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202436 tn?1326474333

What would YOU do?

Here's the scenario:  

You are driving down the road and the car in front of you has small children (carseat age) that are either NOT restrained in their carseats or there ARE no carseats.  What would you do?

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i've fortunately never seen toddlers out of car seats but i have seen older kids (5 and upish) roaming free in the back of cars, vans and trucks. i've called the police a few times. the latest i didn't have my cell phone on me and this kid had to have been no older than 6. JUMPING from the back seat to the cargo area (it was a station wagon) of the car. mom LAUGHING about it, dad not saying a word... while driving down the interstate!!! i was MORTIFIED!!!!! the woman saw me staring (how can you NOT stare at a 6 year old jumping through a car doing AT LEAST 70?) and proceeded using a few rather explicit words with me...IN FRONT OF MY CHILDREN!! who were properly buckled into their car seats.

dh actually got mad at me last week when we went grocery shopping for this one. we were walking through the parking lot (yup we go shopping as a family...all 4 of us) when i heard a baby crying. i freak out hearing a kid cry whether it's mine or not...i just can't stand hearing a baby crying. makes my heart go GAH! and want to hold them. well i find the car with the baby. she (she had on a pink sundress) and i'm guessing her brother who was about 3 or 4 were in a car...when it was 80 degrees, windows up and NO adults ...anywhere! so i called the cops. dh said to ignore it that it wasn't our problem. (he doesn't like dealing with people...me on the other hand won't stand by) i waited by the car until the police arrived (about 8 minutes later...and still no adult) they jimmied the door open, removed the children and put them into their vehicles, called cys (this was about 15 minutes later...still no adult.) and took my statement. FINALLY this woman comes sauntering out of the store...buggy full and starts SCREAMING about stealing her kids. i was walking to our suv by now but i did hear the cops tell her to shut the f* up and proceeded to lecture her, gave her a ticket and told her to wait by the mailbox for her citation to appear in court for child endangerment and neglect.
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1035252 tn?1427227833
GA and Summer, Thank you so much for replying to my dilemma! I'll definitely try emphasizing it to her but she's only 20 months so her understanding is limited...but I am completely of the school of thought that you can't start explaining things too young. i believe that getting into the habit of explaining things rather than just expecting them to accept "because mommy says so" is a much better thing to do because they'll start understanding one day and you want to already have a solid base. But I digress, lol. She did alright today...she spent last night at her grandmother's house so that we could pack and finish preparing our new house with toddler interruptions and I think the change of pace was enough to stem her boredom because there were no incidents of escape today, so maybe I just have to figure out new and exciting things for her to do in the car because it seems to be boredom that's giving her the incentive to become a monkey.

I'll definitely continue verbally emphasizing it, but I'm going to hold off on letting her unbuckle herself because she's too smart and too tricky for her age she would be out every 5 seconds, LOL
thanks again
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I would have gotten the cops' badge numbers and taken it higher up. I would have even maybe taken it to the press. Ugh that is so wrong. I hate police officers that don't take their job seriously. Now I'm more upset about the story about the cops than the story about the parents!
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1163675 tn?1274627512
That is a really hard thing to deal with.  I had to deal with my 4 year old unbuckling himself :(  The only thing that ended up working was straight up talking to him.  Every time we got in the car I would say "Are we ready to be safe?"  "Can we drive without you unbuckling?"  I sort of made it so he thought he was in control.  I wouldn't move until he agreed to be safe.  If I had to pull over I started the process again.  For him, things REALLY changed when I allowed him to unbuckle himself when we were stopped.  It finally gave him a designated time when it was safe to unbuckle and he stopped trying when we were going down the road.  Maybe something that like would help you as well?
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202436 tn?1326474333
So many replies...lets see if I can remember eveyrone I wanted to say something to:

Cassandrajane:  While I agree about the actions of your sister being nonconducive to parenting, I did want to point something out.  There ARE children who have speech delays that are NOT a result of developmental delays or environmental factors.  While most kids begin speaking around the age of 1, others may not fully grasp speech until 2 or even 3 years old.  Just an FYI, I'm not trying to disagree with anything you said.

