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Using Opiates to get off Suboxone
Saw a thread on this, thinking about trying it, heres my story:
Taking Subs about 6 mths, and Im scared when I think about stopping. Im destroying my life 1 day at a time. I have ruined (am ruining) opportunities that I have created. Dropped out of high school and worked crap jobs until I was 24. Never had an opiate problem. Id messed around with oxys, but not long usage. Ive always had anxiety problems, and self-medicated with klonopins.
I joined the Army as a Signals Intel Analyst. I was in the Army for 6 yrs: 2 yrs MD, 2 yrs Germany, 2 yrs Iraq. Got out of the mil JAN 2012(as a SGT). I was collecting 550$/wk in unemployment. I started to take 30s more. I have a job in IT. I use the GI Bill (pays 2500/mnth untaxed). I spent everything I could get on P30s.
Found subs & have trouble stopping. I've tried to taper, no progress. I wake up in pain like I got kicked in my ribs while I ,slept. I also end up sleeping 10+ hours OFTEN. I have failed out/dropped ALL classes I have taken. Im willing to go to a detox/rehab/whatever. I have a very supportive gf who will help me and support me with the decision I make. Ive never seen a DR for this, & main reason I don’t want to go the DR route is my security clearance. Id never hold a clearance again. That’s a lot of money on the table in future earnings.
I currently work in IT in Downtown Boston in a 9 floor building, & attend NEU, pursuing a B.S. in IT for free. I actually GET PAID 2500/month to go to school.
I wasnt satisfied with what I was doing with my life, so I joined the military for the opportunities. Im pissing away all that I gave 6 years of life for. My future is a cakewalk. I went to war, then I volunteered to go back. That was easy, this is not.
I argue with my GF and we both know Im not me. I sleep all day, put off homework until I dont do it. Ive never had depression problems, but Im past disappointed in myself & feeling sorry for myself, which is depressing.
Taking Subs about 6 mths, and Im scared when I think about stopping. Im destroying my life 1 day at a time. I have ruined (am ruining) opportunities that I have created. Dropped out of high school and worked crap jobs until I was 24. Never had an opiate problem. Id messed around with oxys, but not long usage. Ive always had anxiety problems, and self-medicated with klonopins.
I joined the Army as a Signals Intel Analyst. I was in the Army for 6 yrs: 2 yrs MD, 2 yrs Germany, 2 yrs Iraq. Got out of the mil JAN 2012(as a SGT). I was collecting 550$/wk in unemployment. I started to take 30s more. I have a job in IT. I use the GI Bill (pays 2500/mnth untaxed). I spent everything I could get on P30s.
Found subs & have trouble stopping. I've tried to taper, no progress. I wake up in pain like I got kicked in my ribs while I ,slept. I also end up sleeping 10+ hours OFTEN. I have failed out/dropped ALL classes I have taken. Im willing to go to a detox/rehab/whatever. I have a very supportive gf who will help me and support me with the decision I make. Ive never seen a DR for this, & main reason I don’t want to go the DR route is my security clearance. Id never hold a clearance again. That’s a lot of money on the table in future earnings.
I currently work in IT in Downtown Boston in a 9 floor building, & attend NEU, pursuing a B.S. in IT for free. I actually GET PAID 2500/month to go to school.
I wasnt satisfied with what I was doing with my life, so I joined the military for the opportunities. Im pissing away all that I gave 6 years of life for. My future is a cakewalk. I went to war, then I volunteered to go back. That was easy, this is not.
I argue with my GF and we both know Im not me. I sleep all day, put off homework until I dont do it. Ive never had depression problems, but Im past disappointed in myself & feeling sorry for myself, which is depressing.
You are mixing it up with precipitated withdrawal. That's what happens if you take sub too soon after stopping full agonists, the sub rips off the full agonist from your receptors and binds to them, making you sick as hell.
Wednesday, one week ago, I took the last perc doses. I felt like crap the next day and I did something stupid... I had about 6 mg of Subs left (3/4 of a pill) and I took 2mg a day for the next 3 days. This seems to have kicked back in the desire for Subs. It did get me past the perc w/d, but it was just a god awful decision. I have felt progressively worse each day until today. I woke up at my lowest, but after actually getting out of the house, I started feeling better. Not good per se, but better. I've been clean, completely, for 3 days. I feel like I'm getting better now. Feeling better. I had no energy, motivation or drive for a couple days and felt like I was mentally breaking down. I feel like the worst is past me and it was only a few days. I have a long way to go and expect to feel like crap + sleep issues for a while, but I can feel the improvements.
