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Sir please clarify the post on sep 3 in Jamai journal that OCD pt are I high risk of getting scziophrenia this aim about 20 yrs with moderate OCD managing with self cognitive therapy will I get in future this disease which I was scared for manyyrs is there a timeframe that after diagnosed with OCD pt get scziophrenia please help iam sleepless
I think you are losing sleep over nothing. I looked around for the post you mentioned and even looked for research on the correlation between OCD and schizophrenia, and I didn't find anything that you mentioned.
Talk to your psychiatrist or therapist about the anxiety you have that you will develop schizophrenia in the future, if you've been worried about it for awhile. There is no certainty that you would get schozophrenia. I know people who have severe OCD for decades, which gets out of hand occasionally, and they have many fears and anxieties, but developing schozhrenia isn't one of them, and I certainly won't bring it up to them so they would obsess on it. I also know people who have shizophrenia, and they don't have OCD.
Why do you think you would develop schizophrenia? What exactly does this post say and to what study is it referring to? There are a lot of people out there woth all kinds of opinions, but it doesn't necessarily mean that it's backed up with fact. If it was a significant study, I would think it would leave a bigger footprint to track down for the psychiatric community to read up on it.
Talk to your psychiatrist or therapist about the anxiety you have that you will develop schizophrenia in the future, if you've been worried about it for awhile. There is no certainty that you would get schozophrenia. I know people who have severe OCD for decades, which gets out of hand occasionally, and they have many fears and anxieties, but developing schozhrenia isn't one of them, and I certainly won't bring it up to them so they would obsess on it. I also know people who have shizophrenia, and they don't have OCD.
Why do you think you would develop schizophrenia? What exactly does this post say and to what study is it referring to? There are a lot of people out there woth all kinds of opinions, but it doesn't necessarily mean that it's backed up with fact. If it was a significant study, I would think it would leave a bigger footprint to track down for the psychiatric community to read up on it.
Please forgive the typos. I didn't catch them. I misspelled schizophrenia a couple of times. "Woth" is actually "with."
Whoever you are working with in cognitive behavior therapy would be a good person to work on this fear so it doesn't affect you too much. It sounds like you are working on managing your ocd and you mentioned it is moderate, and it sounds like you are able to function and are not disabled by it. Those are big accomplishments and I think it is great that you can manage your disorder with CBT. If you are doing CBT by yourself and it is working for you, that says a lot about your capabilities. I think you just got off centered with this fear. Work it through, and I think you can see what is conjecture and opinion and what is fact.
Whoever you are working with in cognitive behavior therapy would be a good person to work on this fear so it doesn't affect you too much. It sounds like you are working on managing your ocd and you mentioned it is moderate, and it sounds like you are able to function and are not disabled by it. Those are big accomplishments and I think it is great that you can manage your disorder with CBT. If you are doing CBT by yourself and it is working for you, that says a lot about your capabilities. I think you just got off centered with this fear. Work it through, and I think you can see what is conjecture and opinion and what is fact.
I saw the studies you are referring to that you googled. You misinterpreted them. They are studies that look at OCD symptoms who have schizophrenia and even bipolar disorder. i have bipolar disorder and I had ocd symptoms for awhile. They talk about the incidence of co-occurence of schizophrenia with ocd. It is studied by the same group of researchers. There is no mention of one causing the other or predisposing one to the other.
If you look them over, you will see what the publications are are actually saying. You also should look at the population they are sampling.
If you look them over, you will see what the publications are are actually saying. You also should look at the population they are sampling.
Sir thank you for your post I am bit rleaved please see mentalhelp.net Jama journal posted on sep 3. It has given as high risk for OCD 3! In a study please say wheat her it is reliable study and please say whether you are a therapist and give your suggestion
Hi. I looked at the article that you are referring to on mentalhealth.net. Thank you for the reference. I can see why you are anxious and alarmed about it, but I think I will point some things out.
First, the leading title says, "People with OCD MAY Have Higher Odds for Schizophrenia. The key word is "May" which is not a definite conclusion. If they had omitted the word "May," that means the researcher is absolutely certain that the results are undeniably true. So, it isn't absolute fact. That word is repeated throughout the article in connection with the findings.It is also a lay article written about a research study that looked at records of patients with schizophrenia from 2006 to 2012.
The researchers didn't actually look at live patients on site. They took their information from records...historically. It doesn't say where the patients are coming from or how many countries are involved or what the countries are. So, they are depending that those records are accurate and that the diagnoses are correct and the doctors are reliable.
Second, the second paragraph reads: "Still, the findings shouldn't cause undue worry in people with OCD, one expert said."
One doctor, who I don't know is a PhD or an MD, but I am assuming he is a researcher too in the field, said that only 1 % of the general population is diagnoses with schizophrenia, and in that population with schizophrenia, only 2 percent already had the diagnosis of OCD. Now, it is unclear in that statement from that doctor, if that population he of schizophrenics with OCD were first diagnosed with OCD and then, diagnosed with schizophrenia, or they were found to have OCD and schizophrenia at the same time, and those are only 2 questions I have that I am typing up regarding OCD in the schizophrenic population he is referring. It is also an opinion from one person, that one doctor the reporter interviewed. The researchers who actually did the study sampled 16,200 patient records of people with schizophrenia. It is unclear if it is a general population of schizophrenics or a total population of schizophrenics with OCD.
