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What is your god/god's/divine being?
Is god a man ?
IS god a being a pure light?

Personaly I believe in a divine being If it god then fine but i dont think the god and the devil are different. But one being. Look at nature or your body it is only wiht a perfect balance do things function right you must always balance what you have/do/take/eat. I god is a perfect being then it must be like yen and yang both good and evil but in perfect balance

as for sex i dont think it matters  
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662085 tn?1331345560
I'm sorry i did not mean it that way nor did i mean to push you away feel free to stay
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I did not realize I was being Dominate; perhaps I should express my personal beliefs in a safer place as to not offend anyone.  Sorry, I just have strong personal belief and was not trying to push them on anyone, perhaps I get too passionate or perhaps you are too defensive, I don't know but will perhaps skip this  this section in the future.  Take care, Thank you for listening and your honesty.  Hey Jude .
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Hmmm you see i like that. Its seems so much more peaceful. Your very right it is a choice. A lifestyle choice. Its important to have a belief but no reason to over front with a domination.


       When having these conversations it is hard for people to not get a little upset. We are emotional beings thus we cannot help ourselves. Perhaps i will start a new section in here for share our exact views. I would love to share my views
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Perhaps to give us a choice.   Cloudwindgate, it is okay if you disagree with my beliefs, I am not offended. and by no means do I want to offend you.  Life is a choice and my Christain beliefs are my choice.

I would be interested in learning more about your choice if you care to share.  
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You and i differ in beliefs like a apple and orange but both view can become spoiled and yet both can taste so very good.

I wont lie the second paragraph upset me at first but i understand that it comes across the way it does because its what you believe and it shows sthenght in your beliefs to stand in that way.  I'm glad you realized you cannot sway me although i dont really like the way you put it. I dont believe Jesus and Jehovah are the same but even if hes the sonare we not all sons and daughters of God

I dont believe in demons or the devil. Why would god the most powerfulist being need a rival.
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I believe I can possibly help to explain a Christians belief in the questions you asked, or at least I will try.  First, let me say that according to Christianity, the Lord wants you to question Him as the Truth.  He wants you to question because you must accept Him based on your belief and faith..  He wants you to know in your heart you believe in Him. So it is good to ask questions in order to find if you are a believer..

I also want you to know, I cannot sway you to believe in Christ.  No one can.  Accepting Christ as your Savior and the Lord, as the Truth, as the Way, as the Love, as the Light or however you want to refer to Him is a personal relatonship.  You must seek Him and you will find Him.  He will knock on the door of your heart and it is up to you if you want to answer the door and allow Him in.  The only thing that I can possibly do is to try to answer your questions about Christianity the best I can and share my love and comfort and joy I have found in Him.

Yes Jesus was a man in body but He was of God in spirit.  I have a hard time imaging that the Father, Son and Holy Ghost as one; they are the same spirit.  The man Jesus was filled with the spirit of God, he was one with and was God in spirt.  I hope this makes sense to you.  He was not just a man.

Jesus' death did strengthen his story but the fact that he arose from death is also part of his story. Once again, you have a choice to believe or not believe he is the Lord.  And being a believer is more than just saying I beleive, it is a lot more, that is only the beginning of your journey of spirituality. Your belief will grow if you desire it too, if you ask it too.

You ask why does God test us?  I don't believe God tests us, I believe Satan tests us.  I do not know or understand all there  is to know about Christianity or Christ but I do know that my faith in Christ grows and my personal relationship with him grows because I have a desire to become closer to Him, I ask for him to fill me with his spirit everyday.  I  am sure their are others that can answer your questions better than I, but, I wanted to share what I could.  I hope you find what you are looking for.


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I always love your comments as well i will strongly consider reading that section. Yes i do own a bible "New World Translations of the Holy Scriptures" and ive seen older ones and i find it strange the things they have changed. I try to be open minded about all things i encounter but of course at times i cant help but have a closed mind.  I feel hes death only sthengthens the story of his life. Someone in another little discussion stated that many books of other religions speak of Jesus but as a man. If he was the last why does god still test us. Lol you must be getting tired of this. It is like i said before you cannot sway someones beliefs in less they doubt already. ............

