My Daddy is seeing grid patterns and honeycomb patterns

[ridewine]

My Daddy has glaucoma which has been managed for 50 + years. He has had surgeries for cataracts, glaucoma, etc.
He is 83 years old.

He is now seeing grids when he looks at things. They go from grids to honeycombs shape. He has talked to his opthamologist, family doctor, neurologist, no ones has ever heard of this problem. They tell him they will do some research but they have no answer.
PLEASE has anyone ever had these symptons? PLEASE!!!

Thank you very much.       Joanne

[John C Hagan III, MD, FACS, FAAO]

See a neuroophthalmologist. Find one a t www.aao.org

JCH MD

[Imgems]

I just had this visual experience for 3 days. Just before waking up, I see on white surfaces this beautiful honeycomb pattern in gold yellow. With a slight darker area in the middle of them like little nucleases of the cell.
After a couple of seconds it goes away. This is a new symptom but I suffer from oculair migraines and migraines. I have a lot of floaters in my left eye and went twice in two years to an eye surgeon/doctor. There I got some drops in my eye to make my pupil bigger and they couldn’t find anything wrong, only some floaters. These floaters are still not gone.
I had a MRI for my migraines and they couldn’t see anything wrong.

In the response read above from 2012 onward I can see a pattern in symptoms and no diseases at all but also some responses where attached to retina detachment. I know that if you see a lot of floaters all of a sudden it can be a retina detachment. If the eye doctor can’t see any detachment, what is this honeycomb visual symptom coming from?

[John C Hagan III, MD, FACS, FAAO]

There are many posts on this website like this where people wake up and for a very short period of time see spots, dots, patterns in their vision that fade quickly and who have had numerous normal eye exams.  Eye pathology does not usually act like that which causes dots, spots, patterns that persist or are permanent.  Most generallty the explanation, which has been reviewed numerous times before, is that the retina has three systems for ambient light   1. photopic for bright light  2. mesopic for twilight/low light and 3. scotopic for night vision.      The retina has many types of cells but the most important are the rods that are in the peripheral retina, are wired in networks and provide most of dark vision and the macula has cones which have color vision, fine reading vision, and do not see well in the dark.   After a long sleep both sets are in scotopic vision, when the eyes come open and light enters the rods and cones wake up at different rates accounting for the center of vision looking different.  The size, shape and conent of this central spot varies. The honecomb pattern can be due the vertical structure of the cones and the fact each cone is individually inervated. If you have had a full exam by an Eye MD including an macular OCT, Amsler grid test and visual field and nothing changes I would stop worrying about it unless something else develops.

[ennisat]

My fiancee is seeing the same thing. She is just 51. She just went to the Neurologist and they did an MRI/MRA. They want to do a Spinaltap to rule out MS. I have looked it up and it is a symptom of MS. I am not saying that this is what it is but I would get him checked out soon.

[John C Hagan III, MD, FACS, FAAO]

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[AnthonyA]

I've been seeing multi colored grid lines upon waking from sleep for the past several months. The lines usually alternate between red, blue and yellow and can be either very, very dull or very prominent. Yesterday morning they were the most pronounced I've ever seen them while this morning they were almost impossible to see. The lines typically fade away within 5 minutes of waking up.

My eye exams come up clean and so my opthamologist feels its related either to anxiety or depression. The problem is I'm not even remotely depressed and when I see the grids I'm waking from a dead sleep so anxiety seems like an odd fit. Even still my treatment is at a dead end until I either seek mental help or self diagnose. I've had too many tests and seen too many physicians.

All that said here's my personal theories (which, in all fairness, I should mention not a single physician agreed with):

1. It's possibly related to sleep depravation or a sleep disorder. I have a wide array of visual problems (dry eyes, flashing lights, halos, flickering, etc) and the severity of these problems varies widely. What I've found is that taking naps during the day (schedule permitting) and forcing myself to sleep longer hours seems to temporarily lessen the symptoms. Conversely my symptoms are most pronounced in the middle of the night when I'm woken up form a dead sleep.

2. There could be an inflammation component. If I experience the symptoms during the day and take an anti-inflammatory medication the symptoms will temporarily diminish. I'm certain that my opthamologist feels this is a psychosomatic reaction but I also suffer from arthritis and my eyes do have a continuous dull aching pain.

Of course you can't simply discount depression or anxiety (the favorite diagnoses of physicians everywhere) as they could legitimately play a significant role here. I'm just not yet convinced they are the root of my problem so I'm trying to give you some feedback from my own personal perspective.

