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Dont Knock our Health System
Canada's system is called Medicare, and is much like Medicare in the U.S. for over-65-year-olds, except that this one treats virtually the entire Canadian population of 33 million.Canadians are setting aside their criticisms of Medicare and rallying to its defense. The reason: Their system has been dragged into the debate over President Barack Obama's health care reform proposals by opponents who say Canada proves Obama is wrong — that Canadians endure long waits for critical procedures, medical rationing, scant resources and heavy-handed government interference.
http://www.the33tv.com/news/nationworld/sns-ap-cn-canada-medicare-for-all,0,5821607.story
http://www.the33tv.com/news/nationworld/sns-ap-cn-canada-medicare-for-all,0,5821607.story
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Here are what I consider to be mutually exclusive positions:
1) The government will make a complete mess out of healthcare - rationing, long waiting, govt. bureaucratics making decisions, pulling grandma's plug etc.
2) A public option will make it impossible for healthcare insurance companies to compete.
I have a small company and I provide healthcare. If there was a public option available today I am not moving - I'm sticking with what I have. I think the vast majority of employers who offer healthcare would do the same thing. We will not move until we see whether the government option works and how well it works.
If the government screws it up as badly as we are led to believe it will, then I will never switch and I think it's safe to assume that a great many employers will do the same and thus the private healthcare companies will survive.
So, how is a public option a risk (except for the cost, that is)? If it is as bad as they predict then the only people in it will be in the lower economic bracket and, perhaps, the young people. The rest will be with the private healthcare providers.
Mike
1) The government will make a complete mess out of healthcare - rationing, long waiting, govt. bureaucratics making decisions, pulling grandma's plug etc.
2) A public option will make it impossible for healthcare insurance companies to compete.
I have a small company and I provide healthcare. If there was a public option available today I am not moving - I'm sticking with what I have. I think the vast majority of employers who offer healthcare would do the same thing. We will not move until we see whether the government option works and how well it works.
If the government screws it up as badly as we are led to believe it will, then I will never switch and I think it's safe to assume that a great many employers will do the same and thus the private healthcare companies will survive.
So, how is a public option a risk (except for the cost, that is)? If it is as bad as they predict then the only people in it will be in the lower economic bracket and, perhaps, the young people. The rest will be with the private healthcare providers.
Mike
Rocker I would never make fun of your healthcare system. Every Canadian I"ve ever known has been completely satisfied with it as far as I can tell and you folks don't leave people on the curb to die as oftentimes happens here in the States from lack of insurance. OR people working their entire lives and then losing thier homes and going bankrupt because of one operation. I was just talking to an executive up in Canada the other day who when she found out I was sick kept saying but you have insurance why didn't you go to the doctors!!!!!!!!!! OH yes all the huge COPAYS were not in my paycheck that week and what good is a doc without medication anyway? She couldn't understand it.
Denise - Maybe if Americans would quit trying to help everyone else out and concentrate on ourselves, we would have the money to provide a FREE State of the Art Health Care System second to none.
DITTO DITTO DITTO DITTO.
And ditto some more to that amen!
OH yes as I've seen a million times the old expression "I have to take random drug tests for my employment check how about random drug tests to receive welfare checks". There are LOTS of ways we could clean out the weeds and try to find the funding to get healthcare for those who do not have it.....if they'd stop talking about death panels long enough for feeble minded folks not to be confused by it all.
Denise - Maybe if Americans would quit trying to help everyone else out and concentrate on ourselves, we would have the money to provide a FREE State of the Art Health Care System second to none.
DITTO DITTO DITTO DITTO.
And ditto some more to that amen!
OH yes as I've seen a million times the old expression "I have to take random drug tests for my employment check how about random drug tests to receive welfare checks". There are LOTS of ways we could clean out the weeds and try to find the funding to get healthcare for those who do not have it.....if they'd stop talking about death panels long enough for feeble minded folks not to be confused by it all.
yes, interesting times - there's nothing like making a decision close to the bone to show a democracy at work. Both those for and against the public option now claim to have the majority of the popular will. The Senate finance committee proposal, which Grassley insists will include no public option, is due on the 15th but any compromise at this point seems unlikely.