I dont think i every gave them any relgious backgrounds there just to insane for it lol.
actually i think it would be to much work for them lol crazy's to busy having fun and the sock kings to busy trying to get crazy toi help him rulew the world :P
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Hello and welcome to this debate or more or less disscusion. First to start a fire for you and m e to talk i will talk of the subject you bring up. I do not believe anything is pure evil i dont believe its possible. Even the man who kills other may do a kind act. This is one i struggle with im unsure how the world will end. Look the earth is rejecting us already. With all gods power if there is an end to this hell i think it will instant or within moments. Some people believe that the world wont end but a new begining will start the world will start to get better and i like this belief but i think that the world is more of a pimpul needing to be popped so im not so sure if things will slowly get better. What about 2012 their is most interesting info on that

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I dont wish to join a bible study again for the last one i was looked down at like i was some disgusting pig trying to steal their food so no thank-you
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Cloud, if you decide to read the Bible, there are Bible for students that are easier to read and a question section.  You may want to join a Bible study group someday. ..just a thought.
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Howdy Cloud,,,

Hey ya know what?? You ask lots of great questions, you do...and as I am reading them, I started to think to myself that I think you should consider getting yourself a bible (if you don't have one ) and start reading in the Gospel of John,,,Thats the book right after Luke.

And I know you might say well I read the bible already...Okay, but Cloud,,read it with that inquisitive mind that you have, fully open, and open heart and ask God, hey God if Jesus is truly the way,,,I will believe you God IF you show me when I am reading. I say this because the bible says the Holy Spirit will teach you. Cloud do you believe that the Holy Spirit is capable of teaching you or anybody for that matter? I am guessing, but I have a feeling you will say yes I do believe that....Okay so now what that will do,,,IF you read the bible with that mind set,,,,you will be reading it the way God wants you to read it so that God can show you that path that you are looking for.

And one thing, you said it wasn't how Jesus died that was important but how He lived his life....Okay, yes how He lived is life was important because it showed us who He was,,,,BUT it is VERY important how he died,,because Jesus died for the sins of the world - EVERYONES SINS. And it was the shedding of his blood that was the atonement for our sins. God always said sin was worthy of death and that is why the animals were sacrificed,,,,so the final sacrifice (Jesus) there also had to be shedding of blood,,,And Jesus said on the cross "It is Finished."  Meaning no more sacrifices - He was the final sacrifice for the sins of the world.
And at that very moment the curtain of the temple was torn in half supernaturally. God now made a way that anyone could enter the temple and not just the High Priests. But anyhow I'm tired now... hey does Sock King and Crazy believe in Jesus? :) I hope so!  Talk to ya again,,,but Cloud, really I hope you start to read John in the bible, its a good book to start with and remember to ask God to show you stuff in there before you start reading it.....seeya:)
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I am very much a Christian.  I look at God and Jesus as one.  In the Bible Jesus said I am one with the Father and the Farther is one with me.  If you beleive in me than we are one.  In the Bible Jesus says that he is the truth and he is the light.  Jesus said no one get to the Father except through Him..  Christianity is very simple... My belief is:

Because we are human and are of sin, we could never reach the Father.  Through Christ giving his life as our sSaviour, we are made perfect and will be with the Father.  I believe   life is a journey and the goal of our life is to serve the Lord by sharing his love, helping one another and leading them to the path to discover the Lord our Saviour and finally to eternal life with Him.  I beleive the Lord is light and love, I believe if you believe in Him than his light will guide you down the path to eternal life with Him.  If we wander off the path we are in darkness.  I believe darkness is evilness.  I believe there is a constant battle on Earth of Good vs. Evil.  I believe that God is all things good.  I believe the book of Revelations that the world will end from the battle of good vs evil on this Earth.  
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O i like this alot. Such a nice interesting view on this. I can't help to agree with this and it's almost perfect for me to hear. It does not curse anyone but much in the oppisite. I wish to learn more its very fascinating to me.  Is all of Budhism seem to be in such a peace. Wait this is better placed as a queastion.  