I can't wait to see how I feel a few days from now... a week... a month.
I appreciate the comments and feedback. It is honestly very helpful.
dmonteiro66,
I wish you the best of luck and will look for your thread (if you started one) FEEL FREE TO FLOOD HERE!!! I will update occasionally, but I think if you and/or others post here it's awesome.
One last thing:
After my experience, I feel like Subs are MUCH WORSE than anything else I have done. the w/d from them feels endless and is so mental that it is likely to drive you mental. If taken for a SHORT TIME IN LOW DOSES I think it is a great way to get through the worst part of opiate w/d, but THAT IS IT! If you take it long term, it is just about indefinite.
GL me. gldmonteiro66. GL anyone else that is trying to improve themselves.
I can't wait to see how I feel a few days from now... a week... a month.
I appreciate the comments and feedback. It is honestly very helpful.
dmonteiro66,
I wish you the best of luck and will look for your thread (if you started one) FEEL FREE TO FLOOD HERE!!! I will update occasionally, but I think if you and/or others post here it's awesome.
One last thing:
After my experience, I feel like Subs are MUCH WORSE than anything else I have done. the w/d from them feels endless and is so mental that it is likely to drive you mental. If taken for a SHORT TIME IN LOW DOSES I think it is a great way to get through the worst part of opiate w/d, but THAT IS IT! If you take it long term, it is just about indefinite.
GL me. gldmonteiro66. GL anyone else that is trying to improve themselves.
click on forums above and on the LEFT side of the page click on addiction:substance and post a question. that starts a new thread
Just thinking back 6 months ago today reminds
Me the hell ive been through, it feels like a roller coaster dream, do research theres lots that may help, Naltroxone is the beat bet, plus i recently found out if cuts out depersonalisation symdrom from paws, you wont feel like
Your self for a while, but naltroxone is the only med i would get on for the first 2 years in recovery, notthinh else
Me the hell ive been through, it feels like a roller coaster dream, do research theres lots that may help, Naltroxone is the beat bet, plus i recently found out if cuts out depersonalisation symdrom from paws, you wont feel like
Your self for a while, but naltroxone is the only med i would get on for the first 2 years in recovery, notthinh else
Hello, Im 26 years old and i have been an addict ever since i can rememeber (cocaine, meth, oxycontins, heroin) as of 5 years ago i stopped using opiates and started on this amazong "wonder" drug called Subutex. Well it helped me get "SOBER" but little did i know that it wuld have a hold on me for the next 5 years just like the other drugs did. Drs just want to make money and dont tell you the damage this drug does. any ways, I have tapered down to about 1mg-2mg a day.NOTHING MORE. And i saved up a month of vacation time so i can start to kick this addiction. my last subutex will me this sunday and Monday will be day 1 of no subutex. I have a plan that includes benzos, restless legs meds, epsom salt baths,hot tubs, saunas, heating blankets, vitamins and juicing. i also want to write on a forum every day to get help and encouragement through my hard time. I am scared ******** and i need as many positive vibes as i can get. I know about the 3 day half life and hw ****** this all supposed to fell, but i also know of people all over acctually quitting cold turkey and managing to pull through. again if anyone has any suggestions or their own story i would love to hear them. i will update everyday. where can i start my own thread?
how do i start my own thread so i dont flood this one? im trying to kick suboxone too :(
Im still using percocet 3 times a day, but started to cut doses. Was at 22.5mg/day, down to 15. I have class on Wednesday, then nothing for 10 days, so I'm going to taper down and stop everything (excpet benzos, which are prescribed). I have noticed my heart beat is faster at night after opiates have worn off. I was having trouble sleeping, but that seems to have stopped. I feel like at this point, subs are out of my system and m body is (again) used to real opiates. I haven't taken high doses, but still expect a withdrawl, so after class on wednesday, I think Ill "get the flu" and ride out some opiate withdrawl.
