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Positional PVC's Anyone??

Hello all! Am I ever glad I found this site. I'm a newbie but definately not new to these dang pvc's. I was wondering if anyone else has what I call "positional pvc's"? By this I mean I can trigger them by lifting my right arm over my head, bending over, turning/twisting when only moving my upper chest, not turning my waist, reaching for things especially when reaching with my right arm over to the left side of my body. (Just seems to be my right arm) Even riding on a bumpy road can set them off which I think is very strange. Also with my last pregnancy, when the doc would have me lay on my back and she'd palpitate my belly it would set them off as well. Other things that trigger them are stretching while holding my breath, working on a burp that is stuck in my throat and talking without taking a breath. So basically anything can set them off! Just wondering if I'm the only weirdo here. If anyone else gets these "positional pvc's" please share.
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That would be not might would be-Love AutoCorrect
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You need to copy, paste and put this into a blog. I would guarantee that there are many people might would be interested in reading this. I do not fit into your category of the one in 100 but the 98% that are so lovingly called "couch potato", so as much as I'd like to use this as an excuse not to exercise even more, it just doesn't fit me. That being said I really do believe your post could benefit a lot of people in your situation, so blog it! Meanwhile the rest of us couch potatoes will have to deal with PVCs PACs and PSVT some other way-and after over 30 years of dealing with it for me, I just haven't found that way yet.
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This is absolutely funny! Lol...Whoever wrote this should think about starting a YouTube channel show
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So agree plus I'm now the couch potato too BUT i think my severe kyphoscoliosis has a roll in this! I wish u the best.
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Prior to these tests I went to New Mexico with my wife and three kids. At altitude, I noticed that my heart felt even more strange. One night I felt THEM. 2 of THEM. After 11-months of weird chest pains and enough internet research to make me an honorary cardiologist I needed no one to tell me what THEY were: bump, BUMP.....bump, BUMP.....bumpBUMPbumpBUMP....................bump,BUMP....bump,BUMPbumpBUMP.................PACs or PVCs were on the SCENE! Over the next two weeks I noticed these things throughout the day...and I noticed that they made my "benign" chest pain worse.

Upon returning to The Lone Star State I freaking BROKE THE STRESS TEST RECORD at my cardiologists office. No joke.This is a volume-based office; 9 cardiologists work there. I broke the dang record. The technician actually stated "I've never seen a tall guy ( I'm 6'6") with as much muscle as you... with your kind of stamina...especially in your age group!" Oh, how merrily he told me that. Oh, how very close he came to needing a defibrillator himself that day...if only he knew.

My second Holter results showed 13...but I swear I feel my heart "trying" to have them far more often than that...kind of like a stumble rather than a trip and fall-flat-on-your-face...dunno if anyone else can sympathize...Anyway these things for the last two or three months have a come and go quality to them. 3 or four times I have been aware of HUNDREDS of these things. They seem VERY POSITION SPECIFIC; swallowing, lying down, looking down, clearing my throat in a "different" way,you know the drill. I have tried everything: magnesium, no caffeine, EXTRA CAFFEINE (yup, got desperate...it is worth noting that this actually seemed to help a little), folic acid, cardi-blend vitamins, kale, quinoa, eye-of-newt, boogers from a virgin muskrat, etc...

Let me assure you: you cannot eat, "vitamin", detox, meditate, or yoga your way out of this thing. I am not trying to evangelize (although I probably should) but prayer has helped some...all other treatments, techniques, talismans, and snake-oils have failed. I am a non-sleeping, unhappy, unhealthy feeling health-nut that has the musculature of a corn-fed-Iggy-Pop whose heart goes flip-flop.

And now for my discovery: I mentioned it above...Athlete's Heart. It is a Real Condition...and I simply can't help but cackle at the hilarity of the following sentence. IT'S USUALLY BENIGN! (think DAFFY DUCK'S LAUGH as he bounces off camera at the end of a looney tunes).

THINK ABOUT IT: Think back to when you were first having symptoms. Were you healthy already? Maybe you were exercising routinely? What did the doctor---doesn't matter if it was a cardiologist or an ear-wax doctor---tell you would help? EXERCISE! You probably said what I did "OH BOY OH BOY OH BOY...now I have a medical condition that I can wave in my spouse's face JUSTIFYING my healthy addiction! Then you ran, cycled, swam, lifted, boxed, Zumba'd your happy butt off.