[celticangel]

Look beyond a physical/medical reason for this and realize that your father is seeing one of the geometric organizers of the Universe.  Yay for him and all others seeing this.  I see it also as do some of my friends on occasion.  We're all good!  Have a great day!

[Scoopscoop]

The crowd will not understand, as they are lost. They perceive the awakened as crazy

[John C Hagan III, MD, FACS, FAAO]

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[1and1awakening]

I know this post is a little old but I have been seeing these grids for 3 years ever since I went tot he 5th dimension and came back through innocence to the 3rd.  One grid specific kept coming and for the longest time I didn’t understand what it was until one day the answer was shown to me it was a flat open 2d image of the icosahedron.  I see green, red blue, yellow and orange grids upon waking for a moment.  Recently I seen one and it was black it felt off and wrong and a little scary.   The last one I seen wasabi week I’ve never seen this pattern before but it was neon orange or burning orange it covered my entire ceiling and it was loops exactly like the oven the metal elements.  The only way I can describe what these grids look like is a spiders web floating between two trees but with colour and are more grid like.  What does it mean ?

[realtywayne]

You people are Nutters!  This woman's father has a real medical condition called Charles Bonnet Syndrome.  She is asking for help and you are vomiting out metaphysical garbage!  Bad karma is yours.

[NickySoup1]

I don't know if this thread is still open, but I saw a perfect rectangular grid pattern floating in front of me after I shut off my cable TV.  I could still see it on the ceiling above me when lying in bed.  The next morning, I woke up with a retina detachment.  I drew the grid pattern on a piece of paper for my eye surgeon and he said he doesn't know what I saw and that most people see random patterns, not perfect grids.  Could this have something to do with cable TV's broadcast?

[Hw9]

I saw grid also,  went and had eyes checked said they were fine.  Within months i had a retinal detachment i saw grid pattern especially in Sun light.

[JohnHaganMD]

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[Ally8002]

I've been working with a healer as an apprentice for many years, and as I work on myself and meditate daily, new experiences seem to happen. For example, after each meditation session, I see a yellow honeycomb grid (looks like geometric shapes and disappears after 1 minute or so) all over my room. When I meditate deeply, it's always brighter.  I also see a rectangle grid sometimes upon waking from sleep. When I meditate, I sometimes see faces (not scary, but have been told they are faces of my guides). While it may sound crazy, I know I'm not crazy, ill, or have problems with my eyes. I think it's very good to look beyond the physical for the reasons behind what you are experiencing. I've been told that the honeycomb grid is a healing grid. It may not be the case, but it sure feels much better to get a message of hope versus fear. Good luck...

[tl9morgan]

I know this is very old but I ask for you to please respond if you have any information or someone I can contact in relation too the yellow honeycomb grid. I am seeing it all through the day and have trouble finding any information as to why this is happening to me. I am awake and spiritual also :)

[JohnHaganMD]

The recommendation would be to start by seen a neuro-ophthalmologist.

[ReyRey29]

Just bought a pyramid kit (copper pipes) big enough to sleep under.  Tried it for two days, and before waking up (eyes closed), saw a honeycomb grid over the blackness.  Will investigate further.

[JohnHaganMD]

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[1and1awakening]

I know this post is a little old but I have been seeing these grids for 3 years ever since I went tot he 5th dimension and came back through innocence to the 3rd.  One grid specific kept coming and for the longest time I didn’t understand what it was until one day the answer was shown to me it was a flat open 2d image of the icosahedron.  I see green, red blue, yellow and orange grids upon waking for a moment.  Recently I seen one and it was black it felt off and wrong and a little scary.   The last one I seen wasabi week I’ve never seen this pattern before but it was neon orange or burning orange it covered my entire ceiling and it was loops exactly like the oven the metal elements.  The only way I can describe what these grids look like is a spiders web floating between two trees but with colour and are more grid like.  What does this mean?

[realtywayne]

See Charles Bonnet Syndrome

[John C Hagan III, MD, FACS, FAAO]

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[gordiehau]

I've been seeing the yellow honeycomb grid a few times a week for the past two months.

It always happens immediately after a snooze at my computer while I face a white background on my monitor. The grid usually disappears after two or three seconds, ten seconds at most.

So I had my eyes checked by an eye doctor. Nothing wrong detected. Next I had an MRI test on my brain by a brain specialist. The verdict? Nothing wrong detected so far.