    I can't help agree for it was their paths that lead them to the light or to as you put it "Godhood"  
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A dialogue of Gautam Budha and chef disdiple;
A non-believer in God asks Budha, Is there a God? Budh replies  There is a God.
A believer in  God  the same questions. Is there a God? Budha says there is no God.
Now Anand is perplexed. He thinks over this dialogues with two persons .
Anand asks Budha, To one man you replied that there is a God and to ther man your replied that ther is no God/Why were there opposite replies.
Budha replies that if I had told non believer that there is no god, his exploration for god will stop for the whole life.. And if he had replied to believer that God exists, he will also stop exploring for God. Budha says the main thing is exploring, digging, questioning, and experience.
This is a famous dialogue of Budha and his disciple.
People will believe God in their own image. A blsck man will see  Him black. White man will see him white. Yellow man will see him yellow.  Horse will see him in his shape
Budha. Mahvir, Christ, and all other had reached god hood. Godhood is same ; the paths were different. When you ask them what you have achieved, they would say it is unexplainable. You will have to experience it. You can’t describe it.
Exploration is important, The effort to exploring him will give us right dirction.Destination you may reach or you may not.
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lol wow that seems kind of cruel "non believers" Even athist have belief in fact its there lack of a belief whihc in turn is a form of spirituilty...o well So feed us more why have you chosen this path and what is this other hunger.  
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:-) Thank you for being so open/honest here.  It is good to be able to converse and share the different views and how we came to them. Some have unusual experiences that they cannot explain & point them in the spiritual direction to find answers.

Others were brought up in an environment & begin to think for themselves and figure out what they believe....so many ways in which we reach into spiritual realms.

I am glad you joined us :-)))))
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I'm personally a STRONG believer in God.  I'm a strong Christian who does believe in the bible.  I also have a very strong other spiritual side, which there are things I do see that I can not explain.  I do not tell other people in real life about my other spiritual side as there are a lot of non believers and I consider myself in the "spiritual closet".
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I love to discuss these things at times i go quiet but thats because i can only put my attion of one thing for so long but im glad to keep this going up until it becomes uncivil :P  i enjoy it to

       i'm more using an open debate style so i use you as a source to aim at but im not really shooting you. When i said that you are not my main focus and like i said when people can only say i accepted Jesus as my savior and if you wish to be saved you must too. I become bored of them for all they want is for me to believe in what they believe if i broke or bended so easily then were is my faith. Just because i accept that for the time if my faith is weak then it shall break once more. So i stand like a moutain and it may take
every ounce of power to budge me but only i can cause the slide when i tell the plates to move.

               When Jehovah calls to us it may be under a different name/names or place and way, but know that its god calling you and take heed for you must listen carefully if you are to hear what you must to find the path in which you can walk without stepping on glass.    In my view it was not how he died which was important but the life he lived before his death.  I dont believe in any hell that we dont create ourselves. Its only in the minds of those who wish to believe.    What if Adam and Eve didn't even excist perhaps we have never had paradise. Perhaps its waiting for us on the other side. No one knows to matter what bible or words you speak you have not seen it nor have i so whos to say thats so wrong. Perhaps the Buddhist arn't wrong. Maybe we just keep living life to learn a lesson and the more lessons we learn perhaps closer to perfection we become.

                Why must one pay for the sins of the father and if god knows what will happen why start the cycle. I am not wise nor strong enough to say why nor what god is but i do know what i can feel and see. I know i can feel that their is something out there watching over me.  I feel there is something more then this. I cant feel if my prays are heard nor can i feel what has passed. I god know of sin before hand why make the tree why place the apple there why not tell Eve. What of Lilith? She was damned for what reasons because she did not love Adam and love the world which god had created more.They fought to much for she wanted to be equal to Adam. If god is so forgiving then why not just forgive them for what they did.


       There are so many books and story and for every person Jesus touched told a story and spoke of a tale different from others.

       So i shall believe in Jehovah and i shall wait till i see gods calling to me.  



       How funny you were a non believer and now you feel saved. You are not the first but what i want to tell is that other beliefs have made others believe they were saved and they to prech the words of there beliefs in order to save others. I must conclude here for now till latrer enjoy
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Hi Cloud, I took one statement to start with. And remember, if at anytime, you don't want to discuss this, let me know because as I said, I don't want to push my beliefs down anyone throats anymore, I am wrong when I do that. As I had mentioned above, I am doing what I am told to do as a Christian, which is to tell people what the Gospel is, then from there my "mission" is complete unless someone wants to discuss more and then I am more than happy because many times I have learned things from others too.