Now I am being serious (as a heart-attack). READ about Athlete's Heart. In a shell I will tell you the symptoms:
Bradycardia, PAC's, PVC's,Chest Pain, "Non sustained ventricular tachycardia",  trace mitral regurgitation and tricuspid regurgitation are commonly detected, Stage one AV block (long considered benign), and other arrhythmias. All articles seem to suggest that athletes--particularly those with bradycardia,

I am 7 days into the "cure"--proven in various scientific studies to work. No idea yet. For the record I am in a hell that I wouldn't wish on Jeffrey Dahmer...and I mean it...the "Cure"...is called "Deconditioning."

Deconditioning AKA Detraining has been proven to reduce ectopic beats and benign arrhythmia symptoms in highly trained athletes. Detraining involves 3 MONTHS of reduced or eliminated training; and in particular it aims to reduce cardiovascular exercise...YEAH, THAT THING YOUR DOC HAS BEEN PREACHING TO YOU TO DO AS OFTEN AS POSSIBLE.

I am not a doctor, but again...THINK ABOUT IT...you want to LIVE. Someone wearing a stethoscope tells you you "might wanna try exercising..." What do you do if YOU WANT TO LIVE? I am not kidding. I went from a pretty strong guy that could hang on a run or two per week to being a guy that at 38 years old can bench press 320 pounds after running 4-10 miles or doing 30-45 minutes on the elliptical. I even did the "TURBO-FIRE" DVDs several times per month. Hours at a time my heart-rate during execise was a sustained 130-155 bpms...you gotta be a battleship to handle that at my age.

I have trained my heart to exist in conditions far too harsh for a normal heart. It is only natural that my heart now doesn't recognize anything other than "BATTLE-STATIONS" as normal.

You see, given the above testimony it all fits, and it also explains how your respective doctors may have failed some of you. No offense to the couch-potato, but I'm speaking to other gym-rats, nurses, runners, and so on that are constantly active...how many times just on this forum have you "heard" someone "say" that a quick run around the block makes the symptoms go away?

Guys, your doctors have lead you to your own guillotine and you have deliberately laid your heads in the cradle.

Your doctor...bless his or her heart...is used to dealing with symptoms like yours in "normal" people---which means people who are chronically sedentary. When they come in it is obvious in two or three seconds that they need to skip a meal and walk a mile or two IMMEDIATELY.

Then you come in... That one in a hundred person that really does run up and down stairways all day at work all the while thinking "Man, I've gotta get to the GYM...all this lolly-gagging is making me squishy-about-the-middle..." What does he do? Tell ya to work out! Please don't think on revenge...Doc-clueless meant well...BUT---parts of your heart have been enlarging. Your pulse has (probably) been slowing down. Electrical changes have been made to maximize your hearts ability to handle punishment others couldn't possible stand up under. Chemicals have been hoarded by your body that others don't have present...and other chemicals you need dearly have been deleted daily...sweat-out somewhere between mile 4 and mile 7. You slowly did this to yourself.

And now you know it. You instinctively know it. Oh sure, the anxiety that came on as a by product contributes; so does the acid-reflux that comes and goes, as does the vagus nerve anomalies, breathing abnormalities, body positioning, caffeine, diet, etc...but at its base---you trained your heart to do this.

It can be dangerous...but rarely is what I get from the studies. It can be reversed...a good deal actually; but it will be hard to do if you (like me) are vain about your body and health.

I don't know if this is "FOR SURE" what i've got...but come on; the writings on the wall.

As I said; I am on day seven. I am in hell. It only makes since that this is a worse-before-better scenario. My slow heart rat, having not been spen up in a week, feels like it is going to STOP. My ectopic beats sneak in at every possible interval...it's like a feeding frenzy for them since I am no longer chasing them off with cardio. I am lifting weights still...but I take my time. They pounce on me even then.

I try to think of it like this. Ceasing workouts will (hopefully) cause my Bradycardia to die. These palpitations, PVCs, PACs, and all the others discussed above are like parasites. Like parasites, if you don't "fight" them they overfeed. Once the host nears "death" they feed like crazy (think zombie apocalypse). But once the host "dies", they all die.

