gf HIV. Here it is in a nutshell. My last exposure was a little under 10 weeks ago. I had protected oral AND vaginal sex with a sex worker. Stupidly, I didn't ask her HIV status. Anyway, a couple weeks ago, I took an 8 week Oraquick test. Results were negative. Before that, I took a ELISA blood test 6 weeks post expsure and that was negative and a PCR DNA test / ELISA 2 weeks after the exposure and that came back negative too. Per the doctor's advice, after the 8 week test I put my worries to rest. However, 6 days ago, I had unprotected sex with a girl that I'm dating. Last night, she came down with a fever and sore throat. So now I'm worried that she's experiencing ARS symptoms. Please advise? Can ARS show up that soon?
hi to all. i want to know if there is any scope of hiv infection if i have rubbed my penis against vagina of a female sex worker. i had fever after 6 days with body ache and weakness and a mild cut on my penis which does not pain much. i got my pcr and p24 tests done after 14 days post exposure and it has come out to be negative.
Please help what other disease i might have caught if not hiv
What other tests can i get done to overcome my anxiety
Please help what other disease i might have caught if not hiv
What other tests can i get done to overcome my anxiety
Im not turned into an expert im just mostly reposting Drs answers, and yes Im one of the worried people, and wanted a Dr. answer to my risk exposure, to be sure that my thoughts where right, anyway I just tried to give more info to the worried people, and not my personal opinion just facts I found by researching, please let me know if you think I have done any harm to anyone, or given wrong information, I just tried to help, if you think I did or wrote something wrong, let me know and explain me why, and I stop posting and triying to help inmidiatly.
I just wanted to help.
I just wanted to help.
You turned into an expert since March 26, but yet you couldn't answer this.
On febrary mi wife and I dicided to divorce, I went to a sanity contoled prostitute club, A girl made a strip show for me and I brevely kissed her niples (no milk visible), touch her body, and brevely for about 3 or 4 seconds I touched her vagina (she was with a very small nylon tong) no fingering just with my fingers over the tong in her vagina area, I didnt had any vissible cuts on my fingers just an overcut nail, just after this she tried to kiss me, I closed my lips and went to the bathroom washed my hands with soap and alcohol my overcut nail it hurted with the alcohol, and washed my mouth with listerine, after this we got naked into the hot tub, she sat on me but i didnt have and erection netheir was a penetration, this was for just a few minutes, i had a few mosquito bites on my legs and torso, but I didnt saw any bleeding cut on her body, I ask her to make another strip show while I masturbate myself, after a minutes since I couldnt finish she put a condom on me and while I was masturbating with the condom all the way to the bottom of my penis she kissed and suked just the head of my penis when I ejaculated I went to the bathroom and check the condom filled with water and it was perfect with no leaks , after this I washed my hands again with alcohol and soap and my penis with water.
How is that ECN44120?
On febrary mi wife and I dicided to divorce, I went to a sanity contoled prostitute club, A girl made a strip show for me and I brevely kissed her niples (no milk visible), touch her body, and brevely for about 3 or 4 seconds I touched her vagina (she was with a very small nylon tong) no fingering just with my fingers over the tong in her vagina area, I didnt had any vissible cuts on my fingers just an overcut nail, just after this she tried to kiss me, I closed my lips and went to the bathroom washed my hands with soap and alcohol my overcut nail it hurted with the alcohol, and washed my mouth with listerine, after this we got naked into the hot tub, she sat on me but i didnt have and erection netheir was a penetration, this was for just a few minutes, i had a few mosquito bites on my legs and torso, but I didnt saw any bleeding cut on her body, I ask her to make another strip show while I masturbate myself, after a minutes since I couldnt finish she put a condom on me and while I was masturbating with the condom all the way to the bottom of my penis she kissed and suked just the head of my penis when I ejaculated I went to the bathroom and check the condom filled with water and it was perfect with no leaks , after this I washed my hands again with alcohol and soap and my penis with water.
How is that ECN44120?
Juvi, no misteries, there would thounsands new researchs, and studies being placed around the world know, and having new tecnology aplied to this researchs and studies, the cientifics get more knoledge about this disease, so the facts arent steady, the move along with the knowledge, if you read testing guidelines from 1985 probably the window period was 24 months, and if you read the 1995 guidelines was 6 months, and the 2005 guidelines says 3 months, probably the next guidelines will say 9 week (as some countries guidelines says know), becouse the knoledege of the disease as well as the testing methods and tecnology of it are improving, transmision havent change it has the same 3 ways of transmision of 30 years ago, unprotected sex, sharing needles, and mother to baby.
Lizzie sorry about my mispelling of italian, since I`m italian english is not my first lenguage, and I learned in the US more than 10 years ago, since i forgot a few things of the lenguage.
Teak what kind of games you think I`m playing, I just tried to help peolple in the forum as you do, I just reposted the Drs, answer.
