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Rare cases
Below a collection of rare cases:
Case 1: Unprotected vaginal sex with confirmed HIV+ woman. CD4+ lowered from 920 to around 340 in six months. DNA-PCR, RNA-PCR and 4th generation Elisa all negative. Classical 'ARS' symptoms post exposure.
http://forums.webmd.com/3/hiv-and-aids-exchange/forum/1410/1
http://www.thebody.com/Forums/AIDS/Safesex/Q213121.html
Case 1: Unprotected vaginal sex with confirmed HIV+ woman. CD4+ lowered from 920 to around 340 in six months. DNA-PCR, RNA-PCR and 4th generation Elisa all negative. Classical 'ARS' symptoms post exposure.
http://forums.webmd.com/3/hiv-and-aids-exchange/forum/1410/1
http://www.thebody.com/Forums/AIDS/Safesex/Q213121.html
OK am sorry for misunderstanding!
The virus was never isolated by it self and thats make us think of the reality of what causing the symptoms of HIV, what protein exactly do and how and thats what i meant
The virus was never isolated by it self and thats make us think of the reality of what causing the symptoms of HIV, what protein exactly do and how and thats what i meant
you misunderstood. I was quoting you. Before you wrote: "this virus was never isolated by it self from any patient"
I shared the links to prove that the virus WAS isolated, not the opposite.
Personally, I don't believe a word of AIDS denialists.
I shared the links to prove that the virus WAS isolated, not the opposite.
Personally, I don't believe a word of AIDS denialists.
Am not sure what do you mean by the virus was never isolated especially with such papers that says it was isolated !?
The virus was isolated but not like other viruses ! some chemicals were used and they couldn't isolate it from all patients and am with you on that and this is one of things that HIV denialism use as a prove that HIV doesn't cause AIDS or at least not all cases !!
What I believe in and many others about this virus is that it was engineered so well and there is a lot is not well known.
The virus was isolated but not like other viruses ! some chemicals were used and they couldn't isolate it from all patients and am with you on that and this is one of things that HIV denialism use as a prove that HIV doesn't cause AIDS or at least not all cases !!
What I believe in and many others about this virus is that it was engineered so well and there is a lot is not well known.
"this virus was never isolated by it self from any patient"
FALSE. HIV HAS BEEN isolated:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2991931?dopt=Abstract
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2999597?dopt=Abstract
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2869262?dopt=Abstract
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3646001?dopt=Abstract
However, I agree in most of the things you have shared.
FALSE. HIV HAS BEEN isolated:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2991931?dopt=Abstract
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2999597?dopt=Abstract
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2869262?dopt=Abstract
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3646001?dopt=Abstract
However, I agree in most of the things you have shared.
this is a theory about the ICL
Idiopathic CD4+ T-lymphocytopenia, or ICL, is an immunodeficiency syndrome in which human immunodeficiency virus, or HIV, cannot be detected. Because HIV is the causative agent of acquired immune deficiency syndrome (AIDS), ICL can be referred to as Non-HIV AIDS. As in AIDS patients, Non-HIV AIDS patients exhibit reduced numbers of CD4+ T-lymphocytes, and many Non-HIV AIDS patients have developed the opportunistic infections or otherwise rare cancers associated with AIDS.
Non-HIV AIDS patients may comprise perhaps one percent of all AIDS patients. While the majority of Non-HIV AIDS patients do not belong to any of the risk groups such as blood transfusion recipients, male homosexuals, and intravenous drug abusers in which AIDS was first identified, some Non-HIV AIDS patients do belong to these groups. This suggests that Non-HIV AIDS may also be transmissible.
Research conducted at Tulane University Medical Center suggests that Non-HIV AIDS is associated with a retroviral particle called Human Intracisternal A-Type Particle-Type II, or HIAP-II. Antibodies to this particle have been found in a high percentage of patients with Non-HIV AIDS. Tulane has patented HIAP-II, and Autoimmune Technologies is licensing HIAP-II technology in order to develop screening and diagnostic tests and therapies for Non-HIV AIDS and to study the possibility of generating vaccines against Non-HIV AIDS, autoimmune disease, and AIDS.
Idiopathic CD4+ T-lymphocytopenia, or ICL, is an immunodeficiency syndrome in which human immunodeficiency virus, or HIV, cannot be detected. Because HIV is the causative agent of acquired immune deficiency syndrome (AIDS), ICL can be referred to as Non-HIV AIDS. As in AIDS patients, Non-HIV AIDS patients exhibit reduced numbers of CD4+ T-lymphocytes, and many Non-HIV AIDS patients have developed the opportunistic infections or otherwise rare cancers associated with AIDS.
Non-HIV AIDS patients may comprise perhaps one percent of all AIDS patients. While the majority of Non-HIV AIDS patients do not belong to any of the risk groups such as blood transfusion recipients, male homosexuals, and intravenous drug abusers in which AIDS was first identified, some Non-HIV AIDS patients do belong to these groups. This suggests that Non-HIV AIDS may also be transmissible.
Research conducted at Tulane University Medical Center suggests that Non-HIV AIDS is associated with a retroviral particle called Human Intracisternal A-Type Particle-Type II, or HIAP-II. Antibodies to this particle have been found in a high percentage of patients with Non-HIV AIDS. Tulane has patented HIAP-II, and Autoimmune Technologies is licensing HIAP-II technology in order to develop screening and diagnostic tests and therapies for Non-HIV AIDS and to study the possibility of generating vaccines against Non-HIV AIDS, autoimmune disease, and AIDS.
Some ideas of patient from different countries and its mostly there doctors opinions :
1) A new virus
2) A known virus that became more aggressive and they are talking about Herpes viruses.
3) A known Bacterial infection that became super bug, Staph and other bacterial infection were mentioned.
4) Its something related to HIV, this virus working mechanism is still not known yet and every thing about it is still under study after 30 years from they consider it the AIDS cause, this virus was never isolated by it self from any patient beside after reading some papers and if we put the denialism ideas away and think of the co factors that became under more study we could see soon they could figure that this virus have so many components and that you can have some of those microbes and develop AIDS symptoms without needing the HIV virus and as example of co factors ( HHV6 and Mycoplasma fermentans that is 80% there with HIV virus )
5) It could be a similar virus to HIV that share some proteins with it and this remind me with every study of Retro viral in CFS/ME patient as when they always found something they talked about similarities of sequencing with HIV or HTLV !
1) A new virus
2) A known virus that became more aggressive and they are talking about Herpes viruses.
3) A known Bacterial infection that became super bug, Staph and other bacterial infection were mentioned.
4) Its something related to HIV, this virus working mechanism is still not known yet and every thing about it is still under study after 30 years from they consider it the AIDS cause, this virus was never isolated by it self from any patient beside after reading some papers and if we put the denialism ideas away and think of the co factors that became under more study we could see soon they could figure that this virus have so many components and that you can have some of those microbes and develop AIDS symptoms without needing the HIV virus and as example of co factors ( HHV6 and Mycoplasma fermentans that is 80% there with HIV virus )
5) It could be a similar virus to HIV that share some proteins with it and this remind me with every study of Retro viral in CFS/ME patient as when they always found something they talked about similarities of sequencing with HIV or HTLV !
Ok good luck and keep us posted.
I went to see a new doctor when am back i will discuss with u those cases and more
Case 2: Idiopathic CD4+ T-Lymphocytopenia -- Immunodeficiency without Evidence of HIV Infection
http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJM199302113280602
http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJM199302113280602
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