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Jun 08, 2010 - 148 comments

Thank you so much, for all you have done. Bailing out criminal corporations. Bowing to our enemies. Not having a backbone, except to defend your financial supporters. Going on vacation, in the midst of war and ecological disaster. Using language that would be censored, among other places, this website. Appointing advisors who are trying to erode our rights. Being a liar. Hiding your past. Showing lack of respect for our veterans. Suggesting reform, only once the states make an effort to enforce federal laws that are already on the books. Leaving us with a. Legacy of distrust, damage, and debt. Thank you so much.

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by margypops, Jun 08, 2010
Wow boogieman you are so right ...we have a problem you know that dont you ...a biggy this time ..I plead to anyone who sees your journal  get information do not think everything will be okay it wont be ...we are are the edge....its not any conspiracy as many would tell that's the agenda the left wing uses,  you its happening... time to get looking for yourself do not let yourself be intimidated ...start by asking what are the policies being rammed through some you are'nt aware of ....They are'nt hiding it anymore .. its out there please check it out ....America needs your help

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by mammo, Jun 08, 2010
I totally agree with both of you!  America is in critical condition, Obama is like a cancer eating away at all that is good about America.  He won't be happy until all our rights, freedom and dignity are gone.  People better take note of the debt that is going to be passed onto our children and grandchildren, he's spending money like it's water and where does everyone think he will get it???  He knows where he is going to get it, he's like a snake in the grass.  The day is coming where gas will cost us $10. a gallon and we'll all be riding bicycles.  It's sad, very sad what is happening to us.  For there to be people who don't see it astounds me, we need to unite and make America strong and proud again!  I have never seen our country so divided as it is now, just shameful......

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by peggy64, Jun 08, 2010
Divide and conquer! that is what he has done to the American people. And conquer?? Just wait, it is coming.

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by mammo, Jun 08, 2010
Amen to that Peggy!  The worst is yet to come unless everyone starts taking this seriously.

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by margypops, Jun 08, 2010
No way Hose/ we wont let him ..the American people will not let this happen to this exceptional country ....thats is Marxism ...Divide us all ./then conquer they think they will getting us fighting each other as in the Arizona  battle over Immigration , and CA.... Boycotting ... we wont let them do it we will get them out one way or another ....

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by margypops, Jun 08, 2010
what was it ... Rahm Emanuel said ... 'Never let a good crisis go to waste '[   he was talking about the oil spill......;.

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by boogieman, Jun 08, 2010
Letters and phone calls, as well as protests, are the most proactive ways to challenge the assault on our republic. But once again, preparation is of great necessity. Imagine that there was a massive strike against our power grid, which could be accomplished with EMP weapons not far out of reach. No power, no fuel, no banking, no computers, for weeks. It may be frightening, but it is a real possibility. Our founders had but limited resources in comparison. But through their ability to provide food, shelter, and self defense, they overcame insurmountable odds to survive. We are on the brink of a crisis that could send us spiraling back into such a situation. But we can be prepared. This is but one scenario. And the federal government will be there for us just like they were there at the onset of the bp disaster. Time is short. GM

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by plains59, Jun 08, 2010
Yeah Barack, thanks a LOT for your credit card "REFORM" - now my interest rates have tripled and I have never been late on my cards EVER.   Is this a sign of how your REFORM WORKS?

WHO'S *** DO I NEED TO KICK FOR THIS?  Yours?  or the people who voted for you!

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by mammo, Jun 08, 2010
Boogieman, you're so right!  The Tea Parties have made an impact and has Washington's attention, but we need to do more.  I hated to see him voted in , but he duped a lot of people with his promises, and most of them are very sorry now that they voted for him, after seeing his "change."

I saw a bumper sticker that read "I'll keep my guns and money and you can keep the "change."  Well, we got change alright!!

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by Sarajmt, Jun 08, 2010
I love your comments Boogieman.   This idiot will go on as long the voters allow.  We voters seem to think our guy is great and the others need to go.  And when you combine uninformed voters with apathy, it's a recipe for disaster on our hands now.  Certainly not for race reasons, but I think we need to require voters to be able to read!  We need informed voters who know the issues and research the candidates.

Speaking of bumper stickers, did you see the one that said "Did you vote for Obama?  Thanks a lot a^^hole!"  Personally, I concur.

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by Jaybay, Jun 08, 2010
I concur too Sara.  Our country is at war, teeters on unrecoverable economic disaster, and now faces a horrendous environmental disaster while Chairman Obama shoots hoops, plays golf, parties with musicians and curses on television.  I wonder if the Teleprompter was working this morning?  What a great example of Presidential leadership...

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by Westguy1003, Jun 09, 2010
I like the one that says

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by howcouldiknow, Jun 09, 2010
You have all be brainwashed by the tea party. Seriously. Obama is just a classic liberal. Call it socialism if you want, but socialism isn't a bad thing. And unless you are making over a quarter of a million dollars annually, you should be thanking Obama.

Obama hasn't handled the oil spill very well, but it is a riot how people think Obama is evil, etc. Please don't tell me you are Alex Jones conspiracy theory nuts.

Again; Obama is just a classic left liberal. Meaning; higher taxes (especially for the rich sector), bigger government control (especially over the economy), more individual rights (such as gay marriage, legal abortion, etc), and more government programs for the less fortunate that will (and should) be paid for by tax payers. There is nothing wrong with helping out your fellow American by paying a little more taxes so they can participate in government programs that will help them live as well as you.

I seen a guy ranting the other day about how he'd love to see Jan Brewer as president since she signed the horrible Arizona immigration law into effect. You wouldn't want Jan Brewer (or any conservative for that matter) to be president. Like all conservatives, Brewer doesn't care about the middle class or poor. Look at her record. As soon as she took Arizona's office, she ended the state's wonderful program that insured children who were uninsured and who's parents/family made too much to qualify for Medicare. That is evil.

Spread the wealth. Spread the good life. Help everyone have a piece of the American dream. I would still have these socialist views even if I was the richest man in America.

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by mammo, Jun 09, 2010
Nobody is brainwashed by anyone, but many have been duped by Obama and his administration.  Just because someone cares enough to get an education and work hard does not mean they should have to support the lazy!  Less fortunate, or lazy????  NO, the taxpayers should not be paying for Obama's reckless spending, and I can only assume that you are one who lives off of the hard working people that do pay taxes, because you appear to have that mentallity that others should take care of you.  Well, we're not going to take care of you or anyone else who thinks public assistance is a career choice!  Arizona didn't create any new laws just enforced the ones already in place.  You want the good life...work for it like the rest of us have.  Who do you think will pay for this if everyone had your attitude....NOBODY!  The programs you speak of were put in place to help people TEMPORARILY and not for people to live on generation after generation.  If disabled that's different, but just too lazy to work, we're done!  No, you wouldn't have the same views if you were the richest man in the world.  With the present administration, there will be no wealth to share, no American dream, no pie either so forget about your piece.  We'll all be living in a third world nation and you'll been crawling the gutters looking for the crumbs!  You don't understand what's happening and the consequences of Obama's actions.  You'll get a "free ride" okay, it will be one of poverty and hunger with no control over your life.  But you'll be a happy one with your piece of crap pie Obama is trying to shove down America's throats!  

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by Teak, Jun 09, 2010
Get out and get a job instead of trying to ride on the backs of those that do. I'm all for Arizona immigration bill. They are going to enforce a law that the Federal Government should have been doing. The borders need to be closed and then round up the illegals and send them back to the countries where they belong. Someone needs to check to see if Obama is related to Jimmy Carter. Obama will go down in history as one of the worse presidents in American history.

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by margypops, Jun 09, 2010
Spread the wealth?Spead the good life? go out and get your own, why ride off the backs of others ,   so you mean I came to America to work hard , and earn money for my family and then I should give it in huge taxes for folks who want to sit around getting entitlements from a government who want to control everything ...including what I eat ,  Why ...I am a Tea Party Patriot no one has brain washed me , we started them because we could see the constitution being eroded and taxes rocketing..

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by margypops, Jun 09, 2010
Hey on a great note ...Did you see 2 women Meg Whitman and Carly Fariano  won the primaries in California I went to vote , so happy , that boxer will be slung out in November, Its a sign of whats to come .....yeeehaaaaa

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by Teak, Jun 09, 2010
I belong to the Tea Party and we will take back our government and get people elected that DO REPRESENT THE MAJORITY OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.

