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Syringe booty bump with no needle, was I at risk???

Three days ago from the posting of this question I had an encounter with an older man which I do not know the status at a gay sauna. I was a little drunk but still conscious enough to know what was happening (by that I mean no blackouts or anything and I remember everything that happened). He tells me to go to his room and he starts fondling me. Then he tells me to lay on my back on the bed and he starts fingering my anus. It hurts a little, then I feel my anus getting wet so I stand up and ask him what is he doing and I noticed that he is not fingering my anus but instead holding a syringe WITHOUT a needle and says he is trying to squirt crystal with water up my anus, all of that took about 10-15 seconds before I noticed. He asks if I feel the high which I answer no I don’t feel anything and immediately walk away to the restrooms where I force to poop then jump in the shower and wash my anus thoroughly. I don’t know if he used the same syringe on him prior to using it on me and I don’t know how long he has had it but I noticed the syringe lying on his bed when I walked into his room, it was clear with water and again, it had no needle. We stayed in his room for about half an hour. About 12 hrs later I went to the emergency room and started on PEP.  Assuming that he is hiv poz, was I at risk from this encounter? Can hiv still infect in a syringe with crystal with water??  Please help, I am really worried and the anxiety is killing me, I was so stupid in putting myself at risk like that. :(
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If it didnt have a needle and liquid went In or touched your anus then why would there be any risk? HIV dies when it touches the air. You would have a risk If the syringe had a needle and he poked you with it if it had been used recently and was contaminated with blood that Came from an HIV positive person, but you stated you didnt. "Fingering" brings no risk. What you should be worried about is being around people who use those types of drugs and have sex while under the influence, they will bring you a lot of problems.  
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I should clarify that the syringe (again with no needle) the tip did go inside my anus but not too deep and he did push some liquid out which is why I felt my anus getting wet. If there was HIV inside the syringe or maybe some residue virus at the tip, was I at risk???
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This answers all of your HIV questions, and if you can think of any more just reread about the 3. You had zero risk therefore  testing is irrelevant to your situation because you had zero risk. HIV is a fragile virus, which is instantly inactivated in air and also in saliva which means it is effectively dead so it can't infect from touching, external rubbing or oral activities. It doesn't matter if you and they were actively bleeding or had cuts at the time either because the HIV is effectively dead.  
Only 3 adult risks are the following:
1. unprotected penetrating vaginal with a penis
2. unprotected penetrating anal sex with a penis
3. sharing needles that you inject with.
The only way to get HIV is if you did one of the 3. The situation you describe is a long way from any of these 3.
Even with blood, lactation, cuts, rashes, burns, etc the air or the saliva does not allow inactivated virus to infect from touching, external rubbing or oral activities. Doctors have calculated the risk from what you describe to be less than that of being hit by a meteor, therefore no one will get HIV from what you did in the next 40 years of your life either. The above HIV science is 40 years old and very well established, so no detail that you can add to your encounter will change it from zero risk.
If you didn't have one of the 3 then you are just worrying about your own hiv theory - which is unrealistic for you to think that can become reality - so you should move on back to your happy life instead.
You should stop taking PEP. It sounds like the Er gave you the PEP to get rid of you - were you very anxious and demanding PEP?
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Maybe a little demanding because I was freaking out, I didn't help that the doctor that I talked to, when I explained my situation to him just like I explained it here, he looked concerned and when I asked him if he recommends that I start PEP, he said and I quote "yup 100% since something was flushed into your anus" but again, the syringe had no needle and I only felt the tip, do you think his concerns are warranted?? That's why I am freaking out
Reread about unrealistic, stop the PEP (which unlike what you did actually has some health risks) and move on from this silly idea.
What if there was some residue virus on the tip of the syringe when he tried to flush it into me? Or he used it on his own *** or inject the drug with a needle prior??? Assuming that he did use a needle to inject the drug into him, he didn't use it on me immediately, there was some time in between, does the virus still stay active and able to infect???? The syringe did not go deep but I did feel it on my anus and I read this on another website "However, if the syringe had been used for intravenous injection and still retained traces of fresh HIV-tainted blood just prior to your using it to bump your booty, there could still be an HIV-acquisition risk, as the rectum is lined with a mucous membrane." Would you still say there is no risk??? The anxiety is killing me.
You don't have any medical training, so instead of you asking more questions with every post, let's make this simple since there are only 3 risks. Which of the 3 do you feel was your risk?
Exactly, I don't have medical training which is why I am asking all these questions, I would say risk #3 is closest to my risk but I know there was no needle, just the syringe trying to go up my rectum and some liquid being flushed(the individual claimed it was crystal with water). I am concerned because when I posted this question originally, I talked to an infectious diseases specialist and he said my risk is low (he didn't say no risk and he does have medical training with being a doctor) but he was concerned about what the syringe was used for prior. I don't know what it was used for before so assuming the worst case scenario what the syringe was used for, is my risk still zero risk for hiv???
I didn't say to find something that you think is close, otherwise we will be here all night. You are worrying about a science fiction theory and that doc did you a disservice pretending you had a risk from a piece of plastic full of water.
Some docs like that one, will tell you that anything theoretically possible is a risk, even though it hasn't manifested in 40 years of hiv history - how useless is that? If you start down that path, then you have to worry about a meteor hit as you read this and I can list 1,000 other similar risks that you can die from tomorrow. Meanwhile, people actually die from E Coli after a meal but he didn't tell you to test for that after every meal, so your and that doc's prioritization is wrong.
what if the guy shot up using a needle and there was blood or other fluids that contain the virus and they got stuck on the tip of the syringe and that got washed into my anus when he shoved it and flushed the liquid??? I've read online that the virus can survive for a while inside a syringe and that makes me panic. What does that mean that the virus can "survive"???