mom2ariana:  I think I'm the opposite.  I have to keep my mouth shut sometimes in order to keep from getting myself in trouble becuase i DO have such a big mouth.  I do NOT have a problem calling the cops on someone though.  DH and I probably could use some tact training because neither of us mince words when something bothers us.  Case in point: an old lady in our neighborhood walks her dogs all the time and lets them pee and crap in everyones yards... One day I cought her and asked her NICELY "we'd appreciate it if you would keep your dogs out of our yard"  the old biddy replied with "I'd appreciate it if you'd move to the tundra" (whatever THAT means) so me being me, told her she was a bitter old b**ch and it was no wonder canines were the only ones who put up with her and I called animal control.  I prolly could have handled it better, but well, that's me LOL

JoyRenee: Again,small town politics, the mayor here works for the LARGEST and most dominating real estate company in this and surrounding counties, it's one of those I scratch your back you scratch mine kind of things...the mayor, city council, judges, police and sheriffs departments are all in cahoots with each other...you can complain til your blue in the face and all it will do is cause them to disrespect YOU and give YOU more tickets.  

Ashelen:  dd6 used to do this.  As long as the straps are as tight as you can get them without hurting her and you keep her clip at armpit level, there isn't much you can do.  DD6 used to UNDO her clip or slide it down...drove me absolutely BONKERS, but she eventuallyoutgrew it.   She also used to get herself stuck in some strange contortions trying to get out of her carseat.  As much of a contortionist and monkey as DD6 was and is, she was never able to get out of her seat past getting her arms stuck or pulled out.
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1035252 tn?1427227833
On this note, Maybe someone can help me with my new(est) toddler problem.....
I may be making myself look like a failure as a mom...but...I'd rather look that way than continue to risk my daughter's safety. for the last 3 days we've been in the car a lot (we're moving so we're back and forth all the time) and my daughter has figured out how to slip her arm out of her shoulder strap. we move the chest clip so high that it's almost under her chin (she's still in a 5-point, don't worry), and the straps are absolutely 100% tight enough...i can slip a fingertip but not a full finger under (i'm a carseat nazi myself, lol)...but she's double jointed so she can really twist and wiggle and get her arm up out through the neck hole....I'm at my wits end. I've turned around 6 times in the past 3 days to see her like this and I always pull over and fix it and move the chest clip up to the level of her armpits (sometimes higher when I'm desperate) and boom she's out again. Am I doomed to be making 10x-a-day pit stops to fix this or is there some way to make it impossible to wiggle her arm out? she never gets OUT of the seat, the lap section is way too secure around her hips to let her wiggle out that way and she's not as flexible with her bottom half...but it's enough that it terrifies me! and yes she is getting her arm up above the chest clip and the chest clip has never moved down when I check her. I honestly think she should win an award for this talent...but I would rather she stopped all the same.
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Sounds like you need to contact your local authority that is over the police station (mayor?) and tell them about this incident.

I call the police when I see children unrestrained as well.
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1163675 tn?1274627512
I have been called a "carseat nazi" on MANY occasions.  (Warning:  information overload to follow)

I would have called the 911 right away.  If that cop ignored the law, I would demand to have his superior sent to the scene.  What that cop did was NOT good.

Children should be rearfacing as long as possible.  I HATE when people turn around their infants because they are over 20 lbs.  There are car seats that rear face to 45 lbs, so there is NO reason not to rear face children as long as possible.  There is a car seat at Walmart that rear faces to 35 and forward faces to 45 lbs for around $32.  The American Academy of Pediatrics recommends that children be rearfaced until AT LEAST the age of 2 and 30 lbs, but longer when possible.  Children are more 7x more likely to die when turned forward facing.  There has never been a documented case of broken legs or leg problems in children who are rear facing for extended durations.  Remember state laws a MINIMUM requirements.  Since when is the minimum something parents should strive for?  It seriously bugs me.  Car accidents are the leading cause of death to children under 12, and 90% of car seats are misused.  I think its a serious problem!!  Children should also be harnessed as long as possible as well.  You can get car seats that harness to 65lbs and booster to 100lb for about $139 through WalMart.

It bugs me SO much that parents do not follow instructions in manuals.  Car seats are NOT supposed to have anything under them (towels, mats, blankets, etc).  Car seats are not supposed to move more than 1 inch in any direction at the belt path (this is one of the most common problems).  Straps are supposed to be "snug as a hug" and you should not be able to pinch the strap or its too loose.  The chest clip is just that - a CHEST clip, therefore the top of the clip should be even with the arm pits not the belly button.