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by margypops, Jun 09, 2010
Lets Roll .... Go Tea Party Patriots .....

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by flmagi, Jun 09, 2010
Thank you so much, for all you have done. Bailing out criminal corporations. Bowing to our enemies. Not having a backbone, except to defend your financial supporters. Going on vacation, in the midst of war and ecological disaster. Using language that would be censored, among other places, this website. Appointing advisors who are trying to erode our rights. Being a liar. Hiding your past. Showing lack of respect for our veterans. Suggesting reform, only once the states make an effort to enforce federal laws that are already on the books. Leaving us with a. Legacy of distrust, damage, and debt. Thank you so much.

This can all apply to President Bush too and even more "evil doings". So why do some want to blame Obama for everything..................................because he's black.

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by teko, Jun 09, 2010
flmage, hold up on that thought till someone gets with Rush or Beck to get the answer. RUN SARA RUN!





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by margypops, Jun 09, 2010
Yes indeed you are right  I echo those sentiments thank you guys  Run Sarah Run ...we need you  in The Election 2012 to Run.... so get practising ......RUN SARAH RUN  

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by margypops, Jun 09, 2010
So predicatble using the race card ...lol methinks thee do protesteth too much ... usually they are  the racists that continually use it as a means to demean ...

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by teko, Jun 09, 2010
Look at the glass half full folks. Look at what we could have ended up with.

Senility and Ignorance.

I wonder if Sara now knows there IS a North and a South Korea, Has anyone heard?

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by margypops, Jun 09, 2010
Ha Ha oh you are so funny ...No she's great I can think of someone else you could call ignorant , I dont know about senile I think he may be the same age as Sarah       Run Sarh Run ...for America   we need you ......

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by teko, Jun 09, 2010
LOL, Cool!

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by Teak, Jun 09, 2010
Had they left the economy alone we wouldn't be in the mess we are in now. Had Barnie Frank gave out correct information that might have stop that bailout. Next year when the taxes go in to effect lets see if you are praising Obama teko. Let's see if you are praising him when you sit in an ER waiting to get treatment. Obama needs impeached before he destroyes what is left of the US.

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by raquelplus2, Jun 09, 2010
thats just obsurd to say about obama i totally disagree...

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by raquelplus2, Jun 09, 2010
well said howcouldiknow bout jan brewer. i live in phx ok n that law is sooooo dam raciest it makes me sick!!!! n she definately dnt care bout the poor. im all for gettn rid of the people who are bad but wat bout the poor families who work n do well for themselves n are good people. how would you feel if your bro n mom got shiped somehwere else n your family splitting upp its horrible to some. and i feel for them not the bad immigrants

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by Teak, Jun 09, 2010
The law isn't racist at all. Where do you people come up with that? Have you ever been pulled over and asked  to see your driver license, proof of insurance? Is that racist? Have you ever taken time to read the Federal Immigration laws? Have you taken the time to read Arizona's Law? Arizona's law is less intrusive that the Federal Immigration Law. How about all the Immigrants that are waiting to come to the US legally? You think that is right? Go Jan more states will follow. http://www.azleg.gov/legtext/49leg/2r/bills/sb1070s.pdf

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by margypops, Jun 09, 2010
No its not racist at all thats a left wing spin....absolutly not they have always asked for identification I had to carry a green card before i became a citizen, , . whatever their skin color.. its simply a left wing spin ..racist is something they love to use , the Tea Partiers have also been called Racist ...lol   as I say methinks they do protesteth too much and maybe they are the ones who are racist ...you will find that very often the people who yell about the fact do have the problem themselves ........

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by raquelplus2, Jun 09, 2010
IT IS RACIEST  because if you look of any latin decent your immediately pulled over n stopped for your social n birth certificate  iam mexican n i no when i get stopped i would be pi$$ed off because  now i have to carry that personal and imprtant info in my car?? i think not. iam sorry but it is raciest and it is way different than pulling someone over for your license n registration  not even close to the same thing in the least. If you were mexican or latin decent you would feel the same way too but since your not your NOT the one having to worry bout getting pulled over and being judged sooo naturally it wouldnt bother you teak.

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by Teak, Jun 09, 2010
No, what was left wing was your response. No different than those in the government including Obama that made unbelievable responses to the law and everyone said that they hadn't read Arizona's law. Skin color? Give me a break. If you are looking for a Mexican suspect you don't look for an African American. If you are looking for a Caucasian you don't look for an African American or a Mexican.  So if you are looking for Illegal Mexicans you look for Mexicans, that is not racial profiling.

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by Vance2335, Jun 09, 2010
Police can only ask for that information while they are citing for another infraction. You have to be a US citizen to get a drivers liscense and get your car registered so if you are pulled over and get asked for a drivers liscense then the police can go no further then that becuase there is no reasonable suspision that you would be an illegal immigrant.

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by AZKathy, Jun 09, 2010
Heck, I'm trying to get off narccotics, and I can't even order cigarettes online after the end of the month.

Ready for a revolution people?

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by Sarajmt, Jun 09, 2010
flmagi said "So why do some want to blame Obama for everything..................................because he's black.'  Please keep in mind that many who voted for Obama are now unhappy with him.  Do you think they voted for him because he is black?  Or did they find that out after the election and are now angry?  I have no problem with his race.  I have a problem with his policies.  Race should not be an issue.  He's biracial.  His mother is white.

To howcouldiknow.  I have the right to the pursuit of happiness.  My pursuit of  happiness includes keeping a reasonable portion of my income so that I am able to provide for my family.  Yours, immigrants legal or illegal and everyone else's rights end when they clash into mine.  Would you please point out the section in the Constitution where it says that taxpayers must support anyone who decides to enter this country legally or illegally.  I truly can't find that clause.  Everyone here legally has the right to the pursuit of happiness.  No one has the guarantee of happiness.  Our founders didn't have to explain self responsibility to anyone.  Apparently it's no longer the same.





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by Sarajmt, Jun 09, 2010
Have those of you unhappy with the Arizona law actually read the law?  I'm hearing the same falsehoods that I heard on the federal and executive level.  Turns out they hadn't sat down and read the law either.  Please read the law.  If you then have questions or objections after reading it, then gripe away!

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by raquelplus2, Jun 09, 2010
exactly they stop mexicans not every mexican is from mexico or illegal!!!! im mexican n born in california!!! n illegals get false socials n ids n do have license allll the time. so they would ask for your info either way. like i said i live in phx n i no n see alot more than you people do living far away from az. its raciest no matter which you wanna put it...end of my story.

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by Sarajmt, Jun 09, 2010
raquelplus2:  If you were born in the US, you are a US citizen.  And unless you claim dual citizenship, you're not Mexican.  Mexicans are from Mexico.  You are of Hispanic descent but calling yourself a Mexican while being a citizen of the US is  bit confusing and a misnomer.   Mexico lost California in the Mexican American war a long time ago.  California is part of the US.

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by mammo, Jun 09, 2010
Uninformed people are the ones that would "assume" that this is a race issue.  I know of nobody (other than those of you who keep bringing up race) who cares about his race, he's mixed black and white so what's the problem?  It's not possible for it to be a race issue.  But you see him as black only or you wouldn't be crying racism!  Grasping at straws and losing your grip.  If someone decides to start stopping all blondes, do you think I would care?  NO!!!  If blondes are taking this country down by being here illegally then check all of us, I have nothing to hide!

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by Teak, Jun 09, 2010
That is the reason for Arizona's Law. Illegal Immigrants doing illegal acts. Stealing social security and getting driver licenses. You just gave a good reason to deport them.

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by Sarajmt, Jun 09, 2010
Just wondering.  Do the illegals counterfeit insurance cards for their cars as well?  Many here in Texas are uninsured,  Bad news for those who don't carry uninsured motorists insurance.

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by teko, Jun 09, 2010
Teak, you said:

Next year when the taxes go in to effect lets see if you are praising Obama teko. Let's see if you are praising him when you sit in an ER waiting to get treatment.

The difference between now and then. Thanks to Obama I will be able to get insurance and be able to go to the ER and expect actual help or treatment instead of being given a script and billed a huge amount of money for nothing that might cost me further medical care or my home, not to mention the bad credit when I cannot pay the bill. You see, I cannot presently get insurance due to pre existing conditions. Obama is fixing that, unlike the admins in place before him. Bush had 8 years to address immigration and health care. Did I miss it?