Again, the article says midpoint,: "But even with this doubled risk, it would be alarmist to suggest that a person with OCD has a high chance of developing schizophrenia," said Manevitz, a clinical psychiatrist at Lenox Hill Hospital in New York City. "In fact, that risk remains small."
Third, there is the word "suggest" in the next sentence that is a quote from the actual researchers. Again, not definitive and not conclusive. The quote reads: "The data suggests that a prior diagnosis of OCD is associated with an increased risk of schizophrenia later in life. The researchers also found that children of parents diagnosed with OCD were at increased risk for schizophrenia." The article goes on: "Further research is needed to disentangle which genetic and environmental risk factors are truly common to OCD and schizophrenia," the study authors concluded.
The article goes on throwing more questions about the study: "At least some of the association may have been a result of misdiagnosis in patients before they developed more specific symptoms of schizophrenia," said Dr. Aaron Pinkhasov, chairman of the department of behavioral health at Winthrop University Hospital in Mineola, N.Y.
"Notably, the study only looks at patients who have come in contact with a psychiatric hospital," he said. "As the majority of mild and moderate OCD patients are treated by general practitioners in an outpatient setting, it makes it difficult to apply these findings to all patients suffering from OCD. Hence, the risk may in fact be somewhat overestimated."
I am taking direct quotes and exact wording from that September 3 article you read from Mentalhealth.net. There is nothing in that article that says the research findings are absolutely conclusive and fact. Even the researchers said their findings suggest and indicate there needs to be more research in that area, and they don't say that they are absolutely certain that people having OCD are going to develop schizophrenia in the end.
No, I am not a therapist. I have been involved in research on different levels at one time of another, including being consenting subject to actual researcher, and a lot of my education and my friends and associates are still in that role. I developed a habit of questioning, digging further, and looking at and considering the total picture. I also consider and discern the source, how it is reported, and how the information was given, taken or conceived. It also includes variables that people disclosed and considered.
I guess one of my mottos is "Convince me." However, I also like a good story or phrase, even if it ridiculously suspended in air but incredibly entertaining or provokes me to think further. The most important thing to me is to keep an open mind, see the possibilities and allow myself to think about things.
I think your anxiety narrowed your reading vision when you read it. you had mentioned in the post that you have always been afraid that you will develop schizophrenia, and I think when you read the article, even a couple of times, you locked on to that. i think it is a good thing you did giving reference to the article and then asking another person to look into it. I have done the same thing myself. When I am upset or as I read something that, at some point, triggers me to be upset or anxious, or if I am distracted, I can misinterpret what I am reading if I get emotional and don't give full focus and attention with detachment or distance. When I read a research paper or just an article reporting facts, I usually come up with questions and a lot of things pop up in my mind.
In the schizophrenia forum, you had mentioned your OCD is usually managed well except for occasional spikes. I think this is one of those spikes, but my guess is that it is easily managed since it originates from something you read. From the article and from a lot of questions it poses, it doesn't sound like schizophrenia is definitely going into your future. Even the researchers said environmental and genetic factors have to be explored, researched on and determined. I seriously doubt you know that your DNA includes a telling OCD and Schizophrenia marker.
Again, think about what I have said. Ask your psychiatrist and therapist about the article. Give them a call. It looks like you can even direct your anxieties and questions to mentalhealth.net because they have a "contact us" button that addresses concerns from it's readers. From the way the article was written, it appears they anticipated anxiety would be provoked from the ocd community. It's okay if you have qualms about what I am saying or want to explore further until you feel more at ease. Getting answers to questions are okay, but the anxiety needs to be lessened a bit so you can see and hear what is being said. A little to moderate anxiety is great for focusing, but a whole lot of anxiety that disrupts isn't so great and can cloud the vision.
First, the leading title says, "People with OCD MAY Have Higher Odds for Schizophrenia. The key word is "May" which is not a definite conclusion. If they had omitted the word "May," that means the researcher is absolutely certain that the results are undeniably true. So, it isn't absolute fact. That word is repeated throughout the article in connection with the findings.It is also a lay article written about a research study that looked at records of patients with schizophrenia from 2006 to 2012.
The researchers didn't actually look at live patients on site. They took their information from records...historically. It doesn't say where the patients are coming from or how many countries are involved or what the countries are. So, they are depending that those records are accurate and that the diagnoses are correct and the doctors are reliable.
Second, the second paragraph reads: "Still, the findings shouldn't cause undue worry in people with OCD, one expert said."
One doctor, who I don't know is a PhD or an MD, but I am assuming he is a researcher too in the field, said that only 1 % of the general population is diagnoses with schizophrenia, and in that population with schizophrenia, only 2 percent already had the diagnosis of OCD. Now, it is unclear in that statement from that doctor, if that population he of schizophrenics with OCD were first diagnosed with OCD and then, diagnosed with schizophrenia, or they were found to have OCD and schizophrenia at the same time, and those are only 2 questions I have that I am typing up regarding OCD in the schizophrenic population he is referring. It is also an opinion from one person, that one doctor the reporter interviewed. The researchers who actually did the study sampled 16,200 patient records of people with schizophrenia. It is unclear if it is a general population of schizophrenics or a total population of schizophrenics with OCD.