I always tell people as long as it remains civil, I am totally up to it:) I enjoy it as a matter of fact. So I'll start with this......

You said:  We as mortals judge others even though we are not to. When you cast someone out because their views are different then  yours then Who's the Demon?

Okay, so that statement  or similar is something I hear a lot and in answer to that statement I always tell the person they are not hearing me. This is what I wrote above:

"So if I give the gospel to someone and they say, forget it I don't believe it, does that mean I should not like them anymore? No of course not. Of course I would still like them. Does it mean I am better that someone that is an Atheist? No of course not."

So as you can see *I* am "not judging" anyone at all. I have probably more friends than most people and many of them are not Christians. Those are the people who know me best and know I am not judging though I am sure I have pushed the Gospel a little too hard on them years back when I was first saved, I don't do that to them anymore, its their choice, but I did my job by at least in presenting the Gospel to them and some are in fact now Christians.

But anyhow, its "us" -the people who bring "judgement upon ourselves." Here is the scripture that backs up what I am saying....................

John 3:18 "He who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

So anyhow as you can see I did not cast you out and *neither did God*.
God sent His son to DIE for you, so *He* certainly didn't cast you out either. Do you see what I mean?  I hope I am explaining this clearly? I'm not always that great at getting what I have inside of me across to people.
But anyhow what I am trying to say is......................

It's people choice to "reject" God *IF* they so choose.

God does not send ANYONE to he!l.
Jesus said "choose life." Its up to the person to make his or her choice - a personal choice.

Does God love everyone? of course he does. "God so loved the World that He sent His only begotten Son....."
Cloud, if a man came gunning for you and broke into your house and I was there with you and the man pointed a gun at you and pulled the trigger, but I quickly threw myself in front of you to take the bullet.
What I did was I sacrificed my life for you and died in place of you, for you. In essence that is what Jesus did for us. It all goes back to Adam and Eve.
It was a perfect world until they disobeyed God and brought sin into the world. BUT here's the thing, God knows all things and He knew sin was going to happen before it all happened. And so Jesus was always part of Gods plan - before the foundations of the world.

Romans 5:19
For as through the one man's disobedience the many were made sinners, even so through the obedience of the One the many will be made righteous.

So that verse is speaking of Adams sin(disobedience) and then the "obedience"is speaking of Christ's death on the cross.

So that was just in answer to one of the points you made. I hope I made sense in the way I tried to explain it. I have trouble focusing sometimes thats why I figured I should take just one point at a time. Let me know if you still want to discuss this stuff or if you're tired of it, thats okay. I won't be insulted, I understand. My mothers Uncle used to preach the Gospel to us.
He was the first one in my family to become born again ( actually his wife was) and we all used to roll our eyes when we would see him coming:) because we knew we would have to listen to stuff about the Bible and we were not into it. Yes my family (except my father) would go to church now and then but only because we thought going to church would get us into heaven and thats not true, its false teaching.
Church doesn't buy the ticket onward and upward.
*But* Church is part of Gods plan, though sometimes "man" gets in the way of how churches should run and thats when they make a mess of it. Though if one looks around a person can find a church that is teaching the things of God, instead of only being concerned how big and fast they can grow.
So thats about it for now:)
Take care,
MO
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*Big Grin* back to you. Thanks for the kind words.
I read your post and enjoyed reading it and I want to get back when I have a clear head. It figures, I want to answer this and I have been so busy running around doing things. And your posts call for me to have a clear head and not tired so I can think..

I knew you would know of that book:)  You don't need the help though, you definitely are using the right side of your brain to draw or else you couldn't draw as well as you do, right? Really, wouldn't that be so? You would know that answer better than me thats for sure.

I will get back hopefully tomorrow or over the weekend. I don't like to rush when I answer this. Actually our posts couldn't be rushed. They're too deep, intense, yessiree:)

The "sock king" - :) thats great. I can't wait to see him.

Are you doing art for a living? I hope so. Thats the ultimate to be able to make a living at what you love doing. I never had that. I make some money here and there but never a living in music. My gift is bigger than where I am in life actually, but whattaya gonna do, right? Thats life....

