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What do you all make of 2012?
Just out of curiosity, what do you all think of the 2012 End of the World predictions?
I'm not really sure I believe December 21, 2012 is going to be the end of the world as we know it, but I'm beginning to wonder if something really significant might actually happen that is a worldwide phenomenon.
I never had much interest in the 2012 predictions until this last year, simply because my husband is hopelessly addicted to the History and National Geographic channels. And I swear, at least three times a week or more, there is a documentary or something of the like on about the 2012 predictions. So naturally, I've watched a few over the past year.
What I find interesting is that it's not just the Mayan calendar that predicts an end to its calendar in 2012. There are also extremely similar predictions by the Hopi Indian tribe (if I'm not mistaken, that is the tribe), Nostradomus, and the Hindu religion, if I remember correctly. And all of the history dates these predictions to have taken place around the same time, yet each prophecy is from a very different part of the world (South America, North America, Europe, and India). I find that interesting and a little creepy.
Okay, not to mention that I have read April2's post about Daniel's Timeline. I have not had a chance to watch the youtube clips, and I don't know if I'll have a chance anytime soon, BUT I couldn't help but notice that she pointed out that that particular timeline predicts the tribulation may begin as soon as this next month.
Yet at the same time, I can't get out of my head that Jesus even told his disciples that not even he, nor the angels in heaven, know the day or the hour that the Father has chosen for his return. (Matthew 24:36-51)
So I'm a little confused about all of this, and I will admit that I haven't really done much Bible study on the end times. What is supposed to happen? Does the tribulation begin first, and then Jesus returns, or is it the other way around?
When Jesus says that only the Father knows the day and the hour for Christ's return, does that mean we can predict everything that will happen up to that point, such as the tribulation, but we won't know when Christ will return within that time?
I have no fear of any of this. I'm just confused as to the order of it all happening. I agree that our world is close to a point of reaching the end, the tribulation. But I'm confused about all these predictions seeming to *know* exact dates or periods of time, Biblically and secularly.
What do all of you make of this?
I'm not really sure I believe December 21, 2012 is going to be the end of the world as we know it, but I'm beginning to wonder if something really significant might actually happen that is a worldwide phenomenon.
I never had much interest in the 2012 predictions until this last year, simply because my husband is hopelessly addicted to the History and National Geographic channels. And I swear, at least three times a week or more, there is a documentary or something of the like on about the 2012 predictions. So naturally, I've watched a few over the past year.
What I find interesting is that it's not just the Mayan calendar that predicts an end to its calendar in 2012. There are also extremely similar predictions by the Hopi Indian tribe (if I'm not mistaken, that is the tribe), Nostradomus, and the Hindu religion, if I remember correctly. And all of the history dates these predictions to have taken place around the same time, yet each prophecy is from a very different part of the world (South America, North America, Europe, and India). I find that interesting and a little creepy.
Okay, not to mention that I have read April2's post about Daniel's Timeline. I have not had a chance to watch the youtube clips, and I don't know if I'll have a chance anytime soon, BUT I couldn't help but notice that she pointed out that that particular timeline predicts the tribulation may begin as soon as this next month.
Yet at the same time, I can't get out of my head that Jesus even told his disciples that not even he, nor the angels in heaven, know the day or the hour that the Father has chosen for his return. (Matthew 24:36-51)
So I'm a little confused about all of this, and I will admit that I haven't really done much Bible study on the end times. What is supposed to happen? Does the tribulation begin first, and then Jesus returns, or is it the other way around?
When Jesus says that only the Father knows the day and the hour for Christ's return, does that mean we can predict everything that will happen up to that point, such as the tribulation, but we won't know when Christ will return within that time?
I have no fear of any of this. I'm just confused as to the order of it all happening. I agree that our world is close to a point of reaching the end, the tribulation. But I'm confused about all these predictions seeming to *know* exact dates or periods of time, Biblically and secularly.
What do all of you make of this?
Amen Sis! Yeah revelations is mostly symbolic! So what I do is ask GOD 2 give me wisdom,knowledge,understanding of his word! I used 2 get confused when reading @ 1st too! But I took my time with it & everything from the new world order to daniels time line is right there! Revelations means that GOD will reveal things in the last days;)
Thank you for posting all that, April. :-)
I've done a lot of Bible studies, but haven't ever gotten much of a chance to touch on the subject of the End Times. So my confusion was coming from what verses I have read about it, and the book of Revelation, because without really having anyone to discuss the subject with, the reading is a little confusing to me. It's a lot of symbolizm that I have had a hard time following every time I've tried to study it on my own.
I'll try to watch a few of those clips on youtube about Daniel's Timeline. It might take me a few weeks to get through them all though because I hardly have the time to use the computer at home with two kids needing me all the time and my husband needing the computer for class work, lol.
This is a subject I've wanted to really study a lot more, but I haven't had anyone to help me with it.
I've done a lot of Bible studies, but haven't ever gotten much of a chance to touch on the subject of the End Times. So my confusion was coming from what verses I have read about it, and the book of Revelation, because without really having anyone to discuss the subject with, the reading is a little confusing to me. It's a lot of symbolizm that I have had a hard time following every time I've tried to study it on my own.