Also, different state have different laws.   In some states, a child must be in a car seat until 8 or 80lbs.  There are awesome sites that will break it down for you.

Side note:  Children should not be eating in the car anyway, especially taken out of seats to eat.  It is also not safe to hover over a car seat to nurse a child.  In the case of a car accident, a mother can fall on her baby and smoother the baby.  Find a place to pull over and keep everyone safe.
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1298204 tn?1277420085
last year I saw a man driving down the FREEWAY with his daughter in his lap (I am guessing she was about 5). I got his plate # and called the police, I hope they got him.
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1222635 tn?1366396286
ahh i missed all this but yes im from alabama and i was p i s s e d off about this. idk whether or not the car was on, but even if it had been that was equally as dangerous. i stayed until the mom came out which was only a few minutes..but who knows how long she'd been in the grocery store because she had quite a few groceries. i gave her a dirty look..im not very brave when it comes to things like this..but anywhoo i hope she got the message and felt guilty. i would have.
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1303813 tn?1303159362
my 10 yr old sister plays with my brother in the field across the road but we can see them at ALL times, they also play with my sisters best friend and her older brother and sister (they're about 16 and 17) but they are always where we can see them if me and my mum are unable to go out side with them, Either doing work or cooking dinner and cant go out with the cooker on, but we can see them and most times hear them laughing away and trust me if anything happened we'd hear them scream too.... But they are ALWAYS in view. ALWAYS! my boyfriends sister Im sorry should NOT have a child and another one on the way, she goes out EVERYNIGHT and dumps her son on whoevers available! I'm sorry but NO! and on weekends again going out drinking (Even now when she is pregnant) and OMG on weekends her son goes to her parents, and say whilst she is still there her son needs a clean nappy, she will say 'oh mum can do it, he aint my responsibility' Im like you sodding what love? You created that life Bloody take care of it or one day it wont be there you selfish cow... ( I didnt tell her to her face yet, but EVERYONE wants to, just waiting for the right time) ANYWAYS.... Evenings she just goes out... gets pissed and then yeah, In the mornings when your child gets up or if they're in a routine and they wake up the same time everyday get up about half an hour before? nope she dont, she stays asleep on the sofa and doesnt bother, when her son is in her care he has the worst diet in the world I feel so sorry for him. she is attempting to potty train him and she lets him run around naked, at her mums house on the weekends he wears pants, when he needs the loo, he knows what to do on it he just doesnt know that he needs to pull down his pants because his mum never taught him. i dont think he really knows who is mum actually is. His Speech for a 2 1/2 yr old. Is NON existant... he has SO many people around him and all he can say is nanny, grandad and no. is all, whereas my 3yr old brother at that age, my gosh you can have a full on convo with him and he had less people around him. But it was the encouragement my brother had that my nephew is never going to have from his mum....
Its so sad. and she has one on the way!!!!
about this baby... (The new one)
she basically concieved this child through jealousy.... because her brother was having a baby and she wasnt getting any attention (The wrong reason to have a child)...
and now her brother is having a girl she wants a girl, but if she has a girl her son would be totally forgotten!!

Oh and she refuses to get a job even after this baby is born because she cant be bothered!!!! but she can be bother to get rat arsed everynight with 'NO money' and the only reason her son will be going school is because of my Boyfriend other wise he wouldnt be going to pre school, and would start school when he was 5 if she could be bothered to take him!! Freaking annoys me, she is so crap!!

I have so much more, but i'd actually be here forever, and probs run out of space!!!

Thats not a good mum

Another incident:
In this country Sunday or Monday a little boy of 5 months was taken to Hospital due to 40 degree burns FROM THE SUN! because the mum was Sunbathing and forgot she had her son with her!!!

OMG! Some people are just so ARGH! If you have children you guard them for your life!! Not give birth then think awh other people can do it, ive done the hard part of giving birth and carrying it around for nine months!

Its so ridiculous.


Ahh I feel better.

x
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202436 tn?1326474333
Something else that bugs me...is seeing kids under the age of 6 and as young as 1 out walking the streets by themselves or with a sibling that is also under 6.  Do you REALLY think a 4,5 or 6 year old is gonna know how to properly supervise a 1, 2 or 3 yo?  

I don't have a fenced in yard and i won't let my Ds5 and DD6 outside unless they are with me, DH or DD13.  They are NOT allowed to leave the yard without DH or I and DS1 does not go out unless DH or I are outside.  