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by Vance2335, Jun 09, 2010
By law they can not ask for further documentation if you can present a valid drives lisence.

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by raquelplus2, Jun 09, 2010
and i agree on that aspect. like i said the good ones dont deserve that  that bad ones dooo...like for instance my hair dresser is illegal and her and her husband work hard for a living and take care of ther 2 kids well n dont do nothing bad at all but live and work here n giving thyr children who were born here better lives.

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by Vance2335, Jun 09, 2010
Teko...you are right immigration has been a problem for a long time and no one has done anything and Obama is not doing anything.
As for Health INS read the horror stories from Canada and Europe about quality of care and you will soon see that Obama's miracle plan has already failed and failed at my expense. Healthcare reform has been needed but last time any attempt was made Dems stopped it. Now that they had the majority the did not fix a slightly flawed system they destroyed the system. I have said this over and over again...you start with tort reform and then move to open competition, just those 2 things alone would insure that 70% of the 8 million who don't have INS and want it would get it.

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by teko, Jun 09, 2010
Hey I was for the public option and without that! I am not real impressed either, but it still has some good things in it. And from where I sit, I am pleased as punch that we got what we did. Is it perfect, NO
But it is far better than nothing. For sure.

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by Teak, Jun 09, 2010
There are no good ones that came here illegally they broke the laws and are in violation. The good ones are those that came here legally and went through the process.

Yes teko, you missed it totally.


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by raquelplus2, Jun 09, 2010
ohh ok and yet lots of people break laws but yet come to mexicans its different what bout allll the other people comeing here illegally as well ohh its ok for them because thyre not mexican right!!?? n teko agree with you as well  

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by Sarajmt, Jun 09, 2010
I don't care where they're from, if they're here illegally, they need to be deported.  If the Queen of England came here illegally, I'd say deport her!!   We need to know who is coming into our country.   As it is now, Osama Bin Laden could stroll across the border.  The present situation is unacceptable.  

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by mammo, Jun 09, 2010
Who do you think is going to pay for "your" insurance coverage?  Why do you think so many come here for their health care?  What you think you will get and what you really get, isn't going to make you happy, I guarantee this!  Read the blogs on MH about how people have to wait a year to see a doctor, read the horror stories because this is what you are wanting!  Doctors are no longer accepting Medicare because the government is paying so little or not at all, and these are people who paid into the system while working all their lives.  Medicaid is not being accepted by a lot of the doctors for the same reason, so who do you think you will get this wonderful care from? Do you really think we will have quality health care, because if you do, you're kidding yourself.  If it's going to be so great why is Obama and his administration exempt from having to have it?  I'll tell you why, because it will be horrible care, if any at all and they want no part of it!  Ask Obama why they are exempt from this wonderful health care program.

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by teko, Jun 09, 2010
I am. And Obama has made that possible. I was born here and I dont get nothing free so I dont know exactly where your coming from on that one? Maybe if I quit working and left my husband I could get welfare? And who is paying for that? Santa Clause? And as far as Obama being exempt? We will under health care reform have pools to choose from just like the government does. Where have you been? I been following this thing from day one. And besides that, every single time someone goes to the ER and does not have insurance, guess who is paying for it now? Yep, we are!

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by Vance2335, Jun 09, 2010
No you will not have pools to choose from, you will be shown one option that you will have to take. You put way too much faith in the governement.

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by mammo, Jun 09, 2010
Vance... you are on it... kudos to you!  They just don't get that there will be two coverages, one for the White House and one for all Americans, period.  There will be no choices, you will take what they have and like it!

Sarajmt.....I couldn't agree more!

Teak...right on!

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by margypops, Jun 09, 2010
Cor blimey...I went out shopping and hey what happened ...have to tell you guys ,great Debate ..it makes good reading for everyone to get an aspect on whats going on ....cool     I will go and eat and think of a rebuttal ......Great Journal boogieman

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by margypops, Jun 09, 2010
I still think as teko said that Sarah should run in 2012 ....

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by teko, Jun 09, 2010
I think you guys need to research the health reform bill. You are misinformed. No there will not be two kinds of insurance. Do your homework.

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by mammo, Jun 09, 2010
Take off your blinders...they are exempt fom the healthcare we will have access to!!!!!!!!!

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by Teak, Jun 09, 2010
teko, the one that should be researching is yourself. Just wait the healthcare will be repealed and Obama will be out of office. Come this January Obama will become a lame duck president. Which is a advancement in his case. He's a one term president.

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by teko, Jun 09, 2010
I would like to know your sources to this information. Share?

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by mammo, Jun 09, 2010
Teak...you're absolutely right!

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by teko, Jun 09, 2010
If indeed what you speak of is fact and not your opinion or something you heard somewhere, why is it that whenever one asks for sources, you scatter? I do not think my request if unfair.

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by Teak, Jun 09, 2010
I just scrolled this journal and where have you ever posted your facts? You start posting your facts and I will be more than glad to post mine.

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by Teak, Jun 09, 2010
HB3962
http://docs.house.gov/rules/health/111_ahcaa.pdf

Start reading teko instead of being like the rest of the democrats did and not read it at all.

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by mammo, Jun 09, 2010
I don't have to prove anything to you!  You and sources, get over it.  It's not an opinion, it's fact and if you had good "sources" you too would know this!


Teak...don't bother because they will only discredit your sources, if they aren't approved by them, they won't accept them.

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by Teak, Jun 09, 2010
mammo, Sean Hannity Freedom Concert at Kings Island Kings Island, Saturday, August 7 don't forget.


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by specialmom, Jun 09, 2010
Whew------  lot of stuff here.  I tell you one thing I would never want to be a politician trying to keep everyone happy!!  That is almost a job that any one person can't win.  

I bet if I were to ask everyone here if they'd love for all of us to have health care coverage provided for all citizens of this country----------  they'd say sure.  Who wouldn't like this?  I don't like to think of any family or individual going without it.  I have children and I worry that some day, they may have issues affording insurance or have a condition that prevents them from getting it.  That would not be my hope and dream for them.  But ----------- and this is a big but-------------  we can not afford to go the direction that Obama wants (and heaven forbid if what he really had wanted had passed).  It takes away freedom of choice.  How--------- well you are forced to carry insurance.  That is now a choice and we lose this option.  Employers are forced to carry (and I know not all, but many) insurance for their employees.  In Teko's example of her husband's company doing away with insurance or cutting jobs . . . well.  I think many would prefer to have their jobs.  Our taxes will go up----------  a lot.  So health care WILL cost a lot to people that feel they can't afford it now.  I agree that pre existing condition issues are an issue and Vance's comments are great for solutions to the problems in general that we face.  

But I realize as I type this that I write from my perspective and where I am at in life.  I know others are in different places and their perspective is going to be different.  That is why I would not like to be a politician that has to figure out the best course of action to please everyone.    

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by lovemykids465, Jun 09, 2010
Thank you boogieman. It is nice to see that you are not alone in your feelings. I live in a very conservative rural area of Ny state and we feel like our vote does not count because the rest of Ny is so liberal but that does not stop us from voting letting our voice be heard! Check out Wall builders. com  historian David Barton. Amazing! But what we need to do is instead of complaining start campaigning ! Let's do something about this!

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by mammo, Jun 09, 2010
Teak....Thanks, we will be there and bringing many with us!!

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by margypops, Jun 09, 2010
Yes I am with you lets do something , join the Tea Party Patriots for one thing ...they will be making themselves heard more and more ...educate the young ..tell everyone what is happening and importantly make sure they get the truth, you can see the misinformation and lies that abound .they will get called racist you have seen that on this thread, disregard that ..you know its not true , they are afraid ..this is the problem so many do not even realise or understand what's happening , get out and vote ,sign petitions .tell everyone ..it will be okay but we may have to get tough ..

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by teko, Jun 09, 2010
Thanks Teak, I will check that out. As for the rest, I guess you only have Rush and Beck and yes, your right I do not consider those reliable sources, more opinions slanted in a certain direction. After I check this one out, of course I will supply mine. Ltr

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by teko, Jun 09, 2010
I was not able to access that link, it says it is not part of a program? Is there another for the same material?

