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What is the risk of hiv from frottage if I have phimosis ?

Hi
I have visited a massage parlor in India ,where the lady offered body slide massage(both of us were nude) although I am sure that no penetration happened but there was contact between our genitals during the massage slides as a result there may be vaginal fluid spillage on her pubic hair area which was recently shaved and having small protruding hair of around 0.5 to 1mm ,at the end of the massage out of nowhere she hold my penis in her hand and started rubbing it onto that area and her clitoris for around 20-30 seconds .
this act may have caused abrasions and tears into the head as I have phimosis and my penis foreskin and head are very sensitive due to the tight foreskin.

My worry start when after 2 weeks of the incident I started getting sore neck on left neck and left lymph nodes are tender to touch this condition remained for around 3 weeks continuous .also during this time I have night sweats for continuous 4 days in a row.Also I have tingling in my feet and testicles occasionally in morning and evening and sudden loss of appetite and feeling feverish.
At around 45 days after the incident I have extreme pain in throat while eating or swallowing food for around 1 week ,on 70 days a red pimple appeared on the head of penis which is not painful .
Since most of the symptoms mimic ars and are in timeline of ars what are my chances that I am safe ,does it warrant testing ?
P.S. this is my only sexual encounter in lifetime and I am not in a mood of repeating the mistake.
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Risks for HIV are:
1) having unprotected, penetrative anal or vaginal sex, or
2) sharing intravenous needles.

No penetration = no risk, even with phimosis.
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So no need for testing? ,my  main concern was the swollen node on the neck and the night sweats that's very unusual ,I mean I never had protruding node on neck.

Also can you help me understand why fluid on outside is not a risk since the virus remain alive until it dries.
Thanks
You have been advised that you had no risk, which mean it's not necessary to test.

The virus is rendered inactive the moment it established contact with the external environment.

No one in the history of this epidemic has ever acquired the virus in the fashion you have described and you are not going to be the first one.
What if the contact was immediate with the fluid as it came out of her ,it's difficult to digest the swollen and stiff neck ,also can you tell me what other sti/std can cause the symptoms above.
Is it also possible that penetration occur without me knowing during the sliding ?
This answers all of your HIV questions, and if you can think of any more just reread about the 3. You had zero risk therefore  testing is irrelevant to your situation because you had zero risk. HIV is a fragile virus, which is instantly inactivated in air and also in saliva which means it is effectively dead so it can't infect from touching, external rubbing or oral activities. It doesn't matter if you and they were actively bleeding or had cuts at the time either because the HIV is effectively dead.  
Only 3 adult risks are the following:
1. unprotected penetrating vaginal with a penis
2. unprotected penetrating anal sex with a penis
3. sharing needles that you inject with.
The only way to get HIV is if you did one of the 3. The situation you describe is a long way from any of these 3.
Even with blood, lactation, cuts, rashes, burns, etc the air or the saliva does not allow inactivated virus to infect from touching, external rubbing or oral activities. Doctors have calculated the risk from what you describe to be less than that of being hit by a meteor, therefore no one will get HIV from what you did in the next 40 years of your life either. The above HIV science is 40 years old and very well established, so no detail that you can add to your encounter will change it from zero risk.
It is time to stop talking about your symptoms, because no one here on an hiv forum is going to try to diagnose your neck and everything else you think is wrong.
Your anxiety is a bit of a mental illness at this point, since you aresaying you can't tell if you penetrated but yesterday you knew you didn't. See a therapist to help you calm down and start thinking normally again.
Hi

Thanks for the response ,can you help me regarding other std that can be transmitted in this manner because I am having white sores like pimples on penis head.

Also apologies if I may sound harsh ,can you let me know are you guys trained volunteer in hiv or have you worked closely in hiv clinics that you are so sure about how hiv is transmitted (I mean only through penetration).

Or is it that you follow the answers written by Dr hook and Handsfield ,because in many of their post their advice are contradictory and Dr Handsfield always assume that person is Living in US where hiv prevalence is small.

I know that only a test can clear the confusion but I am just testing the waters to build some courage to go for the test.I have never felt so helpless and the day starts and end just with this thought.
See a therapist to deal with your mental health issues.
Your anxiety is a bit of a mental health issue at this point because the only science you believe in is your own made up science fiction. You can't expect anyone here on a forum to be able to sort out these mental health issues.
Hi all

From a few days i am having pain in the middle of abdomen,i visited a government hospital and he ordered hcv ,hbsag, lipid profile,lft .
The doctor also told that they will be doing some fibroscan where they insert some tubes to verify if there is some scarring inside but here is the gotcha he told to get an hiv test before that as same tube will be used on multiple patients and they don't take risks.
Now here i am again,my mind is rolling day and night and the hiv test is scheduled on monday (ist) ,my uncle works in same hospital with whom i will be going for the test.
I am broken into bits and pieces as i cannot escape it now.
What are the chances in my favour.
If you are coming back for the same risk that you described the last time, we have already told you that you had no risk.

Your doctor has ordered for a routine testing for diagnostic purposes. No exposure to the virus means no HIV.

Please move on.
Great! You're finally getting a test, which will prove to you that you don't have HIV. For a test to come back positive, you would've had to have been exposed to HIV, which it's very clear from your first post that you were not at any risk at all. Your situation is as black and white as it gets, there is no gray area. No exposure means you don't have HIV and your test result will be negative.
Hi Mike

I have given the sample on last monday and the result came on Wednesday.
By gods grace the result was negative.
The sample was tested at ictc centre, however i haven't opted for counselling and straight away given the sample .
What protocol do they use at ictc centre and how accurate are the tests ,also i was having fever and was unwell when i have given the sample ,will it make any difference.

Thanks for your support.
As everyone repeatedly told you, when you have NO EXPOSURE, you're going to get a negative test. You need to move on and get serious about your counseling.
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