?? correlation between hpylori/ heart palps,arrhythmia

[sick and tired 47]

Hi all!
I found a very interesting discovery last night. There has been a link between heart palps,arrhythmia and h pylori virus. I have PSVT and my heart issues started when I was being treated with mega dose antibiotics for h pylori. One site even said h pylori has unconfirmed relationship to Hashimoto's thyroid.
For me this was an real eye opener... no dr. has been able to tell me why after 46 healthy years I suddenly developed heart issues... this may be my  1st clue.
I can not find any studies/protocols that state how to evaluate or possible reverse the "damage "done by the virus or exactly how it happens with in the heart.
Please, if anyone has any info I can take to my cardiologist please send it to me.Right now I am being treated with atenolol which helps with tachycardia but still have chest pain, tightness, heaviness which greatly affects my quality of life.
I am also looking for natural supplements that would help my heart arrhythmia- perhaps some day get off the betablocker.
Any information is greatly appreciated.. Thanks again!!!

[Bachdame]

I tested positive for h pylori, and believe me, heart palpitations and rapid pulse come with this very weird  infection.  I have had shortness of breath, as well.  All typical of h pylori.  I am nearing the end of my two antibiotics, (plus an anti-acid med PLUS a very limited diet) and I am still suffering.  The pharmacist says to "be patient".  It will get better if you do everything you are told to do.  

[AMARJODH]

How re you doing right now,i see this thread is quite old.I hope your palpitation have reduced.

[sick and tired 47]

thanks all.. keep the info coming!!

[Barb135]

I take a magnesium by Solaray.  It's "BioCitrate" Formulated for Enhanced Absorption.
Vegetarian Capsules

[PlateletGal]

Do you have any other symptoms than the symptoms you listed in your starter post ?

The Marshall Protocol isn't for everyone and it isn't Dr. Barry Marshall's protocol. There are other protocols, even natural ones, that are helping people who have these chronic "mystery" diseases. One thing that some researchers and physicians have found is people who are chronically ill tend to have a high infection rates... either viral, bacterial or both.  Testing for some of these infections isn't always easy because the standard labs do not perform the testing we often need. Here is the link for the preferred labs and infections that are commonly positive in people who are chronically ill:

http://www.immed.org/illness/clinical_testing.html

Since insurance may or may not pay for the testing... you may want to consider just trying one natural formula for bacterial or viral infections and seeing if you have herxing (detoxing) symptoms. If you do, that is clearly a sign that the treatment is working and killing off organisms that your body doesn't want. If you would like more information.. let me know. I can only tell you what I'm doing and what is helping me. Of course, you would have to get your physician's blessing first before you try anything new.

Best,

~P-Gal

[Paxiled]

Welcome to the mystery diagnosis club.  In the third year of Paxil withdrawal.  Never got over it, and haven't found any expert who has a clue how to deal with it.  There's a lot of mystery diagnoses lurking out there, sometimes around the next corner where the incompetent doctor is hiding!

[sick and tired 47]

Thanks for the info. I reviewed the Marshal protocol... very different approach.
I take COQ10 , omega 3 ( fish oil). and magnesium citrate ( 600mg) .
l have to consider adding actyl carnitine. I just have to be careful, my heart seems to so sensitive and "jumps" or I go into tachycardia very easy. Would the carnitine help heal??
  I am still trying to find how the h pylori invades the heart and what exactly does it do??? Is this forever problem or can I reverse it if it came from the h pylori?? and then perhaps it was caused by the megadoses of antibiotics.. but I just have a feeling it is a remaining "gift" from the bacteria.
I have read says once you test negative for h pylori your arrhythmia should get better. Mine has not... it seems harder and harder to control or I should say the chest pain, heaviness, has increased.
  I wonder if I ever will feel "normal" again??
I contacted a nautropath last week. We discussed my hx and he did not mention muscle testing... he said he works alot with supplements which is what my nutritionist is doing so I am unsure if he could do anything more. He said he had never had any similar cases/symptoms.. not promising.
I was tested for Lymes- it was negative. after my freind reminded me of a very "nasty spider bite" I had about 7 years ago.. was living in Europe and did not go to dr.
   ?? how do they check for coinfections?? My PCP has checked for lupus, RA, had ACE testing, All normal.
    Ahhh, some days I feel like I am going to be on Mystery Diagnosis. some day.. but first a dr has to make a diagnosis!!!
The nutritionist suggested magnesium IV, but closest place is 3 1/2 hours away... and dr there  wants me to do it for 3 days in a row , so add in hotel, food, driving, $$$ which not be so bad if it worked, but it was suggested I would have to repeat this every couple weeks.
A lot to think about all!!! Keep ideas coming... you are all AWESOME!!! I just know one day the answer will come to me... and maybe right here!!
Have a great weekend all!! Thanks again.