For Jay if you want to know how the test are done to come up with the 3 month mark window period, you can find a lot of research made in several countries in this page
http://.ucsf.edu/InSite?page=kb-02-02-01#S3X
Teak what kind of games you think I`m playing, I just tried to help peolple in the forum as you do, I just reposted the Drs, answer.
For Jay if you want to know how the test are done to come up with the 3 month mark window period, you can find a lot of research made in several countries in this page
http://.ucsf.edu/InSite?page=kb-02-02-01#S3X
CDC and the doctors here are giving the exact same info just worded differently:
lets take the CDC advice, sentence by sentence ( the parts in quotes are all found in the CDC site):
" Most people will develop detectable antibodies within 2 to 8 weeks (the average is 25 days) ".
this sentence is 100% consistent with what the docs here say. The difference is that the docs give THEIR estimates of how much is "most people", which is 98%-99% of the people, according to them.
lets continue
"Even so, there is a chance that some individuals will take longer to develop detectable antibodies. Therefore, if the initial negative HIV test was conducted within the first 3 months after possible exposure, repeat testing should be considered >3 months after the exposure occurred to account for the possibility of a false-negative result."
CDC says "some individuals", do they say what kind of people could take longer to develop antibodies? just what or who are these "individuals"? who knows! just remember CDC has to be extremely conservative because anyone going to their site or accesing their info would follow their protocol, the individuals could be a drug junkie with a supressed immune system in Denmark, or someone who took some strange, extreme medicine in the Arab emirates, that messed up the antybodies production, or could be ANYONE with an specific case too. The docs don't speak against a 3 month window period, they just tend to think that antibody production post 8 weeks is something that happens in a case by case basis, not on people with absolutely normal lifes that do excersice, don't take drugs or alcohol, or have taken chimo or strong medicines, which by the way, makes 98-99% of the people.
lets continue
"Ninety-seven percent of persons will develop antibodies in the first 3 months following the time of their infection. In very rare cases, it can take up to 6 months to develop antibodies to HIV. "
exactly what the docs say: most people would have developed anybodies by the 3rd month. the things is the docs are kind enough to tell us that the last weeks of the window period are there to catch EVERYONE on the net, that means the "individuals" with specific cases of late seroconversion, which make 1% or 2% of all the people that will turn positive.
so what then? well, take a test past the 8 weeks line and watch the results. If it is still negative, stay calm, believe what the docs say and keep the hope that you are not one of the very rare individuals that zeroconvert in the later part of the window period, PERIOD.
lets take the CDC advice, sentence by sentence ( the parts in quotes are all found in the CDC site):
" Most people will develop detectable antibodies within 2 to 8 weeks (the average is 25 days) ".
this sentence is 100% consistent with what the docs here say. The difference is that the docs give THEIR estimates of how much is "most people", which is 98%-99% of the people, according to them.
lets continue
"Even so, there is a chance that some individuals will take longer to develop detectable antibodies. Therefore, if the initial negative HIV test was conducted within the first 3 months after possible exposure, repeat testing should be considered >3 months after the exposure occurred to account for the possibility of a false-negative result."
CDC says "some individuals", do they say what kind of people could take longer to develop antibodies? just what or who are these "individuals"? who knows! just remember CDC has to be extremely conservative because anyone going to their site or accesing their info would follow their protocol, the individuals could be a drug junkie with a supressed immune system in Denmark, or someone who took some strange, extreme medicine in the Arab emirates, that messed up the antybodies production, or could be ANYONE with an specific case too. The docs don't speak against a 3 month window period, they just tend to think that antibody production post 8 weeks is something that happens in a case by case basis, not on people with absolutely normal lifes that do excersice, don't take drugs or alcohol, or have taken chimo or strong medicines, which by the way, makes 98-99% of the people.
lets continue
"Ninety-seven percent of persons will develop antibodies in the first 3 months following the time of their infection. In very rare cases, it can take up to 6 months to develop antibodies to HIV. "
exactly what the docs say: most people would have developed anybodies by the 3rd month. the things is the docs are kind enough to tell us that the last weeks of the window period are there to catch EVERYONE on the net, that means the "individuals" with specific cases of late seroconversion, which make 1% or 2% of all the people that will turn positive.
so what then? well, take a test past the 8 weeks line and watch the results. If it is still negative, stay calm, believe what the docs say and keep the hope that you are not one of the very rare individuals that zeroconvert in the later part of the window period, PERIOD.
I don't want to start anything with anybody (esp. Teak) but I was just wondering how exactly the FDA and the people who design the test arrive at the conclusive 3 month mark? What kind of testing (for the test) could they possibly do?
Im Italyan why?
For worriedman402
The most of the people get tested becouse they are worried about a particular exposure and becouse like you and me in the past, began looking for ARS symtoms all over the body, but the important thing is the exposure, not ARS symptoms, for instance if someone recieved oral sex with a condom from a partner with unkown hiv status, and has all the symtoms of ARS, an someone else had unprotected anal intercourse with partner with Hiv and a very high viral load, after the sex they used the same needle to do IV drugs but not presented any ARS symtoms, which of the 2 has more chance to get infected by HIV (the second one), but since ARS are present only in the half of people infected with Hiv they doesnt matter at the time to judge the risk of the exposure, they netheir increase or decrease the chance of being infected.
