Lloyd Wright (spellcheck)

[pitter]

oops spellcheck..left glasses downstairs...I meant
Lloyd Wright

[rivll]

Thank-you for the bedtime story,witches brew all kinds of neat recipes.
Happy All Hallow's Eve...
LOL!!

[uncledudeness]

I'm not sure about the cure that Lloyd Wright is claiming to have, but I love his architecture...very environmentally friendly....   ;)

[Marcia2202]

:-)

Here we go again... this thread will never die :-(

[orphanedhawk]

Do you always respond to posts from 2009????

[willbb]

However, most of Mr. Wright's recommendations are typically widely
used products and some are used in allopathic medicine, some in alternative medicine. It is
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There is not one documented case of  any alternative supplements  that eradicate HCV from the body.
The salesman you mentioned above has no peer re-viewed data to substantiate these claims.

best...

Will

[Dannyboi7]

Thank-you for the bedtime story,witches brew all kinds of neat recipes.
Happy All Hallow's Eve...kidding aside I'm certain some alternative methods have their merits and some can be damaging.For instance I came across this website dated 10 years an NR with a good reputation was treating her HCV patients with high dosages of vitamin A  and vitamin A also juicing with veggies high in vitamin K.This was the worst you could do to your liver if have significant liver damage.Unless there is compelling evidence done by scientific studies to back up there claims there probably no better then an infomercial trying to sell a new gadget. What's worst  with them is they're selling false hope to the desperate and vulnerable.

[Diana66]

So when you say that you know that healing of hep c can be done are you actually having something to prove it. Personally I did not find anyone in the whole world who was healed using alternative means. And trust me, I researched extensively not to mention that an entire group of friends in different countries searched as well. I am yet to find anyone who can show me a set of labs with before and after showing UND

If you have something different please post it here so we can benefit as well

[midwife1234]

Work in medical field and am also a midwife. Have used medical dr who is also a naturopathic dr. In Texas, not allowed to practice naturopa thy without a m.d. license. Have used herbal, homeopathic, and allopathuc meds in midwifery, as well as at home. I do believe there is merit in alternative medicine. I also know from experience and educational efforts as well, that everyone's body and system is unique and that  one supplement/remedy/herbal that works well may not be the one that works best for you. However, most of Mr. Wright's recommendations are typically widely
used products and some are used in allopathic medicine, some in alternative medicine. It is also true that in medicine or any other field, we know and practice what we know, or what we have been taught. Having said that, the adversity that  medical personnel may receive frim colkeagyes, or the AMA, if they choose to uphold an akternative treatment, may serve as enough of a threat to tge wellbeing of their practice to keep them "on the straight and narrow" in alkiance with their licensing board.  We also must remember that emotional, mental, and soiritual attitude all have an effect on how our bodies respond to treatments. We are similar to diamonds, and have many facets. We are not just a body with body parts and systems. We are much more than that. No, I am not a new-ager, nir a lunatic. I have my feet on solid ground. I do believe in healing, and I know that healing from heoatitis c can be done. I also know that a physician who has what it takes to admit that they do not know everything, that drs. know what they have been taught, and what they learn from experience, instead if pretending to have all the answers, is one great person.  I know two such men. They are compassionate and caring people. So...if they know it all, why so many trials that leave so many without a cure? Why are people needed to be used as lab rats? It is all done out of desperation for an answer. In the name of science, some are damaged beyond repair and some lost along the way. My dr cannot offer treatment for me...the nurse was appalled that I would use alternative treatments without the consent of the dr. Just as I told her, I would be compketely stupid to just be a sitting duck...they can't offer anything but to sit and "wait and watch for the cancer". I don't agree. I believe it is up to me to read, research, abd learn all I can, no matter what is out there, and then take the responsibility to make a decision about hiw to proceed to help myself. Knowing a higher power also helps.
So, please, before making rash statenents that are negative to another's attempts to reach out and offer what they know, for the benefit of others, check yourselves. Looks like you all need to, at least, look beyond what you know. You might find something beneficial.

[dwert56]

I've read the Lloyd Wright posts with curiosity and amazement.  Seems just the mention of his name can really stir up a #$%@ storm!  I don't know if what he sells works or not.  I'm trying to recover from the affects of treatment in 2001, cleared the virus, but am disabled from peg-intron.  No, not the Hep C, I had no clue I had the virus.   An annual physical picked it up.
As far as I'm concerned, the same venom should be directed at the pharmaceutical companies.  They make lots of money of Hep C treatments, don't have good clinical data (delete people from studies who got really sick or died), advertise like crazy, tell you to stay on treatment no matter what.  The doctors who DO NOT inform you the sides may be permanent.  Maybe they do now, but not back in 2001.
I am someone who is desperately trying to find way off the disabled life and back into being able to work and live more fully.
I have been considering trying the NatCel to see if that could help with the brain fog, cognitive dysfunction, etc, etc.  Does anyone have any experience with that?  How can I get the true story regarding if the extracts are worthwhile or not?

