HIV Transmission to Plantar's Wart

[dosomegood]

I went to a high traffic adult video shop (it's situated on a major Interstate between two close major midwest cities).  The shop also offers strip shows and private nude "massages".  Regretably I received one.   For the first 15-20 minutes I massaged the girl (just her back and legs),  I was nude and my penis was rubbing on the side of the massage bed.  She had put a "clean" sheet over a base sheet (which is not changed between clients) so I was brushing against that with my penis.   Anyway, I'm not concerned to much about the handjob I received from her.  The Doctors forum has made it pretty clear that the risk from her masterbating me even when it results in abrasion (I received a rather large one on my shaft) is ZERO.  The room has black carpet and I was standing up without socks on.  I didn't think about it till later but I'm sure the floor in there is pretty disgusting. My concern is over where I was standing and here is why.  I had totally forgot about a long term plantars wart on the ball of my foot (it's about 1/8inch across).  This thing constantly is irritated and always looks like it's ready to bleed/oose or has recently bled.   If I fool with it just a little it will oose.  The floor was cold so I couldn't tell if it was damp, wet,  etc...  I'm just concerned about some prior customers ejaculate soaked in the carpet gettting into that wart given it is in the most high pressure area of the foot when standing and given that the wart is in a constant state of healing if more T-Cells would be present which are necessary for infection to occur.    

Appreciate a response from Teak.  Thanks much for your time and patience.  

[dosomegood]

Thanks to all of you for your thoughtful replys.  Xhost, especially thank you for taking the time of giving your thoughtful reply.   I have an appointment to see a Psychiatrist next week.  I clearly need some help to deal with my larger issues and I will put this irrational fear behind me.  

Xhost are you a medical professional or counselor in your day job? You certainly seem like one.   I could not tell from your medhelp bio page.  

Again Thanks to everyone.   Your time is your most valuable resource and you donating it here in the service of others is to be applauded.  

End of thread for me. Unless someone asks me a question.  

[LIZZIE LOU]

to summarize that...SEEK PROFESSIONAL MENTAL HELP

[Xhost]

You have hit the nail on the head: "...really trying to get my arms around this obsessive and potentially destructive sexual outlet." This is the real problem, in my opinion. You are acting out in ways that make you feel you committed a moral transgression, crossed some internal moral boundary, and your punishment is the HIV anxiety.

Ok, a bit of dime story psychology, but your story is actually quite familiar. I know how it must feel to be going through this right now. I have been through something very similar myself. And about ten people a day show up here in the same predicament. HIV was not my problem, and HIV is not the problem of the aforementioned ten people. And, from the sound of it, it is not really your problem either.

For the record, however you feel about your present behavior, none of what you have described is a risk for contracting HIV. I am very surprised your physician even advised you to get a test. Of course, not all doctors are up on the mechanics of HIV transmission, though you would think they should be.

It sounds as if you are going through some fairly heavy things. I am not a psychologist, and even if I were, it would be very difficult at best to provide the proper guidance via the Internet. What I suggest is that, rather than keeping all of these feelings, anxieties and fear bottled up inside, speak to someone about them. Not your wife, not your physician, but instead someone who is trained to provide you with the guidance that you need at this point in your life. It sounds as if you would benefit from a bit of counseling. No shame in it, none at all. Sometimes, when faced with difficult circumstances, the simple act of talking them out helps. And, the insight you might gain from counseling will prove very beneficial.

No reason to go through this alone, especially when help is out there if you will only avail yourself of it. As for being a mathematician, and the calculation of odds, it is one thing to intellectually understand one's situation, it is another to be able to step outside of oneself long enough to rationally break down cause and effect. Emotions often trump logic, as you know. But, keep in mind, emotions are not facts. Fear is not fact. And the fact is, whatever else you are dealing with now, what you are not dealing with is any conceivable chance that you have contracted HIV. You have not.

Good luck to you as you deal with the emotional components of your present situation. If nothing else helps, try to remember that, with time, this too shall pass.

[dosomegood]

Thank you for the input and advice.  

Certainly have pondered on the negative emotions this has caused me.   Over the last 4months, I have had many weak moments.  

