I got cured! No more PATM

[Flowersmell]

First, I need some of you to respond to this:
Male or Female?
How old are you?
At what age did your PATM started?
What do you think started your PATM?
Have you ever talked about it with anyone? What did they say?
Did your family, friends or strangers ever say something to your face?
What has been working for you?
Do you have a partner?

I would like to compare my story with yours, before I share it. I know some won’t believe me, so I want to know before hand what I should include next time.  

I know what it is to be you. Have hope!

[PATMbashe]

Why are you complicating things?  Just share your story let the audience decide.

[Flowersmell]

Because of people like you I don’t.

[ocvq]

Male or female?
Male
How old are you?
30
At what age did your PATM start?
27 more or less
What do you think your PATM started?
According to me it is a psychological psychosomatic effect of the body, it is in full tension due to some mental effect or mental state that causes that tension to create a certain chemical composition ... ... why do I say that? Simply because when I am relaxed or sometimes calm on a visit the PATM disappears completely.
Have you ever talked about it with someone? What did they say?
Yes, everyone tells me that it is on my mind, that I do not have or do not notice any smell, in fact I was asking more than 100 people at first like crazy, everyone, even the taxi driver one by one when they took me ... … That was when he was about to kill me for my PATM status
Has your family, friends or strangers ever said something to your face?
What do you mean? If it's something about PATM, nothing. On the other hand, if I take very deep negative experiences, starting from a teacher who trusted her very much, I recognize that certain traumas make a beginning for my social phobia, that was clear in my psychological assignments.
What has been working for you?
The correct breathing and to be of the most relaxed, to leave moments in tension, work a lot in the mental….
Do you have a couple?
Only occasional, no compromise.

Also clarify about body types and our nervous system: Excited and passive.

[Wannaknow101]

I feel the same way in that a proper breathing posture helps in reducing patm. What bothers me, being an analytical and logical person, is that i cant seem to explain other parts of patm. Like how it seems to pass through walls, while driving with windows up, through video calls, and phone calls. It hasnt been as bad either, so theres degrees to this. Wtf

[rt7467]

Male or Female?
Male

How old are you?
36 (too old to deal with this)

At what age did your PATM started?
28

What do you think started your PATM? Started with numerous rounds of antibiotic and then following up with chronic stress and anxiety. Then lack of sex which causes more stress and anxiety. Just kidding about that last line. I'm a comedian lol

Have you ever talked about it with anyone? Close family and you guy of course.

What did they say? Mental problem. One of my brothers jokingly said I was possessed by Annabella (the horror movie) lol.  She better not be haunting my life cause I'll get Chucky on her.

Did your family, friends or strangers ever say something to your face?
One of my cousins I explained my problems to last night said my brain need a reboot lol. I'm looking for the Alt Control Delete button to reboot my brain lmao

What has been working for you? Staying positive relaxed and calm, eating healthy, excercising, etc  

Do you have a partner?
This crap messed up my social life so only my partner is my left hand. When it get exhausted it's the right hand turn lol. All jokes aside, I would love to find love again after when all of this is over with.

NOW, LET ME HEAR YOUR STORY!!! I GOT MY POPCORN AND DRINKS READY.....  

[rt7467]

*So my only partner

[InGodWeTrust505]

Yes, It is a kind of demonic possession. It happens due to many factors one of them is Magic Witchcraft, Evil Eye. So, that explains everything, specially those stories about patm can go through phone lines ,nightmares, hating Musk and specific aromas that demons hate, feeling unreality at some occasions, hating to go to prayers at Churchs or  Mosques or  even refusing the idea of religion, sensitivity to sounds, strong libido or disturbed desires, OCD or illogical reasoning, doubt and phobia in some patmmers, tingling sensation, pulsating sensation in various parts of the body and usually at privates parts, blurry vision, hair loss, heart palpitation, trouble focusing, disturbed memory, in some people these physical symptoms can go further to even illogical signs such as losing weight in just half of you body while the other half intact same for hair loss.
Also there are other phenomena that happens around you that can't be clarified such as patm though phone lines etc.

