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As a Michigan Medial Marijauna Patient I am blessed to be able to grow my own and it works great
I credit it with being able to endure the side effects much better then with out it. There are days I do not feel I have the energy to do it, but when I do it makes me feel much better. I do not get blasted off it just feel much better less fatigue. Of course it comes down to what strain you have and if it is stimulative or couch lock which I do not need I need energy which some strains provide.
P.S
Magnum that is my favorite strain from B.C very stimulative
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When News of the Weird wrote about the twin singers Lamb and Lynx Gaede ("Prussian Blue"), age 13, in 2005, they were singing Aryan-heritage songs at white-supremacist venues, under the guidance of their Hitler-admiring mother, April. Nowadays, the girls are off the road, according to a July report on The Daily, and have almost completely renounced their political fervor (to April's disappointment). Said Lamb, "I was just spouting a lot of knowledge that I had no idea what I was saying. My sister and I are pretty liberal now." Added Lynx, "Personally, I love diversity. I'm stoked that we have so many different cultures." Both girls have struggled with illnesses since their fame and credit a new treatment that they praise for easing their conditions: medical marijuana. [The Daily, 7-17-2011]"
I would use mj lolli pops or just the thc pills if I could get them at this point. I would love to have a few laughs about now.
Well yeah. If you're going to a doctor who is going to drug test, then I'd imagine you'd be wise not to engage in the use of it period. Or... get another doctor if you're so inclined. I think my point is that this is not the type of thing you want on your permanent record because doctors and other medical staff will treat you differently. They are supposed to be unbiased, but they aren't. And has been previously mentioned, it can have lasting implications down the road when decisions are made about who gets what in terms of tps and things of that nature.
And for me, this is merely academic, because I don't use it, but I do see this sort of thing happen to patients. And I don't necessarily think it's fair that I can ride through tx on morphine and demerol and the doctors say, "meh, it's a prescription, it's fine," and someone else gets crucified for a little ganja. Honestly, there is a part of me that says, "Sniff, Pot, not very classy," - and that is exactly the same type of elitist thinking that many doctors have. At the same time though, there is another part of me that says, "absolutely none of my business, and if it helps someone get through this, why the heck not?"
So. That is more about my inner thoughts and prejudices than anyone wanted to know, I'm sure. But my point is, I don't see the harm, but I think if you can keep it under wraps that's probably the wisest course of action. If you are going to a doctor who will bounce you from treatment for it and test you, then it's probably not worth it. There are pharmaceuticals out there.
I think the problem is that tests can reveal the presence of mj in the body. Then it's even worse because you lied about it.
Also, I've said it before and I'll say it again. Some of you are way too honest with your doctors. It's like you get in there and the place turns into a confessional or something. Some things are actually medically relevant to your care and other things... They're just going to prejudice the jury.
Hypothetically, of course... One might want to think about whether being on medical marjuana roles is the best way to go in event of future tp. And one CERTAINLY might want to think about whether one's doctor ever need know that one has partaken or does partake or whatever.
I can honestly click off no on the no drugs /alchohol etc. But if I couldn't... I think I might be really careful about what I revealed. Ok, feel free to attack.
I never liked pot personally. It made me terribly paranoid, and conversely, it made me nauseous and ill the next day. Go figure. There are, however, 2006 and 2011 studies showing that it's helpful for many people in moderation while on tx. I would have to assume this is for people who don't have substance problems, of course. And frankly, I always suspected this would be the case. It helps patients in too many other situations.
I used heavy prescription narcs to get through tx and I would do it again tomorrow. I just don't see the difference philosophically. Sure, there's that legal snafu in some states, which I also find ridiculous. Just sayin' But last time I checked, I'm not anybody else's mama here. I say, whatever works. Treatment is freakin' hard enough already without putting all kinds of prohibitions on people.
After all, if they sold medical marijuana instead of potential deadly pills, their stockholders would lynch them. Remember 350 billion $’s last year in pills sales. Huge smiles on the stockholders’ faces.
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Are you taking any of those so called " deadly pills" to eradicate HCV...or are you doing just pot?
I wish you the best with your treatment. and whatever gets you thru...however not once after reading this thread did I personally think anyone here was spewing anti-pot,,it seemed like they were just giving their own points of view on it...also I for one found the article Eureka posted to be very interesting as I had no idea
fwiw...my own take on pot ...didn"t like it .... ever. ..but each to their own..
Will
And I should add, it's not about politics: politicians do NOT set Transplantation Guidelines.
"Eureka and others are the adamant anti-pot spewers"...
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You obviously did not read my posts in entirety ...perhaps you stopped reading because you assumed I am anti-pot, which I am not. As I had previously stated, to the contrary, I am of the view the Medical Marijuana should be legalized in all states, and that Transplantation guidelines should be changed to allow mmj users transplants. In fact, I would have encouraged my husband to use MJ during his 139 weeks of Interferon, but doing so would have removed him for the Transplant list.