As far as all that I have stated, go to whitehouse.gov
Straight from the source himself.

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by margypops, Jun 09, 2010
Its true that they are not hiding their agenda anymore the facts are all up there for anyone to learn the truth ,I tried to tell that to a member yesterday but she had been fed so much rubbish and untruths she just was'nt willing to listen at all ..it was sad ..I felt sorry for her .All I asked was that she went and found out what the truth was...

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by boogieman, Jun 09, 2010
The sources are there for whoever wants to take the time to look. I shouldn't need to hold anyones hand to find the truth. I would respond at greater length, but its all I can do to just respond now. Lots of pain, and trying to ride it out. Only other option is waiting for hours in the ER. Best wishes to everyone, GM

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by Teak, Jun 09, 2010
Who Harry Reid? Or the lies coming from Obama another one that didn't read the healthcare bill or AZ immagration law.

Download Acrobat reader. The link I gave you is a pdf file.

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by howtoknowforsure, Jun 09, 2010
Ah.  And I geuss George Bush was a hero?

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by mammo, Jun 09, 2010
specialmom.......I agree that not a single politician can please everyone.  But they have all been for America and what is in our best interest, and Obama isn't.  It doesn't matter where you are in life, we're headed in the wrong direction under his leadership.  We have, and will always have issues with who is President, but not like we do now, nor have we ever!

Yes, healthcare for everyone would be wonderful, but it cannot happen in the way Obama is planning, and again where are our choices?  We need health reform, not what he's trying to put over on us.  If people would only stop and look at all the people who come to America for health care they would know why it's imperative that we not allow this to go on.  They quality of life in the US is going to be very poor, as well as any healthcare that is shoved down our throats.  You need to be concerned for your children and the life they will have if Obama is not stopped.  I worry for all the children and grandchildren and the enormous debt that they will inhherit, as they are who will have to support Obama's out of control spending of money we don't have.  They will have no quality of life, and this is who I fight for.

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by margypops, Jun 09, 2010
thanks mammo also my concern .. are the other members here concerned ?

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by specialmom, Jun 09, 2010
Well, pretty much Mammo------- you summed up what I said!  (remember my but------- which was a big but part?)

I don't feel angry about it though. I feel more sad.  I don't have all of the answers and know that an awful lot of people are going through hard times right now.  

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by Sarajmt, Jun 09, 2010
I am very concerned.  The country I'm going to hand over to my children is not the world I got.  Not by a long shot!

We already had a health care system in place.  But it did have its flaws and needed some tweaking.  But instead of tweaking the system, Obama wants to chunk it completely and replace it with his vision.  We CANNOT afford his vision.  It will break the economy.  The consequences of the new taxes scheduled to take hold next year are going to be disastrous considering our precarious present financial situation.    Millions more will be forced out of work because of the change in our take home pay.  We can't buy like did before, even essentials.  Thus spiraling into a meltdown.  I am scared to death.

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by margypops, Jun 09, 2010
The news just came in that OBama has said $400 Million is being sent to Gaza ......I would like to ask everyone who posted on this journal do they know where on earth this kind of money is coming from and do they honestly believe this wont fall into the hands of Ham.***.

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by Sarajmt, Jun 09, 2010
That would make sense.  Hamas is the govt there.  Why doesn't he send it to the border states to do his constitutional duty of protecting our borders!!!  We need help down here.

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by Teak, Jun 09, 2010
Just amazing, wonder if he will send it with an apology from the US.

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by margypops, Jun 09, 2010
but guys we dont have 400 million dollars to give to anyone .......do we ???

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by Sarajmt, Jun 09, 2010
Sure we do!!  We can just trade all our first born males to China!!

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by mammo, Jun 09, 2010
Sarajmt.......I truly empathize with you.  Yesterday I posted that our children and grandchildren will not know the America I grew up in, and someone had to ask me to describe that America?????  Guess they've been livng under a rock!  It is the fear of what is happening that drives us to want to do something and not just argue about all this.  There are many of us who write letters, and are involved in the Tea Party movement which is an honorable group of people who are extremely proud of America and willing to make our voices heard!  There are the others that can't take hearing the truth, and they are just as guilty as Obama but will be crying the loudest when and if this all goes down as planned.

Margy....$400 million??  He is out of control, and this is just more proof.  

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by mammo, Jun 09, 2010
America is broke....plain and simple, and in debt up to our eyeballs, thanks Obama for nothing, literally nothing.  We are practically owned by China and if they start calling in their notes.........

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by mammo, Jun 09, 2010
Margypops I agree, you have to feel sorry for people who can't figure this out on their own and are being led like a bunch of sheep.  We have to hold their hands and show them where to find information, maybe we can hold their hands and show them the truth.

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by Sarajmt, Jun 09, 2010
To kl42:  This is a discussion about politics and economy.  Allowed under our Constitution.  Race is not an issue.  We've already discussed that earlier.  You may want to read some of the earlier comments.  And besides, my KKK meeting isn't until tomorrow night! (LOL) Joke, get it?

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by margypops, Jun 09, 2010
LOL  Oh you are so cute you know we held it yesterday ... ha ha ha ........

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by John703, Jun 09, 2010
All of this negativity from a site that is supposed to help people deal with their anxieties the possible acquisition of a deadly disease. All I know is that it would be incredibly positive if this country did move to a universal health care system, especially for the people who are found to be hiv positive. I am sorry but some of you should understand that somethings done in the public interest can actually minimize expences and ensure a high living standard for the population. I wish we would have had a public option and a system of univeral coverage that is geared toward ensuring and garunteeing the right to live heathily. Some of you should go to thebody.com and see what the expert on hiv prevention says regarding our need for heath care reforms and his support of what obama did.

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by Sarajmt, Jun 09, 2010
Margy:  You held it without me???  Oh Dang!!

John:  We all agree that universal coverage would be fantastic.  What we have a problem with is the funding.   I'm afraid the costs of this with the added taxes will completely crash our already fragile economy.  With less take home pay, spending will go down.  Factories and businesses will be forced to close or move overseas.  More out of work.  Less tax revenue coming in.  More unemployment benefits going out.  IMO, it's a recipe for disaster.

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by 2terrified, Jun 09, 2010
The America you grew up in, depending on your environment, the things you learned growing up, are going to be different from mine.  Obviously, we both have very different view points and very different priorities in life...so, that is what is going to define what America means to you and what America means to me. So until you know where I come from, how I was raised, and what is important to me...you have no right to say I have been living under a rock. I did not cast judgement on you, so please, do not do the same on me just because we differ in our political views.

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by 2terrified, Jun 09, 2010
Wouldn't it also be fair to say that buying more American made goods made by the tax payers of America be beneficial to the economy? That would mean greater demand for American products. Employers would need to hire, therefore, helping the unemployment rate. And then Americans would be able to afford to pay a little more in taxes to support universal health care.

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by Sarajmt, Jun 09, 2010
2terrified:  Of course we should buy American when possible.  But even when I buy an American brand, you turn it over and it says "made in China",  I look for the Made in America" labels.  Not always possible.  Besides, i don't trust any food, drink or hygiene item made in China after some of the past debacles.

It is my opinion, that we are too deep in debt to start another entitlement program.  We need to dig out of this hole and then go forward.  I hate that people go without needed care and prescriptions.  It stinks.  I'm a chronic pain patient.  I couldn't afford my care without private insurance.  It's scary for me as well.  I'm one job layoff from being in the same boat as others.  But I must consider my children and what I'm leaving them.

I understand you have different opinions.  I welcome debate.  I don't think I posted anything about you.  You certainly have a right to your own opinion.  There is an interesting thread on the Current Events forum about the lack of truth in today's media.  You might find it interesting.  I'm not saying you're uninformed.  I'm just suggesting something you might find interesting.


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by Mommashelley1, Jun 10, 2010
An issue that continues to intrigue much of the Christian community is the identity of the Antichrist.

Is he alive today? Is he in power somewhere in the world? Which nation will usher this seemingly dauntless leader onto the stage of world affairs? These are just a few of the questions many have sought to answer about this person. Several writers have developed intricate numeric schemes in an effort to identify either his name or his identity. Others have approached the subject from the standpoint of current world events.