I used not believe in none of this at all , I just thought it was a bacteria or kind of parasite. But that Idea was quickly turned down for the fact I was tested negative for all the pathogenic test there are. So, I moved to the idea of IBS and started many diets. But that did not explain many other complications and soon those diets did not work at all. I bought many supplements and stick to a specific routine ,again nothing worked.

I believe that you Patm

[rt7467]

The culprit behind this madness is your mental state. I came to this conclusion awhile back and once I started focusing mainly on mind with continuously positive thoughts, vibes and energy I felt some of the weight lifted off me.  No supplements worked for me either. I've been battling this for 8 long years and nothing worked besides getting my mind in the right place and at ease. I know it will take time to heal fully because our brain is battered with chronic stress and bad energy that causes chemical imbalance. I believe we somehow rewired our nerves and now we have to let it heal in order to get our life back.

[InGodWeTrust505]

Once I started focusing on what I just came to , I started to felt a lot of relief. None of what you have said has worked for me this is just nonsense because why us. There are tens of thousands of people how suffers a lot more that we do with a huge burden on them and mental stress yet did not develop a patm. If you think of as energy that is up to you. I'm not with fighting the bad thoughts with good ones, that's a step closer to end this misery but it it not gonna solve it. We are dealing with intelligent beings how can think its not just energy.

By the way a former patmer called faaris was active on this forum and he came to this conclusion in one of his post he detailed everything about it. I think he managed to control it completely and never came back again. Search his name with medhelp in google and you shall find his articles.

There is also a German guy "Patmer" mentioned something in one of his articles he said that a guy come to him while he was one the train saying to him you're going to die no matter what you do. There is also patm thruogh phone lines phenomena which has happened to many including me. These cases can not be ignored just like that. I think Energy can not do that.

Whatever it is, energy or possession, there is an effective way to reduce symptoms which is bathing in salty water I prefer alum that regular salt or a combination of them.

[rt7467]

Like I said in my earlier post, your mind is a very powerful tool and doctors don't fully understand how it works entirely. I feel like we started gravitating towards that lifestyle with constant stress, depression and PATM we turned it into reality. It's all bad energy slash vibration. I used to make people react thru walls, phonelines, thru car with their windows rolled up, etc as well and it was weird man. I don't know how else to describe it. Once I changed my way of thinking it went away slowly during a period of time. Now, this is how I figured this isn't triggered by bacteria or virus. It is kinda like we are possessed with this kind of unwanted power. In order to heal you have to start with your mind whether you believe me or not. I'm just here to help others and possibly lift some of the weight off them. I  am doing much better than where I was a year ago.

[rt7467]

Lots of people have mental disorder but not PATM because they simply don't dwell on it. They probably have something that they dwell on that we don't have. I didn't suddenly have PATM. It worked it way and gotten worse because they way I was thinking and I started gravating towards that life

[rt7467]

Like I said in my earlier post, your mind is a very powerful tool and doctors don't fully understand how it works entirely. I feel like we started gravitating towards that lifestyle with constant stress, depression and PATM we turned it into reality. It's all bad energy slash vibration. I used to make people react thru walls, phonelines, thru car with their windows rolled up, etc as well and it was weird man. I don't know how else to describe it. Once I changed my way of thinking it went away slowly during a period of time. Now, this is how I figured this isn't triggered by bacteria or virus. It is kinda like we are possessed with this kind of unwanted power. In order to heal you have to start with your mind whether you believe me or not. I'm just here to help others and possibly lift some of the weight off them. I  am doing much better than where I was a year ago.

[InGodWeTrust505]

I can see that you have come to a firm understanding that this PATM has nothing to do with viruses or bacteria or fungus etc. as we used to believe earlier . What gets me crazy is those new PATM who still believe it is pathogenic though they do many test and result come back negative. They don't know that we have been though all of that experience and did everything to prove it is germs related but none of that worked.