I will let you all know how it went in three or four months.

Peace be with you all.
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People never follow up. I am going to follow up:
Well; I've just returned to tell any that are still looking for answers that it turned out to be Lyme Disease. Regarding Lyme; the ignorance out there in the medical community is astounding. I figured it out myself, demanded the tests, and got a very RARE positive. I am in the late stages and have been treating it for about 8 months now via abx and other protocols. My PVC's and PAC's have seen improvement, but Lyme is tricky.

If you have unexplained heart issues, consider demanding a Lyme titer, ELISA, or a Western Blot...and false negatives USUALLY happen.

Thank you for the update!
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Several posts needed to complete the following:

They keep tellin' me this word...this EVIL word: "Benign." I swear I see red every time I see or hear the word "Benign." I have been going through weird chest pains, palpitations, exercise induced (healthy or "benign") bradycardia, and such for 14 months now...but for the last two months I have been the proud owner of PVCs, PACs, and very rarely a bout of what feels like VT or SVT (about 5 extremely fast beats)...all of it labelled "Benign" so far.

How is pain benign? I am not suicidal...but sleep loss, the anxiety, and the strain it has just put on my marriage has backed me into a position in which I would be fine with this whole gig being over with. I am sick of watching my old fulfilling life disappear in the rear-view mirror.

My heart HURTS. I am 9 doctors into this thing. I tell ya I spent the first twelve months worrying that this "benign" condition will kill me...

I have spent the last two months worrying that it WON'T kill me...

For what it is worth, I may be on to something this last week. I hope I am right, and I hope this can help you all.

Google "Athletes Heart". I am a tall and muscular 38 year old, former USMC infantryman, have always worked out, and maintain a lean healthy build. Despite all of this, I have also always had high-normal blood pressure; almost pre-hypertension territory. Therefore, about 6 months before I had any of the above symptoms I concluded that 6-7 days a week of weight-training warranted more than just 2 or 3 days of cardio to augment (the weight training). So 6-7 days of weights along with 1-3 days of cardio became 6-7 days of weight and 6-7 days of cardio. Seemed logical that more is better with exercise. As you will see if you read further: this may be a "Silly Me" situation. For the record, my chest pain, palpitations, and all other symptoms Vanish with exercise...an important fact the reader will need to remember later.

Six months later I started having the chest pains. My PC doc saw "something" on an ECG and to this day cannot really tell me what...I have a theory that it was just a mistake or a nurses mistake...but I wound up going through the cardiology route "just in case." I had an echocardiogram (heart was a "beast"-as healthy as they've seen), a calcium test (freaking ZERO...perfect score) and wore a holter monitor for 24 hours. Normal...which equals "benign chest pain...maybe you have pulled a muscle, or Lymes Disease, or GERD, or chostochondroitis, or Thyroid, or aliens, or government chem-trails, or holy moly mother of PETE..."

After being cleared by other doctors of, well...EVERYTHING... I ended up back with another cardiologist...you know...the whole "let's get a different doctor and make sure." He ordered a very affordable (heavy sarcasm) Chest and Abdomen CT which revealed that....TA-DA! I'm a STUD! Nothing wrong in there, buddy! You look GREAT! I know it sounds silly but I would at this point have been overjoyed if my doc(s) dropped my CT results and ran away screaming all the while making the sign of the cross so as to ward off the demons and fiends that took up residence in my chest cavity. Alas; the decision was made to put this healthy guy on the Stress-test machine. and wear another Holter Monitor.

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Several posts needed to complete the following:

They keep tellin' me this word...this EVIL word: "Benign." I swear I see red every time I see or hear the word "Benign." I have been going through weird chest pains, palpitations, exercise induced (healthy or "benign") bradycardia, and such for 14 months now...but for the last two months I have been the proud owner of PVCs, PACs, and very rarely a bout of what feels like VT or SVT (about 5 extremely fast beats)...all of it labelled "Benign" so far.

How is pain benign? I am not suicidal...but sleep loss, the anxiety, and the strain it has just put on my marriage has backed me into a position in which I would be fine with this whole gig being over with. I am sick of watching my old fulfilling life disappear in the rear-view mirror.