The Bible, however, teaches that when the Antichrist comes onto the scene, there will ultimately be no doubt about his identity. His deeds and doctrine will eventually expose him to the world. In his epistles and the book of Revelation, the apostle John made it clear that many people would come along in the spirit of antichrist. But there will come a day when one world leader will rise to power who will be the embodiment of evil, one who is empowered and directed by the devil himself.

The Beast will be the embodiment of the entire spirit of antichrist. He will have supernatural power and global influence.

The Beast first appears as a political leader, who will make a covenant with Israel and assume world leadership. Later he takes on the role of a religious leader who is worshipped. Supported by his sidekick - "the False Prophet" - the Beast will deceive the world. He, his prophet, and Satan will form an unholy trinity to rule all of creation.



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by Mommashelley1, Jun 10, 2010
read the seven seals of revolations....

First 5 seals: Wrath of Man

First Seal: Beast begins his conquest

Second Seal: Nation against nation

Third Seal: Famine

Fourth Seal: 1/4 of earth dies (1.5+ billion)

Fifth Seal: Martyrdom of saints

Sixth Seal: Earthquakes, stars fall

Seventh Seal: The seven trumpets



Sudden birth pains: The tribulation begins suddenly and unexpectedly.

The first 3 1/2 years start with the beginning of the Antichrist's effort of world conquest, which helps plunge the world into the deadliest wars in history, followed by the resulting famines, disease, persecutions, and complete breakdown of the old world order.

The Temple will be rebuilt and worship on the temple mount will resume as the tribulation begins.The last week of years that Israel has left to prepare the holy of holies for the Messiah.

********The Antichrist comes to power in this turbulent time as a skilled politician. He is given control of the world's economic and political systems by the 10 nations in hopes that he can bring peace. He takes over Israel and destroys Jewish and Christian worship around the world.

The Mark of the Beast, 666, on the forehead or right hand is instituted to force absolute allegiance to the one world government/religion. Anyone who does not carry this mark cannot buy or sell. It may consist of three pentagrams.

144,000 Jews are sealed by God as a protection from the plagues and violence during the duration of the tribulation. Israel is taken into the the wilderness for the second 3 1/2 years, "On the wings of a giant eagle."

********Oil is the key . Oil has become the life blood of the world's economies.The Antichrist will likely gain broad power by controlling much of the world's oil supply, as well as the Internet , banking, satellite systems, and nuclear weapons.

The Gospel preached to all nations is a requirement before the end comes.The Great Commission will be completed as the Gentile world overwhelmingly rejects Christ. God will then turn back to the Jews to do His will.

The General Tribulation covers the entire 7 years.

The Great Tribulation is the second 3 1/2 years.

The Day of the Lord begins when Jesus Christ returns.


The first 3 1/2 years ends in death, the second 3 1/2 ends in resurrection = 7 years for God's perfect plan.

> This may seem like a bible thumping preaching lesson. But this has been set for many years and I believe that if you dont know christ now, youll want to very soon!~




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by Mommashelley1, Jun 10, 2010
this is how SOME people prusive (sp) Obama http://thesecretsofvancouver.com/wordpress/2009/04

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by lynnkay, Jun 10, 2010
OH, I LOVE ALL THIS!!!!! One of my favorite subjects. I am for a good leader. And it does not matter what color he is. I happen to live in a town that was once a KKK headquarters. I live in this town. Not from it. I do not believe in a bunch of people that pick cruelly on another race.

I am not in agreement in what Obama is doing. But, this country has slowly been going to hell in a hand basket for a long time. I am just 53. And I have seen this country change greatly in my lifetime. These are not good times. We are currently going through the hardest time in this country that I have seen in my 53 years. And this economy has effected me and my husband harshly just as it has so many others. My husband lost his long time job several years ago due to the rotten economy. With that job loss, we lost our health insurance. About 3 years ago, I was diagnosed with a bad lung disease. I have not had any kind of treatment for this lung disease since we lost our health insurance. My husband did find another job right after he lost his last job. Well, now it is history repeating itself. They have now cut my husband's hours in half. Because of my husband's job situation, we are about to lose another apartment we live in. We just went through that in Sept. 09. Loss of an apt. Due to my lung disease, being bipolar etc., I fought hard for disability for 2 1/2 yrs. Was finally denied. Government admits I have these disabilities, but not current enough medical evidence. Well, in order to have medical evidence, I need damn insurance. So, I am out now looking for a job at 53 and with disabilities. My options and hopes for a job in this economy are pretty much nil.

Honestly, our government hands out money all over the place. And to me, it is always to the wrong places and causes. My opinion is help us the Americans that are going into foreclosures, losing job, no healthcare etc. Charity begins at home is what I was taught.

And I was no Bush lover either. Started a war for the right reasons. To avenge 911. And I agree with that. But, at this point and long before that, the war has turned into nothing but about oil. They are now calling it the forgotten war. It took a long time for this to happen and Bush helped it along greatly. And Obama is here to save us? May God help us is all I can say.

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by Sarajmt, Jun 10, 2010
Wow Lynnkay, life has not been kind.  You're in a real catch 22,  It is ridiculous.  You paid for your SSDI every paycheck. I hope you can find someone to help.   And I hope you're able to find a job that doesn't aggravate your condition.

I'm a year older than you.  I've never seen it this bad either.  And with the government taking over the banking, insurancce, auto makers and now they want the oil industry.  Spending money we don't have on bailouts for huge corporations and wanting to spend more money we don't have.  It's discouraging.  I'm scared and I've never been scared like this before.

I really hope things turn around for you.  ((HUGS))

Sara


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by Teak, Jun 10, 2010
Sarajmt, government take over of the auto industry? You mean GM? Which equals "Government Mess." ;)

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by Sarajmt, Jun 10, 2010
Thank you for correcting me.  But Yep, that's the one!  You named it just right!

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by 2terrified, Jun 10, 2010
Sara, there is nothing wrong in the way you worded it. It was not you who posted anything about me.

About the American products "made in China", that is all about the big corporations saving money in labor. So, instead of buying things made elsewhere, we as a nation should try to be conscious of the products we do buy.

I am scared to death for my child and possible future grandchildren. But the way I see it, this country is so messed up it doesn't really matter who is in office.  People have been saying we need to dig out of this debt for decades. but with our constitution the way it is, once something gets started on a good track, we run into the possibility of the next person reversing it all and making it worse. So what it comes down to is raising my child the best I can with great morals and as good of an education I can afford. Hopefully, things will change but that is all I can afford to do at this point.  I refuse to let the logistics of it all consume me.

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by mammo, Jun 10, 2010
I'm 60 and have seen a lot but never anything like this. I would love to see a big buy American movement across our country and force industry to come back to the US.  I decided awhile back to not buy anything that wasn't American made and I couldn't find anything made in the US!  Moving manufacturing  out of the country was the first big mistake, all for greed.  We're stuck with this debt and WE will be paying for it for a long time, I'm sure I will not see any light at the end of the tunnel in my lifetime.  I worry for the children and grandchildren.  I don't think anybody feels this all started with Obama, it's his inability to take us in the right direction to improve America, and his anti-American attitude, giving money to everyone outside the US.  The only time he hands out money here is to put the government in control of something.

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by margypops, Jun 10, 2010
!.7 Million went to finding out why pigs smell... and the rehabilitation of Oysters ... another why dont men like condoms ...its all up there what the stimulous money was used for , I am only quoting a few of the nutty ones....does this sound like the behavior of normal people .....Wright is getting a few million for a retirement home he is opening, I believe he screamed  'God Damn America ' this was OBamas pastor for over 20 years , baptised his kids, and Married them ...54 Billion to bail out Greece Spain will be next ... the vast amount to Gaza ..he just keeps going I want to know why no one is stopping the spending, the debt clock keeping going .....

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by margypops, Jun 10, 2010
Ha Ha sorry no he didnt marry the kids   he married OBama and  MrsObama ....

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by metalman999, Jun 10, 2010
its easy to recognize mistakes. look at what hes done right.
-approved stem cell research
-passed the health care reform

even at this, you cannot solely blame the executive branch. alone he can do nothing except declare war.
our country runs on checks and balances, as you all know. one party cannot simply bark orders, you act as if we live in a monarchy.

everyone is entitled to their opinions.