To be frank, I'm most pleased for you that you are having success with pot use -- just as long as you are appropriately informed that in the event of liver failure you would not be eligible for transplantation, even with NV MMJ laws, then my posts were not in waste. Be well. ~eureka
Not promoting anything. You, Eureka and others are the adamant anti-pot spewers that will keep this potential healing herb from helping others, as some naive politicians are doing because they are too busy trying to solve other problems and don’t want their constituents to think they are pro-pot when it comes to re-election. The pharmaceutical companies would be proud of you and them. After all, if they sold medical marijuana instead of potential deadly pills, their stockholders would lynch them. Remember 350 billion $’s last year in pills sales. Huge smiles on the stockholders’ faces. To most politicians, pot is still the mental scene they remember from the movie “Reefer Madness”. To many, taking potentially deadly pills prescribed daily is not a problem, but smoke some medical marijuana, and watch out... you will destroy your liver....
As I'm not promoting, you and others should also not promote. Just telling my tale and stating that I feel this is an alternative to quitting treatment because of horrific side effects. As someone else posted, “it’s up to you”. Be happy with your method and let others be happy with theirs. Write to your congressman tomorrow and promote the use of medical marijuana and you will gain 10 points from me. Right now you are just gaining a descriptive non-knowledgeable rant.
More power to you and those that instead chose to suffer through all this without knowing the benefits. As you pointed out, I don't know the potential negative effects, you obviously don't know the potential positive effects. This will be the last I will post regarding this thread...
Magnum
Whatever you need to do to get through trt, go ahead and do it. That's your personal choice. However, to come here and promote the use of mmj without acknowledging the potential negative effects in very naive and dangerous. Eureka makes an excellent point that can't be ignored. There are so many other alternatives to deal with nausea and anxiety, but if mmj is your choice of medication be sure to weigh the benefits vs. risk. The unknown effects of THC on an already compromised liver is something I don't want to experiment with. That's just me.
I'm new to this forum & hope to inspire others the way ya'll have inspired me ! THANX!
I'm with you always hated smoking Marj....It never made me feel good and I would be afraid it would exaggerate my already strange side effects.
Thanks for posting this article:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/russ-belville/the-denial-of-organ-trans_b_435348.html
I found it thorough...AND alarming. Despite the approval of medical marijuana for patients bey their own doctors even, they were denied transplants of liver and kidneys because the criteria for transplant is mismatched to the approval of medical marijuana even in those states where it's legal, it seems. Important for people to understand the reality of that, regardless of whether it's fair or makes sense, it happens to be the reality. People need to understand that so that they can make good choices for themselves. I don't know what it's like in Canada, will have to look into that. Thanks for pointing this out, maybe you saved some lives with this post.
Trish
Is there a difference from medical MJ and the stuff you get on the street? Just asking. A tad ignorant on this legal smokie smoke........
"Chirrotic and .... never felt better"
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Glad to hear that... you do realize, though, that is also the case with many patients diagnosed with HCC. No matter, Magnum... I just felt your post needed a footnote: "MJ helps with HCV therapy" *except when transplant is needed. Hope you never have to face that possibility. Best wishes. ~eureka
I'm Chirrotic and smoked it for 4 years and never felt better. Probably saved my life by medical marijuana killing all the bad cells. And the debate rages on...
Magnum
I say "cross that bridge when you get to it", as far as being denied a transplant...
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The occurrence of HCC for cirrhotics is 1/20 per annum. If you're cirrhotic, it's a risk factor that needs to be considered, and once diagnosed, HCC can kill within 6 to 9 months. As far as crossing that bridge... the hope is no one has to get to that bridge... but if indeed there were an appeal for to the courts for denial because of current guidelines, the chances of surviving HCC long enough to cross that bridge are slim to none.
Absolutely: getting through treatment may save your life... and whatever it takes to get there, go for it... my point is just that folks need to realize that if circumstances put them in need of a liver fast and marijuana use is detected, under current guidelines transplantation excluded, no ifs, ands, or buts. That's not to say I agree; in fact, the opposite. However, the reality exists, and until things change (which I hope they do), folks need to be aware of the possible consequences of the choices they make. If it helps to get through treatment, smoke, and enjoy, by all means... just realize that if you develop the need to be listed for transplantation... you won't be.
At any point of refusal for transplant or treatment of Hep C due to the use of medical marijuana if prescribed by a licensed doctor goes to court, what judge would not have the compassion to consider this a necessity for a sick person to tolerate his suffering by the use of medical marijuana? After all, this is not the Dark Ages or the Salem Marijuana Hunt. A very strong argument can be made against such laws, and what committee or judicial system would want to be shamed by refusing a sick person a "natural" remedy for his or her sickness.