Sounds so easy when I write it, but it really does suck for the most part. When I take a dose of perc, I feel ok for a few hours. Lately I just want more percs, so it's probably about time to stop.
GL Me!
Sounds so easy when I write it, but it really does suck for the most part. When I take a dose of perc, I feel ok for a few hours. Lately I just want more percs, so it's probably about time to stop.
GL Me!
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To some extent, having it on recored was one of my concern but if your getting suboxone from a doctor its probably already on record unless your not, but that was the least of a true addicts problems. Try see if you can hang in there, suboxone is the easiest thing to taper of off, i was on it long term, it was hell but still easier. I remmember thinking the same thing as you get of opiates then use suboxone to taper of short term, thats pure insanity. I had proffesionals to open my eyes, and guide me through, there really is no short cuts, i didnt sleep for 3 straight nights, i still have sleep disturbances, i did it withoit benzos, which is a good thing because by now i would of been hooked on those, sleep does gadually get better and better tho, get some clonodine, but youl need your heart rate checked, if your blood pressures through the roof take one. There really is no short cuts, treatment would get you better access to meds that easy the withdrawl, and time flyes because your not alone. All the best
To some extent, having it on recored was one of my concern but if your getting suboxone from a doctor its probably already on record unless your not, but that was the least of a true addicts problems. Try see if you can hang in there, suboxone is the easiest thing to taper of off, i was on it long term, it was hell but still easier. I remmember thinking the same thing as you get of opiates then use suboxone to taper of short term, thats pure insanity. I had proffesionals to open my eyes, and guide me through, there really is no short cuts, i didnt sleep for 3 straight nights, i still have sleep disturbances, i did it withoit benzos, which is a good thing because by now i would of been hooked on those, sleep does gadually get better and better tho, get some clonodine, but youl need your heart rate checked, if your blood pressures through the roof take one. There really is no short cuts, treatment would get you better access to meds that easy the withdrawl, and time flyes because your not alone. All the best
I'm around 10 days in and this is better in some ways, worse in others. Last few nights I haven't slept much, and I can't get comfortable. I have Perc 30s and I'm splitting them into quarters. I have been taking 3 of these (22.5 mgs) a day, and 3 days I've taken a 4th piece.
I end up dosing early so I can get through my day feeling normal, and that leads to the trouble sleeping. I should clarify, my GF has the pills and gives me the doses. Seems to be progressively worse, but I think that Subs are out of my system by now. I feel like I'll turn the corner soon and really hope I get to the point were the next dose isn't on my mind 3 hours after taking something.
I am prescribed klonopin and that is very helpful. I have tried xanax and benedryl to sleep with mixed results.
I feel like this is working. If I get to a point where I concede failure, I fully plan on checking into a rehab or detox or whatever. I'm done playing around and flushing money, but my preference is to not have this on record.
I end up dosing early so I can get through my day feeling normal, and that leads to the trouble sleeping. I should clarify, my GF has the pills and gives me the doses. Seems to be progressively worse, but I think that Subs are out of my system by now. I feel like I'll turn the corner soon and really hope I get to the point were the next dose isn't on my mind 3 hours after taking something.
I am prescribed klonopin and that is very helpful. I have tried xanax and benedryl to sleep with mixed results.
I feel like this is working. If I get to a point where I concede failure, I fully plan on checking into a rehab or detox or whatever. I'm done playing around and flushing money, but my preference is to not have this on record.
Id say go to treatment, but its nature to try on yout own, i had to over and over, going from suboxone to oxys is working your addiction backwards, it is easier to come
Of off then fast acting opiates dont forget it
Of off then fast acting opiates dont forget it
I was on high dose of subs for 2.5 years. Moved to another state and had to quit cold turkey. Messed my life up severly. I took vic Odin for about 5 months and then stopped that. I've been off everything now for 5 months and off subs for a year and I'm still struggling with anxiety, panic attacks. Sometimes hard to be around people. The drugs alter your brains chemistry and it's like now your learning how to cope and deal with things all over again. I believe with God and the will to fight it all gets better. Just takes time. Sometimes a long time. But sobriety is better than drugs could ever be. Dealing with the root of why you began to use to begin with makes us stronger and better than we could ever imagine. So you can substitute for a minute just be cautious you don't start the whole cycle over again. You can do it
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Most people find it difficult to come of Suboxone. One of the patients in our clinic, who we had to detox from Suboxone, was so addicted, that no matter how far down she titrated this drug she could not get off. At one point she was literally just licking the 1 mg strip, but she could not give it up. I find that most Suboxone prescribers tend to leave their patients on this drug as a form of maintenance and are either unwilling or unable to taper them off. It is unusual for a doctor to just cut a patient off. Tramadol is not a solution, because it is an opiate substitute and also very difficult to quit.