We had an incident here a couple of years ago where a women (who lived in government housing) left her kids home along while she was doing I don't know what.  They were 10 mos, 3 or 4 and around 6.  Well the christmas tree caught on fire.  The 10 month old girl was killed and the 2 boys had such severe burns that they were sent to the burn center in augusa.  One stayed there for several months, the other was there over a year and still had numerous appts to go to.  Fortunately the mother WAS arrested and charged and the 2 boys had a sweet grandmother who got custody of them.  It's sad, just sad.  I'm not a perfect parent but if anything I think I'm a little OVER protective of my kids...of where they go, what they do and who they are with.  
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1123420 tn?1350561158
Yea shes from Alabama.  But Im from the North, up in Michigan, and our cops and laws are just as ridiculous.. Like my Sons grandmas boyfriends daughter (ha confusing) just got her kids taken away for doing drugs, selling drugs, cheating the welfare program, and letting her kids play outside unattended on a busy street right in town. and she did coak and crack while she was pregnant with her kids and drinking, parties. she even let a man rape my DFs sister for some hits of crack, with her kids in the house.. and this has been going on for years, they just took them away 4 days ago, and gave them back yesterday.. wtf.. why would they give them back.  Thats why i say if you dont look after your kids then no one will.. the law *****, and they dont care.  I just feel so bad for those innocent children out there that dont have there parents looking after them.  I even took a gun pointed at me by my own sisters Boyfriend last year for standing up for her small children, they were smoking weed with the kids right there. and my sister was holding her baby, breastfeeding, while taking hits of the joint. i was disgusted so I spoke up, yea well he didnt like that.. lol..  I love children and i would do anything to protect a child, even if it isnt mine, and thats not even my duty, these cops get paid to take care of us and they cant even do that right.  
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492921 tn?1321289896
I personally have called the cops a few times for children left in a car in the summer alone. It gets in the 100's here and doesn't take long to heat up a parked car weather the windows are down or not. I worked at a video renal store parents always thought it was ok to just run in and look for a movie while there child stays in the car. Not ok with me.

Come to think about it the last two incidents I heard in the news of infants dieing in a car were Florida  and georgia.  This just makes me so sad. They can't speak for  themselves we have to.  
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202436 tn?1326474333
what part of georgia are you in?
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1035252 tn?1427227833
I have to concur...I live in North Florida, aka South Georgia...and we cross the line all the time to go to Thomasville and like I said as long as you're not speeding you can do just about anything in GA and it's golden with the cops. Not that our FL cops are MUCH better, but I live in a college town so they're a bit more diligent.
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1262373 tn?1281543782
well personally I always put my children in their carseats, however I am guilty of getting the in 3rd row of the van and taking my infant out an nursing while my hubby drives.  Then after the baby was full enough not to cry anymore I'd put her back in her seat buckle her back up and climb back up front.  But my other child never got to get out and climb everywhere while I was nursing.  As far as the cop goes.....I've had an incident or two and have noticed the total lack of concern with the police here in GA.  We had an attempted robbery at our home and I called the police - it took them 30 mins to show up and then when they "circled the neighborhood and couldn't find anyone" insinuated that I was crazy and imagined the whole thing!!!! ARE YOU KIDDING ME??? Why in the world would I waste an hour of my life reporting it if I was making it up??? For real people - anyway my point is that I think that sometimes it's necessary to hold your child in your lap but a child shouldn't ever be roaming around the back seat and point number 2 is that the cops here in GA SUCK!
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1287128 tn?1331134538
What's the point of having a law if its okay to break it? In my town tho i live close to minneapolis but about an hour away that i'm in a small town in wi but i think our cops are strict so i don't think it'd be an issue of them not getting in trouble. Its something that is so important.. your literally dealing with the life of a child. Parents make mistakes but this is just utter stupidity there is no excuse for that. As someone else said, kudos to your hubby for at least trying because someone has to speak up for the little kids of the world- sounds like you got yourself a great guy!
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1102290 tn?1278499953
I would have given the dirty look and probably yelled some crap at them .... but if I saw the mother pull the kid to the front seat I would have called the cops... I really can not come up with anything --- I am just in shock.
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1225070 tn?1344709174
I would completely ignor the police...If you push something hard enough they have to cave...btw I'm from Georiga too...The laws with children aren't that great, my "bad" aunt was doing drugs and all kinds of other disgusting stuff around her kids, putting them in danger and GOD knows what else...it took a lot of calling and pressuring for us to get someone to do something about it. The cops can say all they wont about "not worrying about it" but like I said, you keep pushing and they'll have to start taking you seriously!!!
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1152782 tn?1451101426
Oh my goodness.  Well good for ya'll calling anyway!! I can't believe the cops are like that.  But at least you know you did everything you could.
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1035252 tn?1427227833
ammanda...isn't Rachel in the south, too? I don't know what it is but a lot of people have babies young here in the south, and then do REALLY stupid things with them. I know that happens everywhere, but I've seen what mom2ariana described SO many times...and twice I actually stood outside of the car and waited to make sure the parent was going to be back shortly and told them that I would call the police if I ever saw it again when they got there. One time I called the police because I stood out there for 5 minutes, there was a 2 or 3 year old boy strapped into a closed car with no windows up and no A/C in the middle of a FL summer....and I don't know how long he had been there before I got there, but after 5 minutes I called the cops, waited until they got there (another 8 minutes) and said if they didn't charge the woman I would personally find her and beat her @$$. there was something in the news about her getting busted the next day...but it made me rather irate.