Again, the article says midpoint,: "But even with this doubled risk, it would be alarmist to suggest that a person with OCD has a high chance of developing schizophrenia," said Manevitz, a clinical psychiatrist at Lenox Hill Hospital in New York City. "In fact, that risk remains small."
Third, there is the word "suggest" in the next sentence that is a quote from the actual researchers. Again, not definitive and not conclusive. The quote reads: "The data suggests that a prior diagnosis of OCD is associated with an increased risk of schizophrenia later in life. The researchers also found that children of parents diagnosed with OCD were at increased risk for schizophrenia." The article goes on: "Further research is needed to disentangle which genetic and environmental risk factors are truly common to OCD and schizophrenia," the study authors concluded.
The article goes on throwing more questions about the study: "At least some of the association may have been a result of misdiagnosis in patients before they developed more specific symptoms of schizophrenia," said Dr. Aaron Pinkhasov, chairman of the department of behavioral health at Winthrop University Hospital in Mineola, N.Y.
"Notably, the study only looks at patients who have come in contact with a psychiatric hospital," he said. "As the majority of mild and moderate OCD patients are treated by general practitioners in an outpatient setting, it makes it difficult to apply these findings to all patients suffering from OCD. Hence, the risk may in fact be somewhat overestimated."
I am taking direct quotes and exact wording from that September 3 article you read from Mentalhealth.net. There is nothing in that article that says the research findings are absolutely conclusive and fact. Even the researchers said their findings suggest and indicate there needs to be more research in that area, and they don't say that they are absolutely certain that people having OCD are going to develop schizophrenia in the end.
No, I am not a therapist. I have been involved in research on different levels at one time of another, including being consenting subject to actual researcher, and a lot of my education and my friends and associates are still in that role. I developed a habit of questioning, digging further, and looking at and considering the total picture. I also consider and discern the source, how it is reported, and how the information was given, taken or conceived. It also includes variables that people disclosed and considered.
I guess one of my mottos is "Convince me." However, I also like a good story or phrase, even if it ridiculously suspended in air but incredibly entertaining or provokes me to think further. The most important thing to me is to keep an open mind, see the possibilities and allow myself to think about things.
I think your anxiety narrowed your reading vision when you read it. you had mentioned in the post that you have always been afraid that you will develop schizophrenia, and I think when you read the article, even a couple of times, you locked on to that. i think it is a good thing you did giving reference to the article and then asking another person to look into it. I have done the same thing myself. When I am upset or as I read something that, at some point, triggers me to be upset or anxious, or if I am distracted, I can misinterpret what I am reading if I get emotional and don't give full focus and attention with detachment or distance. When I read a research paper or just an article reporting facts, I usually come up with questions and a lot of things pop up in my mind.
In the schizophrenia forum, you had mentioned your OCD is usually managed well except for occasional spikes. I think this is one of those spikes, but my guess is that it is easily managed since it originates from something you read. From the article and from a lot of questions it poses, it doesn't sound like schizophrenia is definitely going into your future. Even the researchers said environmental and genetic factors have to be explored, researched on and determined. I seriously doubt you know that your DNA includes a telling OCD and Schizophrenia marker.
Again, think about what I have said. Ask your psychiatrist and therapist about the article. Give them a call. It looks like you can even direct your anxieties and questions to mentalhealth.net because they have a "contact us" button that addresses concerns from it's readers. From the way the article was written, it appears they anticipated anxiety would be provoked from the ocd community. It's okay if you have qualms about what I am saying or want to explore further until you feel more at ease. Getting answers to questions are okay, but the anxiety needs to be lessened a bit so you can see and hear what is being said. A little to moderate anxiety is great for focusing, but a whole lot of anxiety that disrupts isn't so great and can cloud the vision.
I have to add this, because I don't want you to get confused with my long response. The bottom line of what I am saying to you is "Don't worry about it,"
It is one study and throughout the article it keeps repeating that the chances, if there are any chances, are incredibly small. I think the title was made to carch attention and alarm, and it did. The article disarmed the title.
It is one study and throughout the article it keeps repeating that the chances, if there are any chances, are incredibly small. I think the title was made to carch attention and alarm, and it did. The article disarmed the title.
Again, I caught a glaring error in my response that may confuse. It is mentalhelp.net where I found the article you referenced, and it is from that site that I took the exact wording and quotes from the article that distressed you.
Sir thank you for your comment I amok now I from my heart thank you for giving me your valuable time in convincing me please keep me informed if possible any positive point regarding my fear my web is jaya.***@****
Thank you, but I am just glad you are at ease now, and no longer distressed. I wish you happness and good health. It is best not to give personal contact on a public forum, and that is why, someone, thankfully, blocker your info out. If I find anything positive and useful for you, I can contact you through your medhelp messaging. Be safe and take good care of yourself:)
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