[HCA]

Thank you tashka-I have always believed he never had Hep C and it is good to see other people making the same informed conclusion based on the availble evidence.

[tashka]

I read Lloyd Wright's books and visited his web site. Some of the herbs/supplements that he recommends are good for the liver, but by no means can they eradicate the virus like he claims. And his expensive frozen thymus is just a big scam. It is a protein, which is going to be destroyed by digestive enzymes in the stomach and intestines. If it would be possible to take thymus proteins by mouth, interferon and insulin would be administered by mouth (they are also proteins). It is sad that people waste their money on this stuff that makes Lloyd Wright rich.
I don't believe that he has ever had hepatitis C. He was asked multiple times to provide his PCR results-with detected and undetected viral DNA. He always comes up woth ridiculous excuses, for example that evil doctors refuse to release his blood work. Labs and biopsy results that he provides in his book don't prove hepatitis C; such changes can be caused by many other liver diseases.
But I think it is good that his name comes up on this forum, and people can hear the truth about this person and hopefully save their hard earned money.

[passagrille]

oh

[pitter]

I am confused, why did you start this thing then?
for an argument?
or did you chicken out ?
Everyone is different, different things work for different people for different reasons.
No one has THE ANSWER FOR EVERYONE ALL OF THE TIME.
I have not used any thing of lloyds.
And not for any other reason than, I am not yet sure of what is right for me.
And no one will know what that is accept for me, getting my own info, and making my own decisions.
Most people are not stupid.
altho many thinkle peep they are.

[passagrille]

i wasnt really endorsing mr wrights web site, only speaking to the fact the people can get sucked in to claims on the internet.
in their msg to me they had "found the cure" seems a little far fetched, plus she had only just started and had not got her blood work done.
since she is at stage 4, i believe a transplant is in her future.
im not sure how ridding the body of hep c can make your liver go from stage 4 to 3 or 2.

[portann]

Hi HCA,

You speak for me in respect of Lloyd Wright. Thank you.

I really enjoyed reading Mr. Liver's replies in this thread from two years ago, before my time. Quite a brain he has and so articulate.

Hope all is well.

[HCA]

Yeah-helpful to Lloyd Wright!
This man is one of the worst exploiters of the sick that ever lived and I won't tolerate seeing the same anecdotal nonsense appearing here without blasting it.
Lloyd Wright never had hep c,the entire operation is a scam and it grieves me to see that people are posting notices here which describe a placebo effect.

[pitter]

hi passagrille and thank you,
please keep us posted.
Thanks....
(not to start anything up again here anyone,!!! but this obviously can be helpful to someone!!!

[passagrille]

just got this email from a friend...........
dear__________
We found the cure for hep c and it's working out wonderfully! Please check out Lloyd Wright.org. He wrote the book "Triumph Over Hepatitis C". We came across him after the interferon treatment failed with _____. _____ is taking the thymus and liver extracts plus the viral elimination supplements. It's pricey but we feel it's worth it. I've seen a big change in her, she can tolerate the sun and has been working long hours in the yard. We plan to have a blood test in several months to see where shes at. The testamonials were convincing and he has an online pharmacy.

she is stage 4 with her liver

[pitter]

I will be getting a new blood test soon, and I will watch that heart !!! And my BUTT!!! Ha!!
I am sure we will talk again!!
thank you,
Pitter

[Lady Lauri]

  D*M! What a thread!! And trying to read several post over a few times. (I couldn't even keep up with the 'political', much less intense thread yesterday!) Is good to have threads that MAKE my brain work...errr....normal at times right now.
  Interesting thread, about 200 thoughts, questions, comments in my head right now.....not even going to try now tho :}
  I learn so much here!

                                                                       LL

[Mr Liver]

"Watchful waiting" is a fairly common practice, especially for those such as yourself with very little or no damage. Set up regular blood labs (I would want to have 2X a year min.) Most hepatologists will reschedule biopsy for 3-5 years from now. Ironically, you are in an enviable position for someone who has HCV. You can afford to wait to see how many of these new investigational drugs perform over time as opposed to feeling rushed to jump on the first one approved.