[Kebber10]

Yes me too.. just now - I've been trying to read a wiki article on my mac and dozing off (that after lunch dozing off kind of sleep).. and just before I wake up I see a hexagon pattern - wine coloured lines on a white background and possibly also on a yellow background.. I've also experienced seeing geometrical patterns whilst coming out of snoozes on the train at the end of the working day.. the common thing is that I'm dozing off in front of the pc/mac..

[Kebber10]

Yes me too.. just now - I've been trying to read a wiki article on my mac and dozing off (that after lunch dozing off kind of sleep).. and just before I wake up I see a hexagon pattern - wine coloured lines on a white background and possibly also on a yellow background.. I've also experienced seeing geometrical patterns whilst coming out of snoozes on the train at the end of the working day.. the common thing is that I'm dozing off in front of the pc/mac..

[JohnHaganMD]

If you only see them for a short period of time on awakening, snoozing, keeping your eyes closed or when looking away from a electronic screen they rarely are a sign of anything serious and are due to the different light systems (dark-twilight-bright light) shifting.

[kathryn241]

I had a dilated eye exam with extreme bright lights. Doc said all is well. Ever since, upon awakening, I see dark red spots that cover what I seein front of me me. As soon as light hits my eye, the red fades and then goes away until the next morning. What is that?

[SpeedSki]

even with my eyes closed i see a dull yellow honeycomb shape.  it's in a fixed position, never moves.  obviously cannot tell which eye it emanates from as can see it when eyes are closed or open.  it first appeared 6 months ago after i saw bright white flashing streaks of light for about a week, which went away and left behind the honeycomb shape.  which slightly distorts my ability to see and read.  It is always there and always looks the same.  It doesn’t change shape or color.

went to an ophthalmologists for a dilated eye exam and she said possible minor fluid detachment (or something to that effect), which is normal for my age and it is nothing major to be concerned with.  i'm not satisfied with that answer and want to know if there is a solution.

had a regular eye exam and doc said it's probably brain related.

I’ve had vitreous floaters for 20 years now.  age 48.

[MosheM]

It has been a year since you post your feeling about the Honeycomb pattern and I’m curious to know if you diagnosed for the reason to that?  I myself have the same symptom for months now, I did MRI/MRA, visit neurologic,  Ent  doctor and few eye doctors,  but  all came negative, please let me know  if you have any news to share so I can direct my effort.

[Muckquomp]

Just had rectangular and square images, that were lit up with fairly thin lines this morning.  The thin lines would  Lean with my head. In other words, all of the vertical lines stay parallel, and when I tilt my head, all these lines Tilt Too!    Celticangle said may be the universe's "Matrix" (I paraphrase here).  It is Feb 2015.  What are the conclusions from you all seeing this Grid?

[Speckinspace]

These patterns are you seeing past normal life, to a regulated, unembodied dimension. This is seen as a whole, each shape fitting perfectly into the next(usually hexagons/honeycombs). Each shape represents one soul in complete perception of its OWN existence. This energy/light is pressed outwardly, creating geometric shapes to fill up all the space, while simultaneously taking up NO space(these people, animals, etc don't have bodies.)This pattern is endless and can/ does morph. This is not a vision problem, and is more easily (or involuntarily) percieved by people who have been closer to death or have/had a threatening to their conscious(ness).This is because they have been closer to "being" without a body. It shows how life all fits together (literally) while simultaneously being separate and individualistic.

[1and1awakening]

I know this post is a little old but I have been seeing these grids for 3 years ever since I went tot he 5th dimension and came back through innocence to the 3rd.  One grid specific kept coming and for the longest time I didn’t understand what it was until one day the answer was shown to me it was a flat open 2d image of the icosahedron.  I see green, red blue, yellow and orange grids upon waking for a moment.  Recently I seen one and it was black it felt off and wrong and a little scary.   The last one I seen wasabi week I’ve never seen this pattern before but it was neon orange or burning orange it covered my entire ceiling and it was loops exactly like the oven the metal elements.  The only way I can describe what these grids look like is a spiders web floating between two trees but with colour and are more grid like.  Why do I keep seeing these?