My heart HURTS. I am 9 doctors into this thing. I tell ya I spent the first twelve months worrying that this "benign" condition will kill me...

I have spent the last two months worrying that it WON'T kill me...

For what it is worth, I may be on to something this last week. I hope I am right, and I hope this can help you all.

Google "Athletes Heart". I am a tall and muscular 38 year old, former USMC infantryman, have always worked out, and maintain a lean healthy build. Despite all of this, I have also always had high-normal blood pressure; almost pre-hypertension territory. Therefore, about 6 months before I had any of the above symptoms I concluded that 6-7 days a week of weight-training warranted more than just 2 or 3 days of cardio to augment (the weight training). So 6-7 days of weights along with 1-3 days of cardio became 6-7 days of weight and 6-7 days of cardio. Seemed logical that more is better with exercise. As you will see if you read further: this may be a "Silly Me" situation. For the record, my chest pain, palpitations, and all other symptoms Vanish with exercise...an important fact the reader will need to remember later.

Six months later I started having the chest pains. My PC doc saw "something" on an ECG and to this day cannot really tell me what...I have a theory that it was just a mistake or a nurses mistake...but I wound up going through the cardiology route "just in case." I had an echocardiogram (heart was a "beast"-as healthy as they've seen), a calcium test (freaking ZERO...perfect score) and wore a holter monitor for 24 hours. Normal...which equals "benign chest pain...maybe you have pulled a muscle, or Lymes Disease, or GERD, or chostochondroitis, or Thyroid, or aliens, or government chem-trails, or holy moly mother of PETE..."

After being cleared by other doctors of, well...EVERYTHING... I ended up back with another cardiologist...you know...the whole "let's get a different doctor and make sure." He ordered a very affordable (heavy sarcasm) Chest and Abdomen CT which revealed that....TA-DA! I'm a STUD! Nothing wrong in there, buddy! You look GREAT! I know it sounds silly but I would at this point have been overjoyed if my doc(s) dropped my CT results and ran away screaming all the while making the sign of the cross so as to ward off the demons and fiends that took up residence in my chest cavity. Alas; the decision was made to put this healthy guy on the Stress-test machine. and wear another Holter Monitor.

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This post was everything dude.  So any new updates today ? How are you ?
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I might add, like I said the pvc's started off when I was 20 every now and then, I started to take notice of my pulse, never thought much of it, never had any tests, till my late 20's I had a few fast beats in a row that made me dizzy, I still never got an test, then all of a sudden in my mid 30's I had persistant pvc's skipped every 4 or 5 beat that was lasting for days 24-7, I went to the dr he said do you drink caffeine , I said yes, so I stopped that, it took over a week to get the caffeine out of my system and return to " normal" which is every now and then a skipped beat, in my mid 30's I noticed if I exerted my self, living groceries, moving stuff, running...I would have pvc's briefly till my heart calmed back down...I had an EKG done , nothing came up.... I also find if I lay down on my back for long periods of time, say in bed or (flat in bed) for say like a 5-7 days I will have what the call a violent episode, where my heart will race real fast for 2-3 seconds and I will get dizzy or my vision will turn black... Years ago it happeded to me in a different way other then laying down for long periods, I blame it on the caffeine .... Recently I has a episode that last a week of pvc's lots of them, I found that MSG  effects me just like caffeine did years ago before I quit, Like I said it takes atleast a week to flush out caffeine and msg from ur system, where it feels like ur back to normal... normal for me, is no pvc's until I exert myself.... but since I realized msg  was a new trigger for me, some other things are new also, positional pvc's sometimes if i raise my arms above my head i get a skipped beat or as soon as I get in a hot bath or shower, I get multiple pvc's and could last up to an hour after I get out, then they just stop and its back to normal again for me, also as iam eating or after I eat depending I get a few... this is new for me, It may because I was still eating dairy, lots of cheddar cheese, dairy products.... which contain msg, Iam finding iam very sensitive to MSG at this point in my life just like 12 years ago I found out I was sentive to caffeine .....So right now iam eliminating dairy/sugar/msg/caffeine/ alcohol , the sugar and dairy is something new iam trying to see if some "normal for me" gets beter.... that's my story.
God bless
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