I can see that your understanding and also some others such as Londongril92 of it as bad energy is the closest conclusion to my understanding. I hope other patmer start to accept this and not waste their time running after none-existing germs. Only those with +10 years battle with this illness can fully understand what we're talking about.

I wish you all the best.

[rt7467]

For sure. I agree with you saying all these newcomers thinking it's viruses, bacterias, worms inside is causing patm. To me, that theory been debunked years ago.  How are old are you? And how long have you been suffering for? And where would you rate yourself on the scale of 1 thru 10 patm level?

[Cecco]

It would be nice to know what was there first, the spiritual part or the physical part. The physical part could have caused the spiritual part and vice versa. But if the cause is spiritual then you can't defeat it with physical measures.

There are like 2 parties in PATM sufferers, the logic people that say it is caused by a pathogen and the intuitive people that say it is caused by a curse. It can be compared to an autistic man and a hysteric woman. :) These are examples when one side is off balance. The autistic man has very low spirituality and emotion but very high logic, whereas the hysteric woman has very low logic but a high emotion/empathy.

Just want to say that the physical and the spiritual are intertwined and affect each other. Like in the Satya Yuga you could move objects with your mind (pyramids?). Now that we left the Kali Yuga the spiritual is getting stronger again.

Also if you want to shut off somebody who 100% believes in physics and 0% in spiritual then ask him who invented the laws of physics? Isn't it like a rulebook, but who wrote it? We just discovered pages out of this rule book and there are still thousands of pages hidden.

But then you could also asked who created god? The answer can only be there is no end and no beginning, that means we create god (or we become) and he created us. :)

[ocvq]

I think that it is not evil or good, because there is no objective definition as it is understood, the meaning of bad energy or good energy, or good or evil, we give it from our civilized social coexistence, then , for the universe as well as space and time everything is the same, there is no evil or good, so ...... What we do is create communication codes, norms of coexistence, moral norms-laws written or not written, through which we give the meaning of what is good or evil, that creates conflict in our thinking, ..... the human being, as well as other living beings, know fear, but I do not know if they know or conceive stress and anxiety is already characteristic of civilized beings due to the ability to reason and create their own written codes or not for mass coexistence, this is where stress and anxiety are generated because we do not limit ourselves or we demand , we grieve, we worry, we think about the present and fu I constantly ture ....... etcs, in addition to mention that it does not impact a problem to everyone equally, fear is not measured to everyone equally, everything is relative, example: a person who lives in a conflictive neighborhood will witness a murder with little impact, but a person who lived in a quiet neighborhood will be shocked and even pass out. Another example: For a serial murderer, killing is not bad, that decodes his mind, while for a person who is not a murderer, that will be and if he does it, he may curse himself for committing that fault, some will even come to kill oneself ......... They are ways of seeing, perspective, points of view. Try to be relaxed, I know it is difficult, even worse when you start that path, you will try to flee, but with the will of the day to day, with the little that is practiced, this will be consumed ... Greetings (and I am not religious, but that does not make me a murderer or a thief, or a rapist, etc., as I said, there are coexistence rules and they are for something, ..... blah blah blah)

[ocvq]