[1and1awakening]

I know this post is a little old but I have been seeing these grids for 3 years ever since I went tot he 5th dimension and came back through innocence to the 3rd.  One grid specific kept coming and for the longest time I didn’t understand what it was until one day the answer was shown to me it was a flat open 2d image of the icosahedron.  I see green, red blue, yellow and orange grids upon waking for a moment.  Recently I seen one and it was black it felt off and wrong and a little scary.   The last one I seen wasabi week I’ve never seen this pattern before but it was neon orange or burning orange it covered my entire ceiling and it was loops exactly like the oven the metal elements.  The only way I can describe what these grids look like is a spiders web floating between two trees but with colour and are more grid like.  Why do I keep seeing these?

[John C Hagan III, MD, FACS, FAAO]

Given you have had these 3 years and now new symptoms or bad disease has developed it is not likely a progressive disease. If you want to fully work it up see an Eye MD ophthalmologist for a complete medical eye exam with dilation of pupils, amsler grid test and macular and nerve fiber lawyer OCT. If all is normal don't worry unless new symptoms develop or present symptoms worsen

[jswimmer]

This is most precise description of what I have seen. Thank you! Do you by chance know of any formal name for this? Anything available to read further on what you described?

[JohnHaganMD]

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[NikkiFinn87]

You know the same exact thing happened to me. The whole ceiling was a grid after I took my eyes off my iPad. But it stayed there after blinking for a while. I will book mark you if I get any answers I will send them your way.

[JohnHaganMD]

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[Rich2015me]

This is the closest thing i have seen to what i have.
When i close my eyes i can see what appears to be a honeycomb shape and it's moving from top left to bottom right.
It's always there and i can notice it most with eyes closed but it  gives a discomfort when looking at things as it's present as like an overlay to what i am seeing.

I had something like this when i was 19 and did eye tests to show eyes were fine and it either went away or my brain got used to it, it was always there but i found out not long ago i needed glasses so my vision was blurred but since then i had asthma return so the Doctor gave me Prednisolone which brought back these symptoms which i experienced when i was 19, i am 28 now.
I went back to the opticians who say my eyes were fine but i needed glasses as mentioned but i've got that vision effect  and it's uncomfortable.

It's like what i am seeing has something moving on top of it and when i close my eyes it's like a honeycomb grip moving as i said, but it's moving on top of what i am seeing.
When I was 19 I did have an insurmountable amount of stress which could be why i had it as it just appeared when i woke up one morning, and i don't know if my brain got used to it or if it dimmed down but i was able to see minus the blur but now i can see perfect with glasses but that effect is there.
I am scared to be honest and will go to the Doctors tomorrow but last time the Doctor just said it was one of them things.

[JohnHaganMD]

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[MagentaMSI]

I have menieres and congenital hypothyroidism and I get this if I take a sedative (benadryl or Dramamine) before bed, read on a lot screen before bed and am slightly sleep deprived.  Personally, for me it's a spyrograph type pattern (like you used to play with as a kid), it's black always and it moves.  Since sedatives cause dizziness, and the over abundance of fluid in my ears (menieres), I think that my brain can't make sense of where I am in the heavy sedative induced sleep and wakes me up to.  Just my theory, with the over abundance  of fluid in my ears, if the eyes aren't open I get dizzy and my brain can't make sense of it without vision, and the sedatives cause dizziness which makes that worse.  So I think that's when my brain wakes me up (from a dead sleep, and only if I'm laying on my back).  It's dumb, but is he laying on his back when he sees it?  Does he take any meds that cause dizziness? Lots do.  Does he look at a screen for a while in the dark before bed?  These are all triggers for me with this.  It lasts for 5 minutes and goes away, the only nuisance is being woken from a dead sleep.  I usually fall back with no problems though.

[JohnHaganMD]

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[islandgirl1947]

I am on the computer almost all day everyday, and now I noticed that I see a honeycomb pattern when I look at a plain space or solid surface, it's faint and not very bright, its there all the time and is stationary, but my eye exams have all been fine.
Can looking at a computer screen almost constantly cause you to see a honeycomb pattern?

[JohnHaganMD]

You are probably aware of the computer after-image. Use Wikipedia and read about visual after-images. Think about having a flash picture taken of you then close your eyes and being able to see the image of the flash.  Computers do not damage the eye (they can tire them or make them uncomfortable). You can try looking away from your screen about every 10 minutes focus on something far away and blink 5-6 times. This also makes the eye more comfortable (like stretching at a ballgame)

JCHMD

[islandgirl1947]

Can this computer after image last for a long time?

[JohnHaganMD]

Most after images fade within sixty seconds or less.  JCH MD