The newspapers would love a story like that, as well as the 6 o'clock news. Prohibition didn't last, and this stupid denial of medical marijuana law won't last either. Funny thing is, that if a senator or congressman's wife or child, or himself would have a situation such as chemo therapy, I guarantee you they would send someone running to get medical marijuana to ease the suffering.
I say "cross that bridge when you get to it", as far as being denied a transplant or treatment. But for now, if it helps you, then overlook the purists and hypocrites and enjoy the benefits of feeling better AND getting through treatment, which may save your life. That's the key words, "save your life". Follow the laws, or save your life. It's up to you...
Magnum
Vermont Medical Marijuana Laws
Full Text of Vermont's Medical Marijuana Law
Vermont Senate Bill 7
AN ACT RELATING TO THE COMPASSIONATE USE OF MARIJUANA FOR MEDICAL PURPOSES
It is hereby enacted by the General Assembly of the State of Vermont:
Sec. 1. 18 V.S.A. chapter 86 is amended to read:
CHAPTER 86. THERAPEUTIC USE OF CANNABIS
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Subchapter 2. Marijuana for Medical Use by Persons with Severe Illness
§ 4472. DEFINITIONS
For the purposes of this subchapter:
(1) “Bona fide physician-patient relationship” means a treating or consulting relationship of not less than six months duration, in the course of which a physician has completed a full assessment of the registered patient’s medical history and current medical condition, including a personal physical examination.
(2) “Debilitating medical condition,” provided that, in the context of the specific disease or condition described in subdivision (A) or (B) of this subdivision (2), reasonable medical efforts have been made over a reasonable amount of time without success to relieve the symptoms, means:
(A) end of life care for cancer or acquired immune deficiency syndrome; or
(B) cancer, acquired immune deficiency syndrome, positive status for human immunodeficiency virus, multiple sclerosis, or the treatment of these diseases or medical conditions if:
(i) the disease or condition or its treatment results in severe, persistent, and intractable symptoms; and
(ii) in the context of the specific disease or condition, reasonable medical efforts have been made over a reasonable amount of time without success in relieving the symptoms.
(A) cancer, multiple sclerosis, positive status for human immunodeficiency virus, acquired immune deficiency syndrome, or the treatment of these conditions, if the disease or the treatment results in severe, persistent, and intractable symptoms; or
(B) a disease, medical condition, or its treatment that:
(i) is chronic, progressive, and debilitating; and
(ii) produces severe, persistent, and one or more of the following intractable symptoms: cachexia or wasting syndrome; severe pain; severe nausea; or seizures.
(3) “Marijuana” shall have the same meaning as provided in subdivision 4201(15) of this title.
(4) “Physician” means a person who is:
(A) licensed under chapter 23 or chapter 33 of Title 26, and is licensed with authority to prescribe drugs under Title 26; or
(B) a physician, surgeon, or osteopathic physician licensed to practice medicine and prescribe drugs under comparable provisions in New Hampshire, Massachusetts or New York.
(5) “Possession limit” means the amount of marijuana collectively possessed between the registered patient and the patient’s registered caregiver which is no more than one four mature marijuana plant plants, two ten immature plants, and two ounces of usable marijuana.
(6) “Registered caregiver” means a person who is at least 21 years old who has never been convicted of a drug-related crime and who has agreed to undertake responsibility for managing the well-being of a registered patient with respect to the use of marijuana for symptom relief.
(7) “Registered patient” means a person who has been issued a registration card by the department of public safety identifying the person as having a debilitating medical condition pursuant to the provisions of this subchapter.
(8) “Secure indoor facility” means a building or room equipped with locks or other security devices that permit access only by a registered caregiver or registered patient.
(9) “Usable marijuana” means the dried leaves and flowers of marijuana, and any mixture or preparation thereof, and does not include the seeds, stalks, and roots of the plant.
(10) “Use for symptom relief” means the acquisition, possession, cultivation, use, transfer, or transportation of marijuana or paraphernalia relating to the administration of marijuana to alleviate the symptoms or effects of a registered patient’s debilitating medical condition which is in compliance with all the limitations and restrictions of this subchapter. For the purposes of this definition, “transfer” is limited to the transfer of marijuana and paraphernalia between a registered caregiver and a registered patient.
, but out of some of that banter comes good
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light hearted banter is good for the soul ..our health and our livers IMHO
I can"t say too much either Pro..as I have been whacked on the wrist recently also...
Best to you..
Will.
I have to hold my tongue, someone mentioned a slapping of the wrist last night..Apparently it is a two strike system, and I woke up with a sore wrist. Still got my stars, but one strike against me.
I can remember when exchanging wit for stress release saved my butt during my 72 weeks of TX. I looked forward to the banter, a much enjoyed diversion from the strong drugs. Granted things run off topic, generally spontaneously, but out of some of that banter comes good , valuable info, as in the article posted last night, now deleted.
Just my opinion, could be the last I'm able to give
Pro