-thanks

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by Teak, Jun 11, 2010
Really metalman? The healthcare bill was forced on us and it was done by one party the democrats, it was not a bipartisan bill. There are no checks and balances in this administration. Yes everyone is entitled to their opinions but that doesn't make their opinion correct. Who controls the house and the senate metalman? Hmmm the democrats.. So that just made your "one party cannot simply bark orders" mute.

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by Mommashelley1, Jun 11, 2010
whats that new darryl worley song: you can keep the change lol

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by Sarajmt, Jun 11, 2010
Metalman:   Perhaps you should keep a bit more current.  Just today, Obama pushed through cap and tax by authorizing the EPA to levy fines in order to enact the Cap and Trade through the EPA. .  Keep in mind  that this failed in the Democratically controlled Congress.  He bypassed the duly elected legislature and imposed his will on the American people.  This is taxation without representation.

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by John703, Jun 11, 2010
Teak you seem to have a very prejudiced understanding of healthcare and several of the issues. For one the healthcare bill was not supported by a majority of the population, but also was not a form of socialism and was actuaully a centrist bill. For instance the majority of the left which i admit includes me, desired a single payer or at the very least public health option and recieved neither. The right in this country literally desires little to no reform or deregulating the entire system. When the Bill was passed it did not include a public option or derugulation and thus the two most idealistic elements of the population disagreed with the bill, while the forty odd percent approval of the bill was largely composed of moderates to moderate democrats. If you think, i'm wrong go to the link of this study http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/articles/brunitedstatescanadara/658.php?lb=brusc&pnt=658&nid=&id=

Furthermore, your perception of the current US healthcare system and its comparison to others is outlandish. Several studies have shown that the US system does incredibly poorly in comparison to other systems, while being much more costly. The London School of Hygene did a series of studies on deaths due to immenable illnesses and found that the US had by far the most deaths that could have been prevented with adequate care. Everyone knows our ranking in of 40th by the WHO and your references to waiting lines that would have resulted if we had a universal system are way off base. Canada does have problems with waiting times but many other nations with universal healthcare systems do not have that problem, while still managing to ensure all of their citizens and have a better record than the US in terms of preventable deaths, life expectancy, treatment of chronic diseases and infant mortality rates.

Lastly, you complain about the cost! The cost of healthcare per household in the United States was estimated to cost the average household nearly $20,000 per year by 2020. There is no possible way that the country's citizens could have sustained a system that was such a drain on their incomes. It also hurt business who were finding it increasingly difficult to pay for their insurance plans.

Obama simply incentivized the system through forcing young people into to supplement the cost of the elderly. He ensured people would be covered through the elimination of pre-existing conditions and extended tax credits to corporations because people like you act as if corporations facilitate our existance.

One more thing; You seem to be obsessed with our deficit and yet you rail against taxes. This country's deficit has at the very least been significantly influenced by the anti tax hysteria of the right which under presidents Reagan and Bush set records in national debt while passing massive tax cuts which caused the massive deficit obama inheritted in the first place. Surely he has run up deficit spending to try to stabilize the economy from the bush era's collapse, but there was already a massive deficit there. When Reagan inheritted Carter's recession there was little deficit to consider and now our economy is trying to recover from a collapse while being saddled as an indebted nation due to right wing policies of cutting taxes and linking our economy to third world dictatorships that now produce a much larger precentage of what we used to create in sweatshops.  This country needs to enter into a new direction and all the radical right like you and hannity has to offer is policies that mirror those of the 1870s when robber barrons ruled and the populaiton suffered! I am no Obama fan but the alternative we had less than two yrs ago has to be considered one of the worst presidency's in the history of the country and all the right wants to do is ignore it, call for less government, more tax cuts, even lower them and a complete stop on government spending. I'm sorry but government incentives have led to the airline industry, the tech boom (internet telecom and etc) and green technology could be a way out of this mess and provide us with a new futre. The problem we face is the ardent right that wants this country back to the days of Rockafeller and JP morgan.






















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by teko, Jun 11, 2010
John703

Very well presented. That is refreshing among the rants. Thankyou

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by Teak, Jun 11, 2010
What teko, his BS wasn't any better than yours. A trillion dollar bill to cover 32 million people and 12 million are illegals do the math.  Hope you all have good paying jobs that can absorb all the new taxes. You two thinking by playing robbin hood and take from the rich and give to the poor is going to pay for all this BS. You are wrong. Where in the world do you think the money is going to come from to pay those bills? Taxes, and the first of those taxes goes into effect 2011.

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by mammo, Jun 11, 2010
Teak......You're absolutely correct in all you say!  It will do no good to work, all our money will go for taxes, he's taxing everything along with our paychecks.  He's like a child who has been given 10.00 to spend as they wish, and they want to buy it all, that's Obama's mentality!  

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by peggy64, Jun 11, 2010
Like its been said before, If you think health care is expensive now? just wait till its free.

        For the life of me, I don't see how people don't get that SOMEBODY has to pay for it, and that SOMEBODY will be the taxpayers. Why in the world people think it will not cost anything or be cheaper than what they are paying now, is just beyond my comprehension. We need some reality around here, not wishful thinking.

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by cfstorey, Jun 11, 2010
lol.. its not funny, but Boogieman you're so right. I havn't read everyone else's comments yet, but i'm seriously thinking about just moving to South American and being done with this all!

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by mammo, Jun 11, 2010
Peggy...they don't get it and you're right "if they think it's expensive now, wait until it's free!"  When you cannot afford a car, to eat, to send your children to college, buy a home, all  because you will be taxed to death, maybe then they will see.  They will be paying a great price for this healthcare of lack thereof.

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by margypops, Jun 11, 2010
Have you seen the prices in the stores rocketing already, and they are going to put VAT on us , on everything.. like Europe there is a reason why Europe wants out of what we are going into .... in Jan we all start paying for this OBama care we dont get till 2018 have I got that date right. About the redistribution, it wont be the Rich paying, it will be everyone working , and that will be to pay for the entitlements of the ones not working ...I have lived with what is happening here , its not great there is rationing, waiting and yes they do decide who Dies  or gets treatment .,to live , its the treatment there are panels that say what ,if any treatment is available for the very sick   Wait and see....

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by John703, Jun 11, 2010
For the life of me i dont get how some people dont understand that somebody has to pay for the massive tax cuts we've had in the first place that got us into this perdicament. Furthermore, how could the entire country have afforded healthcare costs that were slated to cost each household 20,000 per yr, even if taxes are raised by 5 percent per person it still wouldnt be near the astronomical costs that was slated to be and then you combine it with the disasterous results of the system. Just to point out a few more things: Iraq is estimated by certain economists to wind up causing near 3 trillion dollars, the military absorbs 50% of the country's discrecionary budget and again tax cuts are costly and one of the reasons we're in this mess in the first place. Since non of you can explain how people were going to be able to pay for the skyrocketing health care costs that absorb nearly 1/6 of our gdp and how in the hell is our government going to be able to pay for anything at this point without raising taxes.

Last point is the graduate income tax is not robbing the rich to give to the poor. Capitalism is not a meritocracy you cant have a system that pays certain people 500 times what they pay their average employees, hedge fund managers who make billions per yr for wrecking whole companies, along with the financial sector which exploits the nations workers and complain that there is money taken out of this system and given back to society as a whole for things like health care, housing assistance, education or even research dollars for studies undertaken by the doctors like the ones on this site. So for all of you saying you want to move to Latin America or Europe wants out of their universal systems, what world to you live in. Europeans have higher tax rates than we do in general, most have lower trade deficits, overalll debt, and small business are a larger percentage of their economy, all of this while having their superior health care systems. As for Latin America comments, maybe you dont follow international politics but latin america is going through what is called a turn left with leaders like Lula, Chavez, Morales and etc, just where do you think youll go, few countries are as radically right wing as us! If you want to go to places that have NO Universal system of care it seems like sub saharan Africa should be your place, maybe China, India or other tyranies. Obama didnt indebt this country and passing a reform in health care will likely lower its overall indebtedness as healthcare is the number one cause of peronal bankruptcy in this country!