Yo opino que que no es el mal o el bien, por que no existe esa definición objetiva tal como se entiende, el significado de mala energía o buena energía, o el bien o el mal, lo damos nosotros desde nuestra convivencia social civilizada, entonces, para el universo así como el espacio y tiempo todo es igual, no existe el mal o el bien, entonces......Lo que nosotros hacemos es crear códigos de comunicación, normas de convivencia, normas-leyes morales escritas o no escritas, mediante eso damos el significado de cual es el bien o el mal, eso crea conflicto en nuestro pensar,..... el ser humano, asi como los otros seres vivos, conocen el miedo, pero no se si conocen o conciben el estrés y la ansiedad ya es propio de los seres civilizados debido a la capacidad de razonar y crear propios códigos escritos o no para la convivencia en masa, es ahí donde se genera el estrés y la ansiedad por que no limitamos nosotros mismo o nos exigimos, nos afligimos, nos preocupamos, pensamos en el presente y futuro constantemente.......etcs, ademas mencionar que no impacta un problema a todos por igual, el miedo no se mide a todos por igual, todo es relativo, ejemplo: una persona que vivo en un barrio conflictivo presenciara un asesinato con poco impacto, pero una persona que vivió en una barrio tranquilo quedara impactado y hasta algunos se desmayar. Otro ejemplo: Para un asesino serial, matar no es malo, eso decodifica su mente, mientras que para una persona que no es asesina, eso estará y si lo realiza, puede ser que el mismo se maldiga por cometer esa falta, algunos hasta llegaran a matarse......... Son formas de ver, perspectiva, puntos de vista. Traten de estar relajado, se que es difícil, peor aun cuando inicias ese camino, trataras de huir, pero con voluntad del día a día, con lo poco que se practique, esto se llegara a consumir...... Saludos (y no soy religioso, pero eso no me convierte en asesino o ladrón, o violador, etcs, como dije, existen normas convivencia y son para algo, .....bla bla bla)

[Kk234]

It’s not a mental state...it’s  a parasite and doctors will not help. All those symptoms listed are symptoms of a parasite/ parasitic infection. You need to do an intense parasite cleanse. Along with your positive thinking you are probably eating better (healthier) and depending on your diet would suppress them making you think positive thinking is controlling PATM. Lab test are  unreliable. PATM is a parasite, which can be airborne. Please  look into this. There have been people who have taken various stool and blood test and results came back negative for worms and they took matters into their owns hands and cleansed and  passed tape worms. Western medicine is a scam.  They want people to be sick and label everyone with delusional parasitosis When they are the delusional ones because everyone has parasites, some are “not harmful” so they are not reported in a stool test. They are the delusional one. Everyone has parasites. If any doctor tells you, you do not have a parasite, tell them they are uneducated, even they have parasites... they are the parasite.

[patmguru]

This plausible, because one saying I hear often is that an idle mind is the devils playground.
I notice when my mind is idle, is when people start reacting violently around me. Loud, obnoxious sneezes or coughs.
Even as I type this out people are reacting in my office.

[Arnaud123]

Male or Female?
Male

How old are you?
28

At what age did your PATM started?
26

What do you think started your PATM?
Lack of sleeping, not interesting work and I think it was prémédités from birth.

Have you ever talked about it with anyone? What did they say?
To my mum. She is not believing it much specifically when she or someone else cough she doesn’t make a link.

Did your family, friends or strangers ever say something to your face?
No

What has been working for you?
Very hard. Permanent brain fog and depression.

Do you have a partner?
No

[Patmwtf]

Male or Female?
Male

How old are you?
26

At what age did your PATM started? 18

What do you think started your PATM? Appendix removal coupled with antibiotics and bad lifestyle has created a bad bacteria environment thats almost impossible to reverese.

Have you ever talked about it with anyone? Yes my mother

What did they say?
Thought I was crazy and paranoid.

Did your family, friends or strangers ever say something to your face?
Yes have you farted, I feel sick, what's that smell. Stuff like that.

What has been working for you?
I havent stuck to anything long enough to notice much difference. I believe bacteria repopulation takes years to repair with a very strict diet and lifestyle. Something I have not got the willpower for

Do you have a partner?
Impossible to have a relation ship when you don't even like yourself

[tennis89]

Male or Female?
Female
How old are you?
Age 30
At what age did your PATM started?
Odor - 13
Reactions from others -15
What do you think started your PATM?
Too many antibiotics, nearly a pure sugar diet, potentially mold, or Lyme disease leading to candida overgrowth, leaky gut and autoimmunity.
Have you ever talked about it with anyone?
Yes my close friends/family and my partner

What did they say?
Don’t notice it - still love me

Did your family, friends or strangers ever say something to your face?
Yes - middle school and high school - quite traumatic .. it was at that point I found this group online so I’ve been aware I wasn’t alone for about 15 years

What has been working for you?
Implemented functional medicine approach - anti candida regimen, leaky gut repair, right nutrients .. I’m 80% better and can function quite normally.. have some roughy moments sometimes and I’d love to be able to pin down the culprit - think it’s food related..

