QUICK REFERENCE...PLEASE READ

[LIZZIE LOU]

hiv cannot be transmitted through...

ORAL SEX
there has never been a verfied case of transmission of oral sex only.  all the latest studies done...one over a 10 year period...prove that hiv is not transmitted through oral sex

FINGERING WITH TORN CUTICLE
hiv is not transmitted in this manner.  a torn cuticle or even an insignificant cut is NOT "enough" to allow for transmission to occur.  no one has ever contracted hiv from fingering...with or without cuts, scrapes, or tears to their hands or cuticles.

SUCKING OR LICKING NIPPLES
adults CANNOT contract hiv from sucking a nipple...even one from a lactating mother.  hiv can be transmitted from mother to child in this manner due to the large volume of milk consumed AND the fact that an infant's immune system is not yet developed.

RUBBING...WHETHER VAGINAL AND/OR ANAL
transmission requires penetration and takes place INSIDE the body.

REMOVING CONDOM
when removing a condom and you touch the outside where vaginal secretions might be present...hiv will NOT be transmitted if you, in turn, touch the head of your penis.

SLIPPED OR ROLLED UP CONDOM
if your condom does not cover the entire shaft of your penis...you are not at risk.  as long as the head of your penis is covered...you were not at risk.

CONDOM PROTECTED SEX
if you wore a condom...you were PROTECTED or guarded against infection.  EVEN IF you see blood on the condom...you were STILL protected.

CONDOM FAILURE
condom failure is NOT something that you have to guess about.  condoms dont get microscopic holes in them during sex and allow the virus to enter.  FAILURE IS CATASTROPHIC and exposes the head of your penis.


IF YOU HAD UNPROTECTED VAGINAL/ANAL INTERCOURSE OR SHARED IV DRUG WORKS WITH SOMEONE OF UNKNOWN STATUS...YOU PUT YOURSELF AT RISK OF CONTRACTING HIV.

[Teak]

HIV is transmitted by,

Unprotected penetrative anal and vaginal sex
Sharing works with other IV drug abusers
Mother to infant.

[Goose135]

hmmm well that is a great answer! Thanks Teak!!


One question though, what about the vigorous grinding of frottage, in which the urethra  of the pen*s would basically be right up again the vaginal lips and the entire area covered in vaginla secretions, couldn't the fluids go into the urethra? Because then the HIV wouldn't necessarily be outside, if transfered directly from the skin-to-skin grinding - from the secretions to the penis opening

Is that an incorrect believe?

[Teak]

HIV is unable to reproduce outside its living host (unlike many bacteria or fungi, which may do so under suitable conditions), except under laboratory conditions, therefore, it does not spread or maintain infectiousness outside its host.

[Goose135]

thank you, I know about the rule and the thing is I have searched through the forums.  All I have ever found is that it says "frottage is no risk," but never really explains why.

I just want to know why it is no risk. When to me it seems like it presents quite a risk.

Is that fair of me to ask!? I think so.

And on another note, I really do love the work you guys do here. It is so helpful.  But I just really wanna know why it is no risk.

[Teak]

http://www.medhelp.org/posts/HIV-Prevention/Welcome-to-the-HIV-Forum--Tips-For-Posting/show/1004093

Had you read the above thread and followed the instructions you would not have posted your question. Read number 3 of the above thread.

[Goose135]

Thanks JPGR. That was helpful.

But Teak, why warn me when I just want to know.  I am really very scared/curious.  And would love to know why it posses no risk when it seems logical that it could present quite a risk?!

I just want to know

[JPGR]

Go to the explanation by the Doc on my question :

http://www.medhelp.org/posts/HIV-Prevention/Vaginal-Penile-Grinding/show/1117651

[Teak]

· Anyone who continues to post excessively, questioning a conclusive negative result or no-risk situation, will be subject to action by MedHelp. Conclusive negative results or a no-risk situation will be based up the criteria MedHelp’s doctors. Action will be taken as follows:
* After excessive posting, a warning will be issued by MedHelp
* Continuing to post regarding the negative result / no risk situation will result in a 3 day suspension
* Continuing to post upon your return will result in a permanent ban.

[Goose135]

--please don't "bump" this valid question/concern!! Please.

How is "Vaginal Rubbing," aka Frottage, not a risk!?  It is SKIN-TO-SKIN vigorous grinding - in which typically a girl gets very wet, thus getting her Vaginal Secretions  all over the man's pen*s.  Isn't this is a risk?! How could it not be!?  I just do not get the logic behind how it can't be.
Also, would it be a risk to engage in a similar act, yet w/boxers on, and grinding. For example, inserting while covered by one's boxers?  Shouldn't that be a risk, though not as high as skin-to-skin grinding?

[nursegirl6572]

BUMMP!!!

[reef1186]

i think u guys miss the hiv not transmitted via 'masturbation'

[Teak]

Bump

[Teak]

There is no debate. It hasn't been 6 month since 2004.

[alienshadow]

Mine as well bump it

[LIZZIE LOU]

bump

[LIZZIE LOU]

bump

[Teak]

Bump.

[Robi111222]

Hello,

No one wrote nothing else on this forum after our last comments?

tx

[john3116]

just 1 Q??
WHAT ABOUT RUBBING PENIS AGAINST VIGINA WITH WOUNG ON PENIS,DOES THE VIGINA,S LUBRICANT CAN TRANSFER HIS VIRUS TO ME BECAUSE OF WOUND ON MY PENIS???????
PLZ ANSWER

[Robi111222]

Hello !

Bump !

What about that study wich was taking in account that 1 person from 10.000 persons who have unprotected ORAL SEX... could receive the disease ?

Are you completely 100% shure about what you had post ? that oral sex do not query any risks?

Thanks very much!

[Robi111222]

Hello !

Bump !

What about that study wich was taking in account that 1 person from 10.000 persons who have unprotected ORAL SEX... could receive the disease ?

Are you completely 100% shure about what you had post ? that oral sex do not query any risks?

Thanks very much!

[LIZZIE LOU]

bump

[LIZZIE LOU]

bump

[LIZZIE LOU]

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