I'll be back. :)
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First  *BIG GRIN* :D I like your wisdom no matter if you take scripts from the bible you think it and analize it and that in its self is a great thing. I thank-you for accepting my invite. I like deep conversation of any kind. I'm often told i think to much and i do agree i do and at times it makes my life harder. But so many people in this world dont think ehough ...(forgive my spelling)

       lol Not me i always been like this around others ive cracked my shell alot i just cant start a conversation with someone i havent know for a long time and i recend aroud people i dont know

       I believe in Jesus, But i dont know if he was just a good man or if he truly was the son of god. Perhaps he was driven by god if we are all sons and daughters of god. But thats not all that important what he did is more important and further more i dont know if he died for our sins but i do know he stood before all of those who would cause him harm and spook of his beliefs and of peace he did not do it with a weapon but with his words and he brought hope to many that is whats important to me. He stood up for what he believe in a time when people would not do such a thing.

    O do not get me wrong people out there do worship the devil as in the devil himself and do bad things. I wasnt trying to say that their wasnt    I simple was stating that there are many people with different views but some have found there path.  

   Much like my other views i do not believe anyone is born with spiecal talent. We must gain it. People you see with exspical talent did not start that way. For example  bill gates hes a work aholic he worked all the time and thus he gained great knowlege. Thank-you again i love to be stroked i will not lie who doesn't like to hear nice things  


    Yes that is a great book im trying to get it again i have the work book version and everyone recommends it

I do brain excersizes in the morning their simple things that seem strange but they are interesting you should try them some time it get your brain working in interesting ways.
1.lift your right arm and then left leg hold it for 5 secs
2. reverse the action
3. Do it again but dont hold
(this is more if your going to write or draw and i do before some times when im stumped)
4.put a piece of paper in the middle of you and draw an infinity sign or side ways 8 trying to go over the line and keeping the center of it in the middle of you do at some pace not to fast but not very slow i usual start slow and pick up pace. All this get both side of your brain working. and if you want to do only one side for example right side only draw the left side of the eight.

You are right we see the detail in things. But it flows in levels when i was young i only notice the colors then i realized there were lines and now i see outlines were there is none. but im very far from the great and i envy those who better then me but it drives me to trey harder.


I would love to hear what else you have to say again thank-you for accepting.
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Hey Cloud,:)
First off thanks for the friendship invite. I'm very happy to have you as a friend. And you are welcome as far as the comment..
You said:I'm a quiet person with so much to say and so many thoughts held in. So if you feel emotion in my words its more then likely because of that. It's not an anger, but drive and getting a chance to explain myself without the fear of being outcasted anymore then i already am."  

Yes I did feel emotion in your words and that is why I like you and your personality. I speak with a passion also and I find that people that don't speak with a passion are dull, and very boring. I know I am not boring And you aren't either.:)

Now here's the thing, I used to be shy too, up until my mid teens. I decided to break out of my shell because I just couldn't take being shy anymore. I hated it. I know >EXACTLY< what you mean when you said you have so much to say and so many thoughts held in. I went thru that for years, tho my kindergarten report card had "talks too much." I still can't figure that one out to this day.
I'm happy you feel that you didn't have the fear of being outcasted. That makes me happy that you feel comfortable in speaking to me.

You said a lot in your post and things that I do agree with - things done in the name of Christianity , crusades,,,etc. My answer for that is there are a lot of things that are done and people claim to be Christians or doing it in the name of Christianity, but that doesn't mean it really represents Jesus.
For instance, I am Prolife, but any person that murders a doctor who performs abortions, that does not represent Christianity. That represents a person who is a murderer period. Maybe insane, maybe not, but they murdered and that would not represent what true meaning of Prolife or Christian is.

You wrote a lot and I read it and I respect whatever someone else believes, but as I mentioned, my heart is to just tell people what I believe to be Truth. After that, I shake the dust off my shoes and as I said, it doesn't mean I am a better person or that I don't like them because they don't have the same belief. I am not above anyone. I am just saying my belief is that Jesus died for my sins and He went to hell for 3 days so that I don't have to. It like a - what do you call in baseball when someone else runs for you after you hit the ball? Pinch hitter or something like that? Well Jesus is my pinch hitter. He went to he!l for my sins and now I don't have to. Salvation is a free gift from God.