For worriedman402
The most of the people get tested becouse they are worried about a particular exposure and becouse like you and me in the past, began looking for ARS symtoms all over the body, but the important thing is the exposure, not ARS symptoms, for instance if someone recieved oral sex with a condom from a partner with unkown hiv status, and has all the symtoms of ARS, an someone else had unprotected anal intercourse with partner with Hiv and a very high viral load, after the sex they used the same needle to do IV drugs but not presented any ARS symtoms, which of the 2 has more chance to get infected by HIV (the second one), but since ARS are present only in the half of people infected with Hiv they doesnt matter at the time to judge the risk of the exposure, they netheir increase or decrease the chance of being infected.
Oh ok. Did they have so-called classic symptoms then which made them go for a test?
Please forget about ARS, 50% of hiv positive people didnt had ARS, so they are not reliable, and 95% of the people that was 110% sure they got hiv until they 3 month test was negative, and finally realizing they didnt had Hiv, had all they suposed ARS simtoms disaperead instanly, so forget about ARS symptoms.
Yes that is what I said in the las line, that for being 100% sure he needs 12 week = 3 Month test to be 100% sure
He needs to take the 3 month test anyway because there are no test that will give you a conclusive negative test before 3 months.
Poor jay now he is more confused than before posting, so do I, please jay, ask one of the dr. to ***** your specific risk, and then you will have the answer yo needed.
My opinion is that if you had protected oral and vaginal sex and the condom didnt broke, your exposure was indeed protected so by the Drs. advice you test wasnt even warranted, since you have tested several times the last one 8 week I`ll repost a Dr. Answer
but here's one more fact that might be helpful- at eight weeks over 98% of tests that are going to be positive will be, thus unless you are at extraordinarily high risk, my tendency is to agree with the Spanish MD and tell you that you have nothing to worry about and do not need further testing (NOTE you where at a very very small risk)
Another Drs Post.
You had a single exposure to a commercial sex worker (CSW). Your chances of having gotten HIV from this exposure are extraordinarily low. Here's why:
1, Chances are, your partner did not have HIV. Most CSWs do not.
2. Your chance of getting HIV, if she was infected is less than one in 1000 per exposure.
3. You have had an HIV test at 5 weeks. After 5 weeks between 85 and 90% of tests that are going to become positive will have.
When you put all of these facts together, your chances of being infected from the exposure you describe is less than one 100th of 1%. If you get retested in the future, you will be a little bit, but not much more sure that you are not infected. If I were you I would take the results I have, forget about your risk of having gotten infected and move on with your life. I would not get further testing. EWH
I hope this help you Jay, anyway if you are not comfort with less than 100th of 1%, like 0,01% (99,99% sure) take the 12 week test and get 100% sure you are negative.
My opinion is that if you had protected oral and vaginal sex and the condom didnt broke, your exposure was indeed protected so by the Drs. advice you test wasnt even warranted, since you have tested several times the last one 8 week I`ll repost a Dr. Answer
but here's one more fact that might be helpful- at eight weeks over 98% of tests that are going to be positive will be, thus unless you are at extraordinarily high risk, my tendency is to agree with the Spanish MD and tell you that you have nothing to worry about and do not need further testing (NOTE you where at a very very small risk)
Another Drs Post.
You had a single exposure to a commercial sex worker (CSW). Your chances of having gotten HIV from this exposure are extraordinarily low. Here's why:
1, Chances are, your partner did not have HIV. Most CSWs do not.
2. Your chance of getting HIV, if she was infected is less than one in 1000 per exposure.
3. You have had an HIV test at 5 weeks. After 5 weeks between 85 and 90% of tests that are going to become positive will have.
When you put all of these facts together, your chances of being infected from the exposure you describe is less than one 100th of 1%. If you get retested in the future, you will be a little bit, but not much more sure that you are not infected. If I were you I would take the results I have, forget about your risk of having gotten infected and move on with your life. I would not get further testing. EWH
I hope this help you Jay, anyway if you are not comfort with less than 100th of 1%, like 0,01% (99,99% sure) take the 12 week test and get 100% sure you are negative.
I have had friends that have had ARS but for myself I didn't have ARS. That is why you will always be told to forget about symptoms. HIV has no specific symptoms and not all people will have ARS.
also did this person you know have ARS? If so, how many weeks did that take?Thanks
So.. accordingly to you, docs give wrong advices ... they say ~100% at 8 weeks but you have seen a lot of people testing poz after 8 weeks.. why dont you get into a dicussion with the doctors?? (im not trying to arguee, but you have to understand that information you give is different that the docs give, and thats something to worry about)
besides all the dual and distortioned info that one could get from different web pages, its very hard when in the SAME page you get that dual information...
besides all the dual and distortioned info that one could get from different web pages, its very hard when in the SAME page you get that dual information...
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