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Touching infected Breastmilk

I'm writing this as there is very limited information available on this subject. Majority of the questions are about adults sucking/licking breastmilk and it is replied as negligible or no risk. My query and incident is bit different. I did not find much information on the internet regarding this. CDC states that sharing / throwing body fluids is a negligible risk and that breastmilk is infectious.
My risk is as follows: I went for a massage and the female therapist offered me to touch her breasts. I fondled with her naked breasts for sometime, and then without washing my hands I masturbated myself. Just that before masturbation i applied oil on my hand and penis. There were minor cuts near my fingernails. I'm afraid that if the breastmilk infected with hiv reached the cut area, could infect me. We did not have any kind of oral, vaginal or anal sex. I dont know the Hiv status of the therapist.
This may sound like safe / safer sex, but what worries me is the possibility of infection even in this scenario.
One of my assumptions is that if my worry is true then all foreplays involving touching breasts and contact with breastmilk would be a risk for hiv. Also, more infectious fuilds like semen or vaginal fluids when they come in contact with fingers with minor cuts would also be a risk (thus most handjobs would be risky for the person giving the handjob).
Sorry for the long post. I'm just trying to rationalise / make sense of this worry, as it has been bothering me a lot. Again, as I said there is not much information available on this subject. Please let me know your thoughts and what should I do next?
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You have been already offered with two great dimension about your scenario being completely unrisky for HIV contraction, as stated by my fellow posters:

1. HIV can't infect once it is seperated from it's host.

2. Blood clotting would be an effective barrier to HIV transmission.

You must also understand another perspective:

3. We can't ignore the problem in estimating the risk of HIV transmission from breast milk. The real risk of transmission of HIV through breast milk is unknown. It is thought to be more likely if a mother is newly infected with "primary" infection and may therefore be more infectious. Women who are less viraemic are thought to be no to less likely to transmit HIV through breast milk.
Practically, the amount of viral content in breast milk might not be adequate to infect some one even if it establishes contact with a current gapping wound.  Or, a very large quantity of breast milk would be necessary to form a contact with a wound that just occurred and so intense that it is bleeding profusely.

In totality, you should be more worried about dying this moment from falling off your bed while reading this response than dying due to an HIV related illness.
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Thanks Mike_no! I realise that I gave meaning to this fear, which lead to extreme thinking. Trying my best to move on and put this behind me!
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Breast milk is only a risk for infants with an underdeveloped immune system.

Secondly, handjobs, regardless of the presence of any cuts or scrapes or hangnails or anything else on a person's hands, are not a risk for HIV. It's literally the safest sexual contact you can possibly have, aside from complete abstinence. If the only type of sexual contact you ever have your whole life is handjobs, you will never get HIV.
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My query is for the person giving the Handjob who may have cuts or sores on his/her hand. The chances of getting pre-*** / semen / vaginal fluids / breastmilk / anal fluid on his/her hand is very high from the taker (via penis /vagina / breast / anus).
If the infectious fluid comes in contact with the cuts or sores, CDC states that its a negligible risk. Which means the risk is almost close to nil but not zero. Now my assumption is that, if this is true, then people giving handjobs all over the world would be at a bigger risk than the people getting handjobs.  But do we see such cases reported or documented?
There has literally never been a case on record of anyone being infected this way. HiV is a very fragile virus which can only replicate inside a living host. Which is why transmission can only occur inside the body. There is nothing you can say that will change that fact.

There's a negligible risk for pretty much everything you do every day of your life. Do you live in fear that you are going to die every second of every day? Clearly this is a mental issue and nothing to do with HIV infection. Therefore you should be searching for a therapist to help you overcome your irrational health anxiety rather than asking questions on a message board for a disease for which you are at zero risk from the activities you've engaged in.
Thanks Chima7. Doing my best to move on.
Here is more detail, but it is the same advice. This answers all of your HIV questions, and if you can think of any more just reread about the 3. You had zero risk therefore  testing is irrelevant to your situation because you had zero risk. HIV is a fragile virus, which is instantly inactivated in air and also in saliva which means it is effectively dead so it can't infect from touching, external rubbing or oral activities. It doesn't matter if you and they were actively bleeding or had cuts at the time either because the HIV is effectively dead.  
Only 3 adult risks are the following:
1. unprotected penetrating vaginal with a penis
2. unprotected penetrating anal sex with a penis
3. sharing needles that you inject with.
The only way to get HIV is if you did one of the 3. The situation you describe is a long way from any of these 3.
Even with blood, lactation, cuts, rashes, burns, etc the air or the saliva does not allow inactivated virus to infect from touching, external rubbing or oral activities. Doctors have calculated the risk from what you describe to be less than that of being hit by a meteor, therefore no one will get HIV from what you did in the next 40 years of your life either. The above HIV science is 40 years old and very well established, so no detail that you can add to your encounter will change it from zero risk.
If you didn't have one of the 3 then you are just worrying about your own hiv theory - which is unrealistic for you to think that can become reality - so you should move on back to your happy life instead.
Thanks Anxiousnomore! I've decided to put this behind me for good..thanks for the insight..
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Hi, no risk. I have stated before that a cut on one's finger clots very quickly. The point of clotting is to prevent any pathogen from entering the body. Long story short, you are at no risk for touching breast milk.
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