We cannot earn it by doing good things and that is what is so hard for us to understand at times until we are saved and learn of God Grace.

From the time we are children there is a "reward system" - we get a star on our homework if we do it. We get an allowance for making our bed. And then we go to work someday and we get a bonus for bringing in the most money for the company. So its hard to grasp that in order to be saved, it has nothing to do with "doing something that deserves a star like on a piece of homework", it just means saying "hey because I believe,, I accept that Jesus died in place of me, and for me, (died for my sins).
I don't have to do anything good for salvation, Jesus did it for me, but after salvation that should lead me to 'want to' do good.
You said: ". We can not be forgiven for what we have but we can make up for it"

I disagree, the crux of Christianity is forgiveness for our sins. God can do anything.But do you know there is one thing that He cannot do?  
And that is,He cannot remember your sin once you confess it. He forgives you and the bible says He throws our sins as far as the east is from the west. So when we feel guilty still, its not Him reminding us of our sin, He already has forgotten it, its us not forgiving ourselves and letting it go.

Its all about Gods Grace - and Grace stands for "unmerited favor," - not deserved but we got it because He loves us that much.  You said you pray for forgiveness, well if you ask God for forgiveness, He will forgive you. The reason a person might not feel forgiven is because it takes faith in knowing God, knowing He will and can forgive and the bible says the way to have faith is to hear the Word of God. "Faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the word of God. So forgiveness takes faith in knowing that God has forgiven you. If someone feels God will not forgive then they will always carry a heavy weight on their back because we all make mistakes, sin whatever. As a matter of fact the bible says "If you say you sin not, you are a liar."

You said what makes one belief so much stronger than another...other beliefs have books...
I think that is an excellent question! I like the way you think. That is how I was thinking when I was searching. I was turning everything upside down looking for answers. I found Jesus, maybe you will find something else. You will know when you have found the right thing because you will have a peace about it. Jesus has many names and one is "The Prince of Peace."

And Cloud in answer to that question about books,,what really pulled me in to believe the bible is not just a book, was when I read the Prophecies of Jesus.
They were written Hundreds of years before his birth. In the Hebrew Scriptures.
Of course those that don't believe in Jesus, say its not speaking of Him, but I truly believe that if a person is truly searching they will eventually find what they are looking for.
You might want to check out the "Biblical Analysis" forum.
I have a thread there- "Isaiah 53."

It was written approx 900 years or so before the birth of Jesus. These prophecies were spoken thru man but by the Holy Spirit. I believe that because these prophecies were fulfilled.

I know of Jewish people who have read Isaiah 53 and they accepted Jesus. Many have come to know Him thru that scripture.

As far as devil worship, there are more people in that than people will ever know. Some young people think its cool, but I can tell you that there are some serious worshipers of that out there(adults) and there are some horrible things going on in the world. People have no idea. If you look on utube you will see police reports.

And Cloud, as I said before, whether you believe the same as me or not, that does not hinge on whether I will like you or not. I do like you and I hope that you too break out of your shy shell like I was in. You have a lot to offer. You are very good at holding a good conversation.
I think because you are an artist that is probably why you are so creative in your thoughts and speak with such a passion.

I have to come back to your post again because you have brought up so many excellent questions and I want to discuss what I think about what you asked and also some of the statements.
I can see that you have really given a lot of thought to what life is all about. I think that is the artist in you. I am not an artist like you or my sister but I can draw a little. And one time I bought this book "Drawing on the Right side of the Brain." I am sure you know of the book. I was really fascinated by it.
In reality it is making someone who is not as strong on the right side of the brain, develop it more - like what you have natural, your gifting.  And that really just made an impression in my heart, it amazed me. Because it made me realize, its not that an artist just "draws better" than the average Joe,,,,,its that he "sees" better -what is really there, the object he is painting or the image in his mind. And that is what came to mind when the bible came "alive" to me. I felt a new world opened up. I wasn't just reading words in a book. I was having the same experience that an artist must have when he looks at the scenery and draws. He can see more than me, his eyes are open to it. I may not have made any sense, but I can't think of how else to say it.....