You don't need to turn into a diet-conscious fanatic,either. Moderation is always the key. The liver has a job to do and the little damage that you have will not affect its ability to do it just because you eat a greasy cheeseburger now and then. Now, your heart on the other hand.....    ;)

regards,
Mr Liver

[pitter]

Thank you for sharing your hard worked for knowledge (and all of you here as well)
You made me have some hope!!! I am really afraid of the tx. I don't know for sure exactly when I did get  hep c. Could have been 8-9 yrs. or maybe back from dental work 30 yrs ago..or cocaine straws 30 yrs ago..I did not drink any alcohol for 14 yrs,(until 7 yrs ago I started drinking wine) I found out about the hepc Feb.07..during routine blood test for insurance... I am on waiting list with a hepatologist...I want to be monitored regularly...
I haven't done any alternatives accept a little milk thistle. When I first found out, I happened to get onto Lloyd Wrights site... and what he said about the medical treatments  scared me...he said," If you take the Interfuron, you will never be well again"    that was when I first posted here about him??? I got a  mess all going here about that...that is how this thread started...
well I am still coming here, I got a few of his books and read a little...but I am sort of paralized as to what to do...so I am going to wait and watch for awhile...
thank you again.
Pitter

[Willy50]

I'm in substantial agreement with your last post.  I'm not convinced that Lloyd is a charlatan, but as previously mentioned I don't agree with him right down the line.  

I agree that newer treatments hold tremendous potential benefit for us all and that many of us can wait to treat until they are approved.  Some judicious use of alternatives may be done while waiting without great expense or risk.  As Mr Liver mentioned (and as I did in a prior post) you must research them out and you must also monitor your results if you do so.  Diet and lifestyle choices are also of great importance and can be done with little expense or risk, IMHO.  

A link on 3 "botanicals" presented to the AASLD 2007;

http://www.hivandhepatitis.com/2007icr/aasld/docs/120407_b.html

best,
Willy

[Mr Liver]

Hi pitter,

No, I'm not a medico of any sort. Since being diagnosed in 2000 with cirrhosis I have learned quite a bit about livers and HCV, though. Also, I stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night. The "Mr Liver' moniker is for amusement purposes only. And boy, have I ever been amused by it. Most people love it, but It irritates a few which is the part that accounts for my amusement.

I have had the chance to study up on different alternative and conventional HCV tx modalities for years and have read quite alot of the printed word pertaining to HCV. Thymus gland, produced synthetically as Thymosin (zadaxin) has been in numerous trials with interferon over years past in the US.. It showed improved response rates which looked hopeful at first. But then the data showed an extremely high relapse rate. So, it may help to get you to UND but apparently cannot keep the patient from relapsing at rates much higher than seen when it is not used. This stuff has been around the HCV arena for 6-7 years and has not met with success in the treatment of HCV for the several companies who have owned the patent. You can get zadaxin from Mexico if you really want some.

When it comes to the use of alternative and herbal remedies do these things and you will be manyfold safer:
ONLY take or use herbs and other supplements if they have been rigorously tested for purity then used in blinded, pacebo-controlled, trials subject to the critical review of peers who are specialists in the field . If you follow this dictum you should be absolutely safe. It is good to vet these sites by checking them out with Quackwatch, the FTC, and other consumer protection groups.
And personal testimonials cannot be disproved, are easy to create, and are made to sound very convincing. They are a favorite on sites that sell questionable products that can cure everything from a hangnail to a brain tumor and just about anything in between. Take it all with a grain of salt.

As for Lloyd Wright, he is just one of many online charlatans that exist as a result of the lobbying power of the alternative med, vitamin, and supplement  industry. A 30 billion dollar a year industry, I might add. The FDA won't crack down as a result of this lobbying, and regulate this industry. The FTC however can take them down and do so regularly for fraud.

Being stage 0-1 I'm not sure why you are seeking out anything for your liver beyond living a good lifestyle. You have plenty of time to wait for more effective and shorter treatments.Depending upon the appx time of infection it may point toward s tx never being necessary at all in your future. Some people are termed 'slow fibrosers. They will die with HCV not from it.

In a few years, treatment times will be halved  and at the same time SVR rates are expected to rise to an average 65%-%70 overall. G2's and G3's may have SVR rates >85% This is the outlook for just one small molecule drugs out of many in the current pipeline. These numbers are for just one of the many trials underway to find better treatments. I have good info that the interferon doses may be lowered as well in the triple therapy without harming chances for SVR.. This is very good news for those who cannot tolerate SOC more specifically interferon.The shorter the time on these meds the less chance for side effects to be bothersome.

I'm just throwing out some food for thought. I have always advised that treatment should never be undertaken unless it is convincingly found to be both necessary and appropriate.

Remember natural does not mean safe, and always let your doc know if you use any alternative meds.

regards,
Mr Liver