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by John703, Jun 11, 2010
I think someone should also point out to the several misinformed people on this board that we are not going to have a universal system because of this bill, so it will never  be "free" as a result of this bill, nor is it free if you have universal care, it is simply publicly financed through your money, which in no way was a part of this bill unofortunately. You cant just make legislation into what youre told to despise, the bill has No public health care options, so you might try to stop making up things as you go. It simply has provisions that seek to include people into the system and stipulations to change the activities of the financial institutions who were ripping people off in the first place. And furthermore being that it's obama and he's some kind of rampant socialist LOL, like all of his other legislation it gives PLENTY to the capitalist institutions that are robbing people blind like the insurance co's who benifitted handsomely from the legislation.

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by Teak, Jun 11, 2010
We are indebt 100% of GDP now because of all the added expenses this administration forked out. This forced healthcare isn't going to benefit anyone. Small business will close because they can't afford it. Those that can't afford insurance will get a fine that they can't afford to pay and more than likely lose their jobs. How many people in the gulf just lost their jobs because of this administration closing down the oil rigs? No one has a superior healthcare that can even compete with the US. Just wasn't too long ago that a minister of Canada came to the US for heart surgery because he would have had to wait a year in Canada and he wouldn't have survived the wait. That is what you want to be placed on a waiting list? It’s not going to happen. Obama’s shove down your throat healthcare bill is going to get repealed if not found to be unconstitutional in the courts.

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by margypops, Jun 11, 2010
someone just sent me an e-mail on healthcare   www.thomas.gov

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by mammo, Jun 11, 2010
Teak...I agree.  Everyone will be required to carry health insurance or face a hefty fine if they don't.  The businesses will be forced to carry healthcare for their employees and if they can't afford to do this, they get fined so bad that most will be forced out of business. Stopping the off shore oil drilling was Obama pretending to care, it's rediculous for those to be closed and putting more of our people out of work.  It's like banning airplanes when one crashes, cars whe one crashes.  The oil industry is one of the highest regulated industries and things happen, it's catastrophic, and very sad, but we can delay progress.  Nobody ever addresses all the people that come to the US for their healthcare as I have brought this up many times, like the Prime Minister of Canada just being here!  Plus, the only ones that can come here are the wealthy and when our new healthcare starts there will be no place for even them to go.  Our government will be deciding who gets what treatment and when.  If you're elderly you will not get care because they feel you're on your way out anyway.  There will be death panels, you can bet on that.

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by John703, Jun 11, 2010
Lol the constitutionality was already attempted to get an overturn and it failed, its more than constitutional. Secondly, Small business recieve incentives and tax breaks to buy into the bill. Debt as percentage of GDP was already near 85% by the time obama took over following the yrs after yrs of wars and tax cutting disasters. You mention Canada cause its one of the few universal systems that has the problems with delivery of coverage that it does, if you go to France, Sweden and many others their is not this problem of delivery and if you're right then you would be able to explain why other nations indicators are so much better than ours in regard to life expectancy, infant mortality, and preventable deaths. No one will loose their jobs or will be unable to afford the very minor cost that will be included in the new bill. If you want to have some form of a system you have to incentivize people into it. The bill is better than we were before but still no where near other nations who live in a country with a functional healthcare system. Furthermore none of you can explain how we were going to pay for the system we had in the future with its proprojected costs and it being the number one cause of personal bankruptcy.Someone save us from the anti tax hysteria!

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by Teak, Jun 11, 2010
HB3962
http://docs.house.gov/rules/health/111_ahcaa.pdf

Read it John try something the rest of your left liberal friends and the Obama administration cronies didn't do before voting on it. Maybe you can come up with some true facts about the healthcare bill. One's personal bankruptcy is of their own making. Forclosures on homes that people shouldn't have been given loans for in the first place thanks to Barney Franks another one of your left liberal friends. John don't try to makes us laugh with your liberal agendas. None of us are laughing and you'll see it come November. They're will be a change.

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by John703, Jun 11, 2010
Pitiful attempt to divert the argument! When someone is unable to afford the cost of coverage that is denied in retrospect by their insurance company, which they've payed into and then subsequently does not cover their costs leading to their bankruptcy is hardly their own making. Maybe, you think that people who are unfortunate enough to come down with an illness and find out in the event their insurance decided to reject their coverage is there fault but i have far less of an authoritarian perspective than you do. I am not going to read 1090 page bill in order to prove some point on a message board. Im sure you havent read it either and know less about than anyone being that your saying it gives free insurance and making wild estimate about its cost when the cbo estimated that it would actually reduce the deficit. Furthermore health care is a necessity not a product that people can purchase with some distinct knowledge of. This is why it needs to be established through a national system like education and other institutions that provide for the public good. Just to point out the real facts again: 1. You can not account for the superioir indicators and results of the nations with national healthcare systems, which is why you have to constantly resort to personal testimonies regarding the candian system and have nothing to say about the comparative assessments by real studies eminating from the WHO, LOndon School of hygene and the london school of medicine. 2. The system we had prior to reform was the most costly in the world! Its all fine and well to attempt to blaim people for going bankrupt or having several other issues in paying for a system that takes up over a 1/6 of their income but by doing a simple cost benifit analysis it was draining the country of capital, restraining individual discresionary spending and having disasterous results in medicine. 3. Your assessment of the financial collapse and barney frank is directly from a right wing talking point and has no bearing on the reality that the riisky loans eminated from the deregulation of the financial institutions which led to the creation of subprime loans that Fannie and freddie hadnt even begun to buy into well into the crisis in fact two years after the subprime trend had already begu.4. I dont particularly care for obama and am liberal and my friends and i do not like the health care bill too much either. Still, you can in no way explain away your positions: massive tax cuts have got us in this perdicament (large national debt), wars and the military are draining this country of resources, we have to make drastic changes to our national economy and drilling for the 4% of the worlds oil is simply not a solution to the 25% of the worlds oil we now consume. The reality is you want us to plunge back into the 1870's when robber barrons ran the place !

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by peggy64, Jun 11, 2010
John, For the life of me, you liked that did you? ha ha

"The reality is you want us to plunge back into the 1870's when robber barrons ran the place"

        No, the reality is YOU want free health care or almost free. Which is just a dream. What has the government ever given that is really free? Nothing. That free stuff is extremely expensive in the long run. SOMEBODY has to pay. SOMEBODY is those of us that pay taxes.


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by teko, Jun 11, 2010
All those people out there with no insurance coverage pay taxes just like you do. They pay in so people can get welfare and all those entitlements just like you. And where did you ever get free? For the life of me I dont get that one, welfare is free to those getting it, other than that? What is free? You make no sense.

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by margypops, Jun 11, 2010
IMethinks someone has seen 'Robin Hood ' and its not true ... it was government that robbed the people blind... most Americans thinks that Robin hood took from the rich to give to the poor , the 'Rich ' were the goverment the people were taxed up to their hilts .Robber barons ..no way .....robber governments ...The death panels run like this ....The sicker the people needing treatments we have always had here from choice, wont be able to be afforded they have these panels who decide if its worth' giving expensive chemo/radiology to someone  with bad  cancer ..if you are too far'gone you wont get the treatment ..By the way another tidbit on the healthcare Obama modelled this one on....after the first child you dont get to have your baby in Hospital, no you have it at home with one midwife coming to deliver, if something goes wrong they get a 'flying' ambulance to go pick you up ... you may be lucky to get there in time ...I should know it happened to me ... when you get a bit older they may allow you to have that child in hospital if the risk is great ....Incidently this was LONDON England I am talking about ....not Russia

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by teko, Jun 11, 2010
If you actually want the truth about health care reform go to AARP, they have a detailed spread answering every accusation listed here. Do you dare? Nah! Of course not, you already know it all. lol

So be it.

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by mammo, Jun 11, 2010
John...as  small business owners we know there are no incentives to buy into it, well one...the BIG FAT fine we will get if we don't!  We ARE moving backwards with the current administration.  Forget the healthcare and just look at all the other rediculous things Obama has put in place in an under-handed way. It's about over-spending, lying, sneaking, and causing every other country to lose respect for us.  If he continues we will no longer be the country everyone will want to come to, no more American dream, no freedoms, just taxes, taxes and more taxes.  For God's sake Obama even wants to tax tanning beds, as trivial as this is in the scheme of things it just shows how desperate he is.  He has no business trying to run a country, because all he's doing is running it in the ground!

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by peggy64, Jun 11, 2010
AARP is a liberal site as well.

If you acturally want the truth about health care reform why don't you check out the places we have suggested? Do you dare? Nah! of course not, you already know it all. lol

And so it goes.