Why?  I cannot rightly explain, Stress of losing my job of 20+ years?, poor relationship with my wife of 19 years,  having no children, mid-life 40's crisis.... who knows.   I had a weak moment October 13th with a stripper (19 year AA gal, very pretty only dancing for 6months, said she wasn't a CSW).  Anyway she performed a lap dance for me and then reached in (sorry I ever let her...) and grabbed my penis to "adjust" it for a better dance which she contined for another 10-15minutes (rubbing her rear and crotch on my lap (my zipper was open but willie was out of the underwear but still under my trousers (her bottoms were on... some sort of skinny bikini bottom). Occasionally, I could feel her skin on my penis, which would cause me to push it back under and away   Anyway her nails CUT my penis at the base of the shaft where it connects to the sack, cut was actually more on the sack.  I felt a poke, but didn't really know it until a couple of hours later at home.  I had a small amount of blood soaked through my underwear where the poke was and the next day a small scab where the injury was.   I freaked out, went back and asked the girl if she was clean.   She said she had a HIV negative test 3months earlier, but I wasn't sure if I could believe her and she admitted to having a couple of partners since testing.    I waited for 30days then had blood draw antibody test done at the hospital, ordered by my physician.   It was negative.  I then learned about window periods and stuff on this forum and had a test on Nov 21 (Rapid 20min finger stick blood test at the County Health department) it was negative,  then got another test on December 15 (9wks post potential exposure) again at the Health department, it was negative.   So just when I was able to put that episode behind me, I pulled this bone-headed stunt and now I'm spinning out of control again....   Sorry for the confession.  Maybe getting this off my chest will help.  I believe the experts, and the doctors on this forum.  But I'm here to tell ya that the mind can be a powerful enemy to oneself.  I am a man of mathematics and science (Ph.D.) and even calculating my own odds and understanding what they mean can sometimes not overpower to anxiety of contracting a fatal disease which is completly preventable by exercising good judgement.  

It can be lonely going through this when you can't really talk to loved ones or close friends about this (even my physcian advised me not to discuss with my wife concerning the first episode with the stripper.  He said get the test and then put it behind you.)   I want everything to work out and I'm really trying to get my arms around this obsessive and potentially destructive sexual outlet.  

Thanks everyone for listening.  Appreciate any feedback.  

[Xhost]

While I am not entirely certain how the dentist in question infected his patients, I am certain I can guess. And my guess would not involve unclean tools. Google might be an effective and efficient means to learn exactly how he did this, but I am too lazy at the moment to perform the search.

As for your scenario, what you have described does not even register as a remote risk, let alone a viable means to contract HIV. Understand, medical personnel, and others, do wear protective gloves, etc, to avoid contact with bodily fluids. The use of these gloves is not, I would guess, primarily for HIV. Plenty of other fluid and blood born diseases that someone might not want direct contact with. And, the gloves are also used for the patient's protection as well.

I am fairly certain that no one, in the history of the HIV virus, has ever contracted the disease in the manner in which you have described. Not a single one. In the 40 year course of the disease, I believe you would be very hard pressed to find anyone who has done so. A single person. Why is this? Mainly because it has been observed that one does not contract HIV through environmental contact - HIV does not infect the body *through* the skin. Ok, the wart oozes. This is not a gaping wound, though. In fact, it really isn't a pathway into the body for HIV at all.

HIV infection typically happens inside of the body, where the cells that HIV likes to infect live. It does not happen on the surface of the body. Just so you know, HIV is a rather hard virus to contract. Certainly, it happens, with depressing regularity. But even in cases of unprotected vaginal and anal sex, the odds are still with you. Does that mean run out and have unprotected sex? Absolutely not. But what it does mean is that the odds of you having contracted HIV in the manner in which you have described are astronomically, cosmically negligible. As in, this just never happens in the real world.

Just a thought, but rather than fixate on HIV, you may instead wish to ponder the negative emotions this episode has caused in you. That may be the real source of anxiety, with HIV acting as a handy proxy, something to blame for the feelings that you are experiencing.

If you continue to fret about this, sure, go get an HIV test at the appropriate time. It will be negative if this was your only "risk", and, as such, is nothing to worry about.

[dosomegood]

Sorry to bother.  There are a lot of posts here; perhaps you missed my question in last transmission.   Perhaps not.   Anyway I would most appreciative of your expert opinion in addition to Nursegirls.   Thanks much.

[dosomegood]

Thank you Teak.   I assume you agree with Nursegirl original response to me about risk assessment?  

BTW:  How did the dentist infect those people?  

Thanks much for your caring time and the relief you provide so many.  

[Teak]

Yes they know exactly how he did it. No it was not from unclean tools.

[dosomegood]

Thank you for the feedback. Hopefully understandably folks realize that I'm naturally nervous and guilty about this mistake and gross error in judgement I've made.     It was 2 days ago and its really been on my mind.  I had poured over this forum and the doctor's and regular forum participants answers on a variety of potential ways of infection.   I come away from this forum with much more definitive answers than other forums, even those moderated by other doctors.   Perhaps the other forums and doctors responses are more guarded due to malpractice liabilities (so they always hedge).  

Your response in the first paragraph is reassuring, but the last statement I hope was just "firing for effect".  I surely wouldn't want to volunteer for such an experiment.   Even doctors, dentists, nurses and emergeny personnel wear gloves when working around body fluids to prevent possible infection from HIV and other things.  

The thing I keep wondering about is the documented CDS case of the Dentist who in the 80's infected 6 patients.  Do they know exactly how he did it? was it environmental transfer from unclean tools?  

Thanks much for your time and patience.  

[nursegirl6572]

NO risk whatosoever.  The HIV virus is rendered inactive and is therefore incapable of transmitting the disease when outside of its host (the body).  This is why penetrative unprotected sex is a risk where other sexual activities that involve exposure to a partner's genital secretions outside of the body (ie mutual masturbation, etc) is NOT a risk.

Even if you had had an open wound on your foot and had stepped in a puddle of infectious fluid...you still would not be infected.