I'll try to watch a few of those clips on youtube about Daniel's Timeline. It might take me a few weeks to get through them all though because I hardly have the time to use the computer at home with two kids needing me all the time and my husband needing the computer for class work, lol.
This is a subject I've wanted to really study a lot more, but I haven't had anyone to help me with it.
Amen & amen! Jesus did say when you see these things take place then you know that the end of this age is hear! & we do see GODS warning signs everywhere don't we! Now I'm only on the 5th video but from what I seen thus far it does make sense! But never take mans word always make sure that it is backed up by scriptures! That's why most people will believe anything because they don't read the bible! & it will be easy 4 the enemy to run game on you!! Read GODS word!!!
Audrey, watch those videos on Daniels Timeline. He explains in there that Jesus actually does want us to know and be prepared for his return and he gives scriptures to back that up.
He predicted that the tribulation would start this fall but don't forget, the tribulation is supposed to be 7 years so he believes the end of the tribulation will be 2016.
I hate to give you all the ending because you really need to watch ALL the videos in order to understand how he came up with these dates. He used God's feasts, the years between, etc., and a lot of other mathmatical stuff that I have a hard time explaining here!
I'm not saying this guy is it. I don't know. I know that his study has made more sense to me than any other I have heard because he uses scriptures all throughout and the importance of the feasts, etc., including the wedding feast of the bride, which will happen after Christ comes back to get his bride.
I looked this up, maybe it will help. Look closely at Rev. 3:3. Doesn't that look like Jesus does indeed want us to know, be aware and prepared for his return?
Revelations 3:3
"So remember what you received and heard. Obey it, and repent. If you are NOT alert, I will come like a thief, and you won't know the time when I will come to you."
Read it again until that sinks in. It took awhile for me to have that "Aha moment!"
It's saying if you don't pay attention to the signs THEN Jesus will come upon you like a thief.
Here's a few more things to think about:
One passage says we would not know the day or hour (Mat 24:36 Mark 13:32).
The whole context of this scripture is after the signs and wonders that Jesus just spoke about in that passage. The passage is talking to Israel about the time just prior to His Revelation in glory. It is not talking about the rapture of the Church. When Jesus spoke this, the New Covenant Church was not yet given. Jesus in the same passage said it would be like in the days of Noah just before He returns. Noah built the Ark for the flood and knew about when the flood was coming. Noah was protected from the flood by the Ark (Jesus). Noah was not taken to heaven before the time of the flood but his Great Grandfather Enoch was (Enoch walked with God by faith - a type of the Church). The other passage critics use was what Jesus said to his living disciples. Jesus said, it was not for them to know the times and the seasons for the restored Jewish Kingdom. (Acts 1:6,7)
They had no reason to know because the generation living at that time was not in the end times. Jesus did not say the Church would never know the season. He told these disciples what their role would be in the next verse. They would be eye witnesses of Jesus.
Paul implies the Church would know the times and seasons:
1 Th 5:1 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.
2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.
4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.
5 Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.
6 Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.
7 For they that sleep sleep in the night; and they that be drunken are drunken in the night.
8 But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation.
9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,
The passage is implying that the judgment would come when the world is saying peace and safety. Paul also says we are not of darkness that this day would come on us as a thief. The peace and safety statement appears to be a direct reference to a prior Paul teaching about the Lord returning as a thief in the night. Here in this passage Paul again says that the day of wrath would come when the world is saying peace and safety. So we have to ask, when does that take place in scripture? We see in Revelation that it occurs at the mid point of the seventh week of Daniel. People are throwing a worldwide party after the two prophets of God that tormented them for 42 months are killed (Rev 11:10). In case you think that Paul could not know these end time events, I will remind you that Paul was taken to the Third Heaven (2 Cor 12:2-4) and while there Paul probably got educated on some of the same things that John wrote about in Revelation. I think Paul may be telling us here that the Church will know when the time is short by watching and observing what the world is saying and doing.
Why tell believers to look up when you see the signs if there is nothing to see (Lk 21:28)? Hebrews tells us not to forsake the assembling together and so much more as you see the day approaching (Heb 10:25). If we cannot see the day approaching, what is the point of this passage saying that we can? Elijah knew when the Lord was coming to take him to Heaven and also told Elisha.
Jesus said to the Church at Sardis " if therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee" (Rev 3:3). Conversely then, the passage implies that there will be those that are watching and that they would know when Jesus was coming. Jesus confirms this with His message to the church at Philadelphia. Jesus said, He will delivered them from the trial that comes on everyone on the earth because they were faithful and watching (Rev 3:10).
There is a huge difference between setting a firm date and talking about the likely season of the second coming of Jesus Christ. So please understand that from the scriptures a reasonable case can be built that the true Church will indeed know the general timing of the second coming of Jesus. So in spite of the passages that say no one knows the exact day or hour and that the disciples living in Jesus' time would not be told when the Jewish Kingdom would be restored, I believe it would be wrong to say that the Church will be in darkness about the second coming of Jesus Christ. Cannot the Holy Spirit in the Church even inform the Church when the time is short?