[PlateletGal]

H-pylori is actually a bacteria and that is why it is now treated with antibiotics. Dr. Barry Marshall was the physician who made the discovery and won the Nobel prize as a result. I remember reading about how Dr. Marshall's colleagues were laughing at the idea that H-pylori was a bacterial infection and so Dr. Marshall actually drank some of the H-pylori to prove his theory. His colleagues weren't laughing then.

You know I'm seeing heart problems not only in CFS patients (two thirds of CFS patients have an L-form bacterial infection), but in lyme patients as well. It seems to me that all of us who have these bacterial infections and high virus titers... should be taking supplements for heart health (ACTYL Carnitine --- COQ10 ----- Omega 3 fatty acids).


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barry_Marshall

[Paxiled]

Magnesium definitely is the mineral most responsible for relaxing the heart muscle, but since she's already taking a prescription heart relaxer/regulator (the beta blocker), it's important to know how they interact.  I don't.  As for most absorbable, if you figure that out, you'd make a mint.  The worst form is probably magnesium oxide.  I take magnesium citrate, but I take it in a 2:1 ratio magnesium to calcium (reverse the normal ratio) because of muscle cramps and anxiety by Solaray.  Make sure with powders and liquids they haven't been exposed to too much light anywhere in the process, because oxidation could occur.  That's why I stick to capsules.

[laura1967]

Have you tried a real good form of magnesium?? Any takers here to best type for absorption??? I would say a good liquid form or powder mixed with water. I take a product called Calm and it is easily absorbed.
I would recommend a naturopath who can muscle test you to find out if it is heart related, thyroid related, or pathogen related. They can tell if it is viral or bacterial and then get more precise from there.
Have you ever been tested for Lymes or co-infections?
I have read the quickest way to deal with irregular heart beats, etc, is magnesium intravenously. You might find a dr in your area who does vitamin and mineral infusions.
Just some thoughts.

[Paxiled]

Only thing I can think of is the usual, taking probiotics to replace what the antibiotics killed.  You might also try a Chinese formula called Fu Zheng, sold by Herbalist and Alchemist, which helps people recover from severe stresses like surgery and chemo and such.  But check with your doctor first, it's an adaptogenic, he may think it's too energizing.  I just don't think in all my years of this I've ever heard of a natural remedy for heart palps.  Maybe a naturopath would be an idea.  (I love I always tell people to see all these professionals I can't personally afford!)

[sick and tired 47]

Do you have any ideas on this???Thanks!

[sick and tired 47]

Yep, to late now for the mastic gum... and my h pylori was very resistant. I took THREE different rounds of mega antibiotics!!!
My now PCP dr. says he thinks my problem is my immune system too... and he is unsure if it will recover. He is a DO, promotes fish oil,probiotics,ect...He does not know what else to recommend, but supports me in my quest.
  Either way,... there has to be some info out there on how to reverse this problem. I have had a complete cardiac workup and nothing structurally wrong with my heart... just
electrically.
If it is inflammation caused by either H pylori or antibiotics there should be some research on how to reverse it..
And I am on a mission to find it.
Thanks again.

[LizWilson12]

Yes, make sure they are ok to take together.

[Paxiled]

Be afraid to recommend herbs if you're on a beta blocker.  Might need to see a naturopath in conjunction with your doc for that one.  

Don't have a clue here, but are you sure the damage was caused by the h pylori?  Could it have been the massive doses of antibiotics?  They cause great damage to the immune system, which results in inflammation, which is a great contributor to heart problems.  Just a shot in the dark here.

Many cases of h pylori can be dealt with using mastic gum and manukka honey.  A little late for you, though.  What a bummer!