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by margypops, Jun 11, 2010
...Yup we sure do know it all ... lol    AARP is really liberal there was a lot of trouble about them last year ......yes look them up its all there ...lol dont want to check where you suggested the truth may be there ....

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by Teak, Jun 11, 2010
teko, have you got through the first five pages of the healthcare bill? Don't feel alone, neither did the liberal congress or the president before they voted on it. How about the sale they tried to make on the immediate healthcare to children to pass the healthcare bill then it was pointed out to them it didn't take affect until 2014? Go out today and by a car and make payments on it every month knowing you won't get to drive it for 3 years.

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by Sarajmt, Jun 11, 2010
AARP stands to make a lot of money with this bill.  Their support is quite understandable.  Maybe you heard of the vast number of people to sent back their cards and rescinded their membership.
From The American Spectator:

"One of the subplots to the health care debate I've been following is the cozy relationship between AARP and the Obama administration, as the group has thrown its full-throated support behind the Democrats' health care push even though their membership comes from the age group  most opposed to Democratic health care proposals. Today, House Republicans have issued a  report providing evidence that AARP is in a position to recieve tens of millions of dollars in "kickbacks" if Democratic health care legislation becomes law.

President Obama and Democrats have proposed saving money to pay for health care legislation, in part, by cutting $162 billion in payments to Medicare Advantage, which allows Medicare recipients to choose privately-administered coverage. If these changes go through, millions of seniors who have chosen Medicare Advantage would lose their current coverage, forcing them into government-administered plans with less generous benefits. As a result, many of them would have to purchase policies to supplement traditional Medicare. Enter AARP.

In 2008, AARP generated $652.7 million in revenue by selling products like Medigap supplemental Medicare insurance, accounting for over 60 percent of the group's revenue, according to an analysis of its financial statements cited in the report released by the House Republican Conference.

If the House Democrats health care bill becomes law, the report argues, it would be a boon to AARP, because while Medicare Advantage plans will be required to pay out 85 percent of the money collected in premiums to claims made by policy holders, the requirement would only be 65 percent for the kind of Medigap policies sold by AARP.

"In other words, under the Democrat bill, seniors could pay as much as 20 cents more out of every premium dollar to fund 'kickbacks' to AARP-sponsored Medigap plans than Medicare Advantage plans," the GOP report charges.

But this isn't the only way that AARP is getting special favors, according to the report.

Earlier this month insurer Humana Inc. sent customers who enrolled in the company's Medicare Advantage plan a letter warning them that their benefits would be in danger if the Democratic health care legislation passed. Senate Finance Committee Chairman Max Baucus complained to the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services, which not only ordered Humana to stop sending the letters to its customers, but prohibited any other private insurers from doing the same. Except, that is, AARP -- which sponsors a Medicare Advantage program in addition to the Medigap policies it offers, but was exempt from the Obama administration's gag order.

I have a call into AARP, and will update the post once I get a response.

UPDATE: AARP emailed this statement from its executive vice president, Nancy LeaMond, as a response, though it doesn't address any of the specific charges raised in the report:

    "Any effort to derail AARP’s commitment to reform will not succeed.  Similar to “death panels” and other scare tactics, this latest effort is a misguided attempt to talk about anything other than the health care reform this country needs.  AARP will continue to work on reform for our members that prohibits insurers from discriminating based on health status or pre-existing conditions, strengthens Medicare by improving quality of care, cutting out fraud and abuse, and closing the so-called ‘doughnut hole’ for prescription drugs.

    "AARP was started more than 50 years ago to fight for older Americans and their need for health care – our fight continues today.  Over those 50 years our public policies have always dictated every decision we have made.

    "The only benefit AARP is looking for in health reform is relief for the millions of Americans who are crushed by soaring prescription drug prices, relief for the millions of Americans who are told they can’t get coverage because they’re too old or too sick, and relief for the millions of Americans who need Medicare strengthened. Period." "


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by teko, Jun 11, 2010
Then go to whitehouse.gov.

Of course not! We all know how you feel about that one! So, stay with you ignorance then.

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by Barbarella, Jun 11, 2010
AMAC  (Association For Mature Adult Citizens) took tons of customers from AARP ever since AARP announced that they would support Obamacare.   They must be hurting for customers big time  because ever since we cut up our card and sent it back, like so many people did, we are now being bombarded with mail "begging" us to come back.  We are using their "self addressed/self stamped envelope every time telling them "we are not interested in coming back", but the mail continues, and on top of that we are now getting e-mails from AARP wanting us to come back.  We blocked them, we wonder if the next step  will be "calling us".  Pathetic!  and desperate!

http://www.amac.us/amac-was-founded-to-be-your-alternative-to-aarp-2/

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by Sarajmt, Jun 11, 2010
My point is simply this.  Any individual or corporation that stands to make a lot of money of a piece of legislation is going
to do everything in their power to push the legislation and keep it candy coated.  

I do not trust the white House site.  Perhaps you recall the debacle of how they were counting jobs created.  Their method amounts to an out and out lie about jobs.  Even Democrats are running for cover over this one and denouncing the White House jobs count.  So no, the White House record of truth is questionable at best.

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by specialmom, Jun 11, 2010
I'm not one that supports either a single payer system or the health care bill as it stands now . . . but based on this journal I might be convinced to vote for universal coverage for anger management courses.  Just kidding.  (do NOT pm me with hate mail . . . just trying to lighten the mood.)

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by Sarajmt, Jun 11, 2010
It is getting kind of hot isn't it!  But it's interesting to see the different viewpoints.

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by margypops, Jun 11, 2010
We dont need to lighten the mood if explaining oursleves other wise it defeats the object of boogiemans journal..it didnt read like a journal thats was meant to be' lightened'..

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by margypops, Jun 11, 2010
thank you Sarah is what I meant to say for finding all that  detailed info regarding AARP I have read many negative things about them but your info explained ..it more fully than I could ...

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by Teak, Jun 11, 2010
teko, you want us to go to whitehouse.gov which is prepared by the same people that are lying to us now? The same people Robert Gibbs talks about every day? If we want propaganda all we would have to do is listen to you. November is going to be sweet, it's just not going to get here quick enough.

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by mami1323, Jun 11, 2010
So who is right here? The AARP or whitehouse.gov? It all depends on what you believe. I understand specialmom's post about lightening things up. I've seen so many "I hate Obama" journals its disheartening to think how toxic this has become. I'm not saying not to worry about this country or about our future but there isn't one president who has gone without blame. It does take more than one person to bring down this country. That's all I have to say and I'm sure now I will get hate pm's to.

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by Teak, Jun 11, 2010
255 democrats in the house
51 democratic senators

I do believe that is more than 1 and you can blame them plus Obama.

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by SeriousSam, Jun 11, 2010
First of all, while I can't stand Obama as an native of Illinois most of the problems we have today were postponed originated in the periods of Reagan and all the presidents that followed.

Regarding medical care Germany has had national healthcare since the 1800's if they can do it why can't we?

Bailouts?  Why did we bailout banks (that started under Bush?) that are now NOT giving loans but ARE buying stocks etc. at discount prices?


Re:  Religion?  A great idea for people who have no hope but it shouldn't be used as a  crutch for thinking.
Remember Aesops Fables?  "Heracles helps those who help themselves".

Regarding Sarah Palin:  I think she is hot love her accent but the fact that I like anything about her is a warning as I have atrocious taste in women.  Consider this... Is a career politician ever a good idea?  Like most parassites the flame of logic should be used to burn them off the body politic.

Just some thoughts..

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by Teak, Jun 13, 2010
Obama is asking Republican lawmakers to approve billions of dollars in new spending to avert a scheduled 21 percent cut in payments to doctors who treat Medicare patients. Hell no, We are tired of Obama's lies. Where is the 500m they were suppose to get from fraud in Medicare and Medicaid? You can bet none of these additional cost were in the CBO's figures. Obama also urged congressional leaders Saturday to approve his proposals to pump more federal money into states where thousands of teachers, firefighters and other public officials face likely layoffs.

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by margypops, Jun 19, 2010
I suggest you take a good look at how Germany is doing they are almost busted aswell .....Europe is going down the tubes ....I laugh when I hear the rhetoric about Sarah Palin , she has made less boo boos than OBama ......

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