Whether the Senate goes down the reconciliation path to force a majority vote may depend on what Obama has to say next Monday. By now the recess has given them all a chance to hear what people have to say. One interesting data point is the number of Drs advocating a public option. See the blog by Dr. Fogoros on the 'Expert Activity' link
http://www.medhelp.org/user_journals/show/117395
also the number of MDs with letters to the editor in last Sunday's NYT.
I was curious about the infamous 'town hall meetings' and went to hear my House representative tonight with a (clean!) hand-designed/lettered T shirt captioned
Public=Our
Option=Choice
After reading the stories I was wondering about a bullet-proof vest but the evening went fairly well. Some loud boos broke out when the Congresswoman emphatically stated no bill without a public option would pass the House and a Pekinese next to me started barking uncontrollably and had to be removed. The rest of the evening was civil - but just barely.
Half the questions had to do with illegal immigrants which IMHO is beside the point. The need for immigration reform doesn't lessen the need for health care reform - do we really want Drs/nurses acting as border patrol agents? It's not over till it's over - but from this end the outlook seems promising.
Whether the Senate goes down the reconciliation path to force a majority vote may depend on what Obama has to say next Monday. By now the recess has given them all a chance to hear what people have to say. One interesting data point is the number of Drs advocating a public option. See the blog by Dr. Fogoros on the 'Expert Activity' link
http://www.medhelp.org/user_journals/show/117395
also the number of MDs with letters to the editor in last Sunday's NYT.
I was curious about the infamous 'town hall meetings' and went to hear my House representative tonight with a (clean!) hand-designed/lettered T shirt captioned
Public=Our
Option=Choice
After reading the stories I was wondering about a bullet-proof vest but the evening went fairly well. Some loud boos broke out when the Congresswoman emphatically stated no bill without a public option would pass the House and a Pekinese next to me started barking uncontrollably and had to be removed. The rest of the evening was civil - but just barely.
Half the questions had to do with illegal immigrants which IMHO is beside the point. The need for immigration reform doesn't lessen the need for health care reform - do we really want Drs/nurses acting as border patrol agents? It's not over till it's over - but from this end the outlook seems promising.
Everyone I talk to wants a change to the current health care and yet there are so many unanswered questions.
I don't have the answers but I somehow feel that the public has been encouraged to be apprehensive by the big guys who are opposed to the plan because it will cut into their huge profits.
I'm willing to try a new marriage rather than let this old one keep bullying us.
I shouldn't have mentioned the Clinton plan at all because honestly I don't remember enough about it to comment on it.
And you are right, nothing is going to please everyone, except maybe free icecream:)
I don't have the answers but I somehow feel that the public has been encouraged to be apprehensive by the big guys who are opposed to the plan because it will cut into their huge profits.
I'm willing to try a new marriage rather than let this old one keep bullying us.
I shouldn't have mentioned the Clinton plan at all because honestly I don't remember enough about it to comment on it.
And you are right, nothing is going to please everyone, except maybe free icecream:)
“ I do know what we have now isn't working and we need to try something new.”
“I didn't want to have to leave the country for a liver transplant because the prices here are astronomical and my doctor wouldn't do preliminary tests without my having insurance!
This IS what we have now and it IS disgraceful.”
I agree with both comments 100%
"I think his rush is because he saw what happened when Clinton tried changing the system."
You have to remember that Clinton’s plan was so horrible, her fellow democrats wouldn’t even back her up.
Once the deal is made, we are married to it. I know changes can be made after the marriage but I would like to at least see the Bride before the marriage.
As much as I agree with you, I will have to see “The Plan” before I can agree with it.
One thing is for sure, not everyone is going to happy regardless.
“I didn't want to have to leave the country for a liver transplant because the prices here are astronomical and my doctor wouldn't do preliminary tests without my having insurance!
This IS what we have now and it IS disgraceful.”
I agree with both comments 100%
"I think his rush is because he saw what happened when Clinton tried changing the system."
You have to remember that Clinton’s plan was so horrible, her fellow democrats wouldn’t even back her up.
Once the deal is made, we are married to it. I know changes can be made after the marriage but I would like to at least see the Bride before the marriage.
As much as I agree with you, I will have to see “The Plan” before I can agree with it.
One thing is for sure, not everyone is going to happy regardless.
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