I also was driving on the highway yesterday with DH and he goes "WTF?! stupid ******** (some unrepeatable words)" and pointed at the car next to us where this child still young enough to use a sippy cup (maybe 2, MAYBE 3) was sitting in a car with the windows completely down and he wasn't restrained AT ALL while his dad was smoking a joint in the front seat and blaring his music....we tried to get his license plate number but, no surprise, he HAD no license plate. we called the FHP but we were already out of town and he tore out of the stoplight so I have no clue if he was caught or not.
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1123420 tn?1350561158
Oh wow i am completely disgusted that nothing was done to that ma, not only for endangering his children but for the horrible threats towards your DH.  This world is so messed up, there so worried about making the stupid laws about no smoking in bars and crap, then worrying about crap like this

Which reminds me, Mom2Ariana, text-ed me and said she just pulled into a parking lot and there were two children in the car windows rolled up, hot as heck outside and the parents were in the store.  I was shocked, that irritates me so bad.  then about 20 minutes after she tells me that, I went up town to get some dinner, and pulled into the grocery store and there was 2 kids in the car by themselves.  One about 6 or 7 and the other had to be maybe 2 or 3.  and the keys were left in the car and the car was on.  they were jumping around rolling the windows up and down, music blaring.  and what is that mother thinking not only leaving them out there, but leaving the keys in there and the car started, that 7 year old could have put it in gear or something.. some people are so dumb, it irritates me.  If i would have time i would have sat there till there mother came out and said something to her.  I could never imagine leaving my baby in the car alone, or in the heat like that.  I would be worried of over heating him, or someone stealing them.  There a child molesters out there, kidnappers.  Kids are being taking everyday.. and parents just don't seem to care... Im so like shocked to read this.. i would def. had done the same thing your Dh had done.. Kudos to him, hes a great guy and can def. tell hes a great father!
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202436 tn?1326474333
I agree.  Unfortunately where I am there's a lot of "small town politics" going on. Unless it's something THEY consider an emergency they'd rather not be bothered.  Talking to the Chief or the Sheriff wouldn't get anything done. BEcuase they themselves could care less.  Most of the cops around here are too fat to do anything to begin with.  

We don't have a shortage of police and matter of fact on any given day you can see several cars huddle in parking lots while they shoot the breeze becuase they have nothing to do.  

The most exciting thing that's happened here recently was a cop shot a guy who attacked him and tried to get his gun (the guy had JUST gotten outta jail, go figure) and then some dipwad killed himself playing russion roulette.  But even those two incidents happened 2 weeks apart.  So they don't have the excuse of prioritizing what constitutes and emergency..the only excuse they have is sheer laziness.

I almost tihnk they deliberately choose the laziest people to become deputies.  When DH worked at the jail we watched all the guys who had gotten in trouble, or didn't do their jobs, get sent to mandate to become deputies while the guys who did their jobs, never broke the rules and were extremely reliable were passed over time and time again.


Gotta love a small town.  It just slays me that the cops around here are so "forgiving" of all these people putting their children in harms way.  
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