I know you said I have no HIV to worry about from this incident but if you can possibly explain why it's not a risk?? It would really help my anxiety.

1.-Is the virus inactivated as soon as it leaves the body??

2.-Does air get inside through the hole on the tip of the syringe making the virus unable to infect?  

3.-Have you ever seen or heard of someone getting HIV from getting a syringe with no needle shoved up the back door and getting some unknown substance flushed??? I've read that the slang term is booty bumping, have you ever heard of someone getting infected through booty bumping??

I have searched everywhere for a case similar to mine and I can not find one at all, not even here and I refuse to think that I am the only one on the entire planet with this kind of risk. Please help, these past couple of days have been psychological torture for me. I wish one didn't have to wait so long to get tested and get a definitive answer.
The simple answer is that HIV is NOT transmitted that way.  No disease is transmitted via any old way you can think of.  For example, you're not going to get malaria from touching bird droppings, because that's not how malaria is transmitted.  

Anything mixed with water is absolutely not going to survive.  You need to see a counselor, seriously.  You had no risk at all for HIV. Your anxiety is out of control, and you could definitely benefit from help in that regard.
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"Exactly, I don't have medical training ..." "I have searched everywhere for a case similar to mine and I can not find one at all""I am the only one on the entire planet with this kind of risk."

For starters, there is no risk, but you are the only one on the planet who thinks it is a risk, which is why your endless search for another person is a waste of time. See a therapist and find a new doc who deals in a reality based world instead of the one who gave you PEP to get you out of his office.
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Hey there, back again, and yes I believe you are right, I have read that when a Dr prescribes PEP, they usually ask questions and do a risk assessment to see if PEP is warranted, this Dr did not do that at all and when I explained my scenario, he just said yes I recommend it 100% which made me freak out and then he referred me to an infectious diseases specialist, I explained my scenario to the specialist and he said my risk was pretty low and I asked him if he thought I needed PEP and he said I don't think so. Are some doctors not well educated? I do think he did me a disservice like you said (the first Dr) anyway I have to go back when I finish PEP which will be 4 weeks after "risk" and 4 days after I finish PEP. They said they would test with a 4th generation test, would I be able to consider the results conclusive?? Would it affect the test 4 days after finishing PEP? I've read online that for a conclusive 4th generation result, you have to wait 4 weeks AFTER finishing PEP. I don't think I can wait another 4 weeks. Would you be able to give me some input?? I am more relaxed now thanks to your comments.
You had no risk.  You didn't need PEP, you don't need any testing.  You would be testing for a disease you were never exposed to.  There is no appropriate testing timeframe for a placebo test.
Since you missed this I am posting it again as Curfew just did. "For starters, there is no risk".
Just to be clear, stop taking the PEP now. This is not some vitamin pill or superfood or energy booster or anything that can improve or strengthen your body. It is pointless to take it since it is in fact hard on your immune system and it takes a while for your body to return to normal after you stop taking it. The longer you continue with this chemical the longer it will take you to get back to normal.
See a therapist because you are suffering mentally (and potentially physically) for no logical reason at this point.
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It's clear, based on your inability to accept that you had no risk, that the issue is psychological in nature. Whether it's shame or guilt or something of that nature over what you've done that is the root cause of all of your problems, you owe it to yourself to seek out a therapist with whom to discuss this problem. Until and unless you take control of your mental issue around this whole situation, you're not going to be able to put it behind you. Stop wasting your time asking questions about a disease that has nothing to do with your situation and Google for mental health support in your area to get the kind of help that you actually need.
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