Do you have a partner?
Yes - married for 3 years... met in part because of PATM

[rt7467]

I DM'd you. Would like to hear your side of the story a little more

[PATMgirl]

Bonjour,

homme ou femme? Femme
Quel âge avez-vous? 37
À quel âge votre PATM a-t-il commencé? 26
Selon vous, qu'est-ce qui a commencé votre PATM? Ne sait pas
En avez-vous déjà parlé à quelqu'un? Oui
Qu'ont ils dit? Jamais de confirmation, on m’a dit que j’étais folle, paranoïaque, sous-entendus
Votre famille, vos amis ou des inconnus vous ont-ils déjà dit quelque chose en face? Non
Qu'est-ce qui a fonctionné pour vous? Rien
Avez-vous un partenaire? Non

[Arnaud123]

Tu es française ?

[GullibleClowns]

Stop being gullible you clowns. Do you think a nobody like Flowersmell would know the answer when all the doctors didn't have clue what patm is? I know you're all desperate but it doesn't mean you should fall for a deceptive person. None of you have the financial means to pay researchers to do a Gas chromatography mass spectrometry (GC/MS) analysis of samples from patmers in comparison to normal people. Unless that happens we don't have a chance because we currently don’t or will never know where to begin. That being said the best you can hope for is for some huge cash to fall from the sky so that you can pay researchers to shut up no questioned asked and just get on with the research that is urgently needed. For now just watch your diet, stay healthy and live as happy as can be.

[GullibleClowns]

Let me guess Flowersmell will tell you to concentrate and use your brainwaves to wish it off. We have too many charlatans these days that it shouldn’t surprise anyone. There is nothing you can take orally that can take away patm permanently. If you want to know and have a chance of treating or curing patm, you’ll have to study medicine or if too late, encourage your kids to study medicine. I mean a degree in medicine and surgery (medical doctor), not facebook or traditional bs medicine. That is years into the future, 3-7 years, but it’s a sure route.

[GullibleClowns]

Covid-19 is horrific but has pressured many universities to provide almost everything online. This should make it easy for younger members to do a degree in medicine because they continue to have the financial support of their parents, a privilege most adults don’t have. If you choose to pursue a medical degree, the only time you’d be physically required to be in college is for some lab sessions, everything else including the lecture and most lab sessions, is provided online. It’s still a terrible experience but at least we have a chance of getting the necessary skills needed to track down patm. Aside from the above is for some philanthropist to hand over to us a few millions and that’s not going to happen within our lifetime. Encouraging people or nurturing kids to get into medicine appears to be the only way.

[GullibleClowns]

I have seen people here trying to explain the internal molecular function of the human body. The truth is a person without a medical or related degree is as useless in tracking down patm as a fisherman would be within a chemistry lab. We aren’t near 1 percent of the necessary skills therefore we should stop falsely believing and pretending that some of us do.

[anig_88]

First, I need some of you to respond to this:
Male or Female?female
How old are you?33
At what age did your PATM started?32
What do you think started your PATM?during covid
Have you ever talked about it with anyone? What did they say?yes. .it's not true don't accept it
Did your family, friends or strangers ever say something to your face? no ..but obviously they react opposite to what they say
What has been working for you? so upsetting
Do you have a partner? no

[crazeek]

You never said what your cure is.

[endya1]

Male or Female? Female
How old are you? 45
At what age did your PATM started? 40
What do you think started your PATM? Fatty Liver Disease
Have you ever talked about it with anyone? What did they say? Yes, several friends and family who kind of think it may be n my head
Did your family, friends or strangers ever say something to your face? no
What has been working for you? Not a lot
Do you have a partner? Yes