He predicted that the tribulation would start this fall but don't forget, the tribulation is supposed to be 7 years so he believes the end of the tribulation will be 2016.
I hate to give you all the ending because you really need to watch ALL the videos in order to understand how he came up with these dates. He used God's feasts, the years between, etc., and a lot of other mathmatical stuff that I have a hard time explaining here!
I'm not saying this guy is it. I don't know. I know that his study has made more sense to me than any other I have heard because he uses scriptures all throughout and the importance of the feasts, etc., including the wedding feast of the bride, which will happen after Christ comes back to get his bride.
I looked this up, maybe it will help. Look closely at Rev. 3:3. Doesn't that look like Jesus does indeed want us to know, be aware and prepared for his return?
Revelations 3:3
"So remember what you received and heard. Obey it, and repent. If you are NOT alert, I will come like a thief, and you won't know the time when I will come to you."
Read it again until that sinks in. It took awhile for me to have that "Aha moment!"
It's saying if you don't pay attention to the signs THEN Jesus will come upon you like a thief.
Here's a few more things to think about:
One passage says we would not know the day or hour (Mat 24:36 Mark 13:32).
The whole context of this scripture is after the signs and wonders that Jesus just spoke about in that passage. The passage is talking to Israel about the time just prior to His Revelation in glory. It is not talking about the rapture of the Church. When Jesus spoke this, the New Covenant Church was not yet given. Jesus in the same passage said it would be like in the days of Noah just before He returns. Noah built the Ark for the flood and knew about when the flood was coming. Noah was protected from the flood by the Ark (Jesus). Noah was not taken to heaven before the time of the flood but his Great Grandfather Enoch was (Enoch walked with God by faith - a type of the Church). The other passage critics use was what Jesus said to his living disciples. Jesus said, it was not for them to know the times and the seasons for the restored Jewish Kingdom. (Acts 1:6,7)
They had no reason to know because the generation living at that time was not in the end times. Jesus did not say the Church would never know the season. He told these disciples what their role would be in the next verse. They would be eye witnesses of Jesus.
Paul implies the Church would know the times and seasons:
1 Th 5:1 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.
2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.
4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.
5 Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.
6 Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.
7 For they that sleep sleep in the night; and they that be drunken are drunken in the night.
8 But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation.
9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,
The passage is implying that the judgment would come when the world is saying peace and safety. Paul also says we are not of darkness that this day would come on us as a thief. The peace and safety statement appears to be a direct reference to a prior Paul teaching about the Lord returning as a thief in the night. Here in this passage Paul again says that the day of wrath would come when the world is saying peace and safety. So we have to ask, when does that take place in scripture? We see in Revelation that it occurs at the mid point of the seventh week of Daniel. People are throwing a worldwide party after the two prophets of God that tormented them for 42 months are killed (Rev 11:10). In case you think that Paul could not know these end time events, I will remind you that Paul was taken to the Third Heaven (2 Cor 12:2-4) and while there Paul probably got educated on some of the same things that John wrote about in Revelation. I think Paul may be telling us here that the Church will know when the time is short by watching and observing what the world is saying and doing.
Why tell believers to look up when you see the signs if there is nothing to see (Lk 21:28)? Hebrews tells us not to forsake the assembling together and so much more as you see the day approaching (Heb 10:25). If we cannot see the day approaching, what is the point of this passage saying that we can? Elijah knew when the Lord was coming to take him to Heaven and also told Elisha.
Jesus said to the Church at Sardis " if therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee" (Rev 3:3). Conversely then, the passage implies that there will be those that are watching and that they would know when Jesus was coming. Jesus confirms this with His message to the church at Philadelphia. Jesus said, He will delivered them from the trial that comes on everyone on the earth because they were faithful and watching (Rev 3:10).
There is a huge difference between setting a firm date and talking about the likely season of the second coming of Jesus Christ. So please understand that from the scriptures a reasonable case can be built that the true Church will indeed know the general timing of the second coming of Jesus. So in spite of the passages that say no one knows the exact day or hour and that the disciples living in Jesus' time would not be told when the Jewish Kingdom would be restored, I believe it would be wrong to say that the Church will be in darkness about the second coming of Jesus Christ. Cannot the Holy Spirit in the Church even inform the Church when the time is short?
Amen! The world will not end in 2012 that's a myth! Because the scriptures tell us that no man knows the day nor the hr not even Jesus! Only GOD knows that but I can say things will get worse by that time as a matter of fact even before that time! But the end is close & Israel will be the key to letting us know that the end is near! When nations go against GODS chosen even the u.s. You can pretty much sum it up! Iran is in the process of building a nuclear weapon & Russia is supporting them! Now these two will play a role in the end times along with other nations to wipe out Israel! It's part of the new world order plan that is set up by the anti-christ & Satan! So do I believe in 2012 nope but I do believe that we are right there!!
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