Good talking to you and thanks again for the friendship invite. :)
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Okay i feel better today head clearer and such. First of all i would like to thank everyone for their understanding. Second i'd like to state once more "I'm not going to try and recreate what i said last time!" I'm just going to start over with something new and write like i always do in the moment

So with that stated let me share my Evil thoughts once more :P
......*puts music on*

First I'd like to say thank-you for your comment about my art and my personality. Of course I'm a quiet person with so much to say and so many thoughts held in. So if you feel emotion in my words its more then likely because of that. It's not an anger, but drive and getting a chance to explain myself without the fear of being outcasted anymore then i already am.  

               The reason people look at like that and think your trying to be over them, because Your telling them they are wrong and this is the only right way. I never liked this very much i was born in the truth and at times it was good and it work'd but i never was very found of it. I learned some things but over time we stoped going and then after a while later i was opened to all these new ideas. I feel peace can be found in all of these places.  I know your mission and i will not try and stop nor would i cast stones at you but know i have heard your words before and i have spoke them before. I made my choice and my old belief says that i am damned but who are you or anyone else to say just because our beliefs dont match makes you right. What if im right (if i am your safe anyway lol)  I realize one day that if it feels right in your heart and it dosent hurt others then it can be right.

            We as mortals judge others even though we are not to. When you cast someone out because their views are different then  yours then Who's the Demon? I watched a movie i found very interesting called jacobs ladder. Well the main point is that devils and angels are the same thing. When you let go of your past life you see angels freing you but if you try to hold onto the bad things and onto life you see demons trying to rip you from it.  I thought this idea was very interesting and it kinda made sense to me. We as people wouldnt want to let go of our life thus the things trying to free us of it would seem evil.

         I have met many people in my life who believe in many things and some in nothing. It was all for their own reasons and that is fine with me. I dont feel people should be damned for what they believe more for what they have done in this life. One of my friends was a modern satainist which is not what most people think. ITs the worship of ones self not in any god. He didnt even believe in god but he was a good person and in my mind thats what mattered. I had a friend who believed in nothing but she said that she would be kind to her brothers and one day if she was wrong she knew she would be forgiven for her deeds were pure.


        People have been "Saved" by the spreaders of the word and in my opion why not. It's good if someone decides to change their ways to be better people for a belief, but in my mind its not the belief they follow thats important but the fact they decided to be better people. Love and kindness is what we need not more people carring a book againist those who will not have it. No door closes without another one opening.

      The church has done many bad things in the name of God. The crusades and o yes you'll go over and help people but only if they'll hear and read your beliefs. Dont do things because your beliefs say to do it because its the right thing to do. Dont prech words that you can't follow yourself.

     People look at me and ive been outcasted by so many. One i choose to be an out cast and stood away from everyone. In school i didnt wear what everyone else was wearing i didnt care about what other thought i was being me and in my mind that was fine with me. I wasnt another copy. I have issues i must deal with and i prey but i know that no prey is enough. That we must work for what we want.  If God loves us so much why curse us? Why does god let us suffer? why wont god shine the right path for me? Is it because i sin?

    I'm a sinner and what other believe to be sins im fine with. I like playing games and watching movies with monster, magic, and demons. I watch porn and i have curse others and I'm not sorry for it. Why should i be? Those people they hurt me and although i didnt do anything but it made me so mad. People treat others like crap and it fine when they go and do anything else there good people because why....Why and how I'm sorry no matter what anyone says going to church does erase what you have done nor does asking for forgiveness. We can not be forgiven for what we have but we can make up for it. Simple put if you cut some one you cant every undo the scar but one day when they need help you can help them. Then you make up for what you have done. i prey to be forgiven even if i wont be.
  
        

     Lastly   What makes one belief so much stronger then another? Other beliefs have books. What makes your so much better then the others. Since man could think we had beliefs cristainity didnt come till later and to help fight the other they would smit them. The devils image comes from a Wiccan god for hunting yet for some reason you all feel your story is so much more important then our when all our views are important each give us a little knowlege and understanding.

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Yep, I know just what you mean when you said its like art work you can never recreate the original. So, so , so , so true.  I would have liked to hear what you had to say, but don't concern yourself right now, I know how frustrating it is when a post disappears. Its a crumby thing. If you'd rather PM me when you feel up to it, you can do that too.

Take care:)
MO
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anything i write right now will be with anger in it so its just best if i leave it
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