In case you are curious, it takes us about three to four days to get a patient off of any opiate including Suboxone, and feeling well. You are more than welcome to look at my clinic's website by clicking on my name and then the clinic's logo. Give us a call anytime if you have questions. We have financing options available and everything is completely confidential.
In the meantime see if a doctor can write you a prescription for some Requip for restlessness, Neurontin for anxiety and malaise, some Flexeril or Soma for a few weeks for muscle spasms and maybe some Seroquel low dose, for sleep and Klonopin which will be helpful for sleeplessness and anxiety. It will make withdrawals easier. Valerian and Magnesium is sometimes helpful remedies over the counter.
The residual symptoms of insomnia and depression can last another few months. Thus, it is not easy, but it gets better and better over time and you can look forward to a drug free healthy energetic self in the future. When one takes opiates for a long time like you have, the body's physiology has been altered. The central nervous system has created a multitude of opioid receptors that all are screaming for endorphins (opiates) to fill them, but one's body has now forgotten how to make them by itself. It will take time - two to four weeks at least, for your receptors to down-regulate (for the brain begin to heal) and to start making its own endorphins. Brain heals pretty slowly, so it may take as long as a couple of months to get rid of feelings of sluggishness, restlessness and depression. The best thing to do is take good care of oneself, eat healthy food, stay hydrated, keep active and busy. Stay away from sugar, soda, and simple carbs. Do not consume caffeine at least 6 hours prior to bedtime.
Take a look at my blogs about options for detox and recovery. You may also take a look at my clinic website where I also have my blogs and a lot of other info about drug addiction and recovery. Look especially into the blog and the info on Naltrexone therapy after getting clean. It really improves your chances of staying clean for good by cutting down your physical cravings. Look into my clinic website as well. All this can be done by clicking on my name in blue. Good luck.
In case you are curious, it takes us about three to four days to get a patient off of any opiate including Suboxone, and feeling well. You are more than welcome to look at my clinic's website by clicking on my name and then the clinic's logo. Give us a call anytime if you have questions. We have financing options available and everything is completely confidential.
In the meantime see if a doctor can write you a prescription for some Requip for restlessness, Neurontin for anxiety and malaise, some Flexeril or Soma for a few weeks for muscle spasms and maybe some Seroquel low dose, for sleep and Klonopin which will be helpful for sleeplessness and anxiety. It will make withdrawals easier. Valerian and Magnesium is sometimes helpful remedies over the counter.
The residual symptoms of insomnia and depression can last another few months. Thus, it is not easy, but it gets better and better over time and you can look forward to a drug free healthy energetic self in the future. When one takes opiates for a long time like you have, the body's physiology has been altered. The central nervous system has created a multitude of opioid receptors that all are screaming for endorphins (opiates) to fill them, but one's body has now forgotten how to make them by itself. It will take time - two to four weeks at least, for your receptors to down-regulate (for the brain begin to heal) and to start making its own endorphins. Brain heals pretty slowly, so it may take as long as a couple of months to get rid of feelings of sluggishness, restlessness and depression. The best thing to do is take good care of oneself, eat healthy food, stay hydrated, keep active and busy. Stay away from sugar, soda, and simple carbs. Do not consume caffeine at least 6 hours prior to bedtime.
Take a look at my blogs about options for detox and recovery. You may also take a look at my clinic website where I also have my blogs and a lot of other info about drug addiction and recovery. Look especially into the blog and the info on Naltrexone therapy after getting clean. It really improves your chances of staying clean for good by cutting down your physical cravings. Look into my clinic website as well. All this can be done by clicking on my name in blue. Good luck.
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