White see-through haze in both eyes when I move them. Advice please!

[Cloudburster]

35 male. This suddenly occurred 6 weeks ago while I was teaching my students in class. It definitely is a new thing.

Hard to explain, but it happens when I move my eyes left to right along with looking at something bright in the background.  As with my classroom with the bright windows in the background. Students in front of the window are quite dull indeed. But can occur in front of a bright laptop or watching TV too.

Depending on the brightness of the background, this white haze takes up 50% of my vision and flashes across in the OPPOSITE direction to the movement of my eyes. It does mimic floaters in the fact that they appear to keep moving for a millisecond longer after I stop moving my eyes. But they disappear a millisecond after I stop moving my eyes. They never block my vision as they disappear! Its more of one big haze in each eye. Not many smaller ones.

This began at a time where I was getting strange pressure headaches and some stress too. Occurred a week after a CT scan for the sinuses (all normal) and a week of anti-biotic usage and steroid nasal spray for suspected ear infection (ENT later found no problems with my ears). So I had an MRI of the head, all normal. Then I had my eyes checked by an optometrist. Initially without dilation, then the following week with dilation which included retinal photography and "puff test" of the eye for glaucoma.

Results all normal.

Still noticing this, another optometrist recently conducted a test with an OCT scanner. All normal.

I just came back from a skiing holiday and noticed the more usual floater symptoms (although ones I have never seen before) of BLACK squiggly lines and blotches in vision when looking at the snow.

Other possibly non related symptoms are dry eyes, noticeable blood vessels moving in towards the iris from all sides of the sclera. Random sandy feeling in eyes which at times appear to come from one of these blood vessels. Tender temples (although better recently) and muscle tightness in neck and under chin. Severe tinnitus!

Recent other tests: blood work including C-Reactive Protein and a Liver function test. Normal.

Thanks for reading my crazy rantings! Its just I have never heard of anyone discuss such floaters. Usually only small defined shaped ones. Advice would be appreciated.

[Cloudburster]

Ah you should be a doctor Trapper!

Yes the tinnitus is a weird one. Due to the virus no one could find? Or TMJ? Who knows.

I have been checked TMJ. The jury is still out on that one. I don't have the pain in the jaw associated with it but I do have bad clicking. One doc thinks I have it but my dentist disagrees. I have a referral to one of the best TMJ specialists in my area, but as yet I have not made the appointment.

I also have been checked by a chiro. Nothing major there but I stopped going to him as I wasn't feeling good from his neck crunches. Felt more dizzy!

Both not life threatening, so...

[TrapperV]

"Ah you should be a doctor Trapper! "

Well, thanks - I guess.

I've just done a lot of reading on the subject. I'm a technician in a different field, and it's in my nature to dig into problems that interest me, and I've been down the same road as you looking for answers to similar problems. Your symptoms sound so much like things I've been investigating over the past few years. I drive some of my doctor's half crazy with my theories and questions, I bet.

I researched the connection I just happened to piece together between 2 seemingly unrelated problems a couple of years ago that involved cellular responses to certain events. I'm no biochemist by any stretch, but the connection was too obvious to ignore, yet I had never seen anything in the available literature regarding this. I wrote up my conclusions and presented them to one of my doctors, and he was amazed at what I concluded, and thought I was dead on. Perhaps I'll see him present this in a scientific paper some day. (I won't expect any credit, and it may be I'm actually really not correct). It was a lucky find on my part, and I didn't understand the great majority of the science jargon I was reading, but sometimes getting the bigger picture is enough to grasp the obvious. I'm not bragging, just showing my curiosity.

Also, it's kind of nice to narrow down the possibilities in order to go see the right person first. That can save a bunch on medical bills, for sure.

Let me know how things turn out for you, please..

[Cloudburster]

Tell us what you wrote down and presented? Its good to have a doctor that listens. He's a keeper. Well done. So what did he do about it? What's the plan?

I went to the Ophthalmologist. That was a waste of time. He did less than the Optician. I waited longer in the waiting room. It cost much much more. He said I had floaters. He said this before even examining me.

Anyway, I'm running out of money with this. Ha.

Let us know how you get on.

[TrapperV]

Clodburster, the more i read your description, the more I believe you have the same type of floaters I do - translucent sheets that move in and out of visual fields - not the black or brown specks. They appear as sheets to me instead of spots or cobwebs.  My retinal specialist tool one look at the good eye the other day and confirmed that he saw a huge bunch of large floaters. We are going to discuss possibilities after the other eye retinal stuff is done.

[Cloudburster]

Trapper, its a possibility but mine don't pass my vision all by themselves. Its ONLY when I move my eyes and ONLY when in front of something bright.

An example, I am sitting in front of the bright laptop screen in the lounge room. I quickly look up to the TV, and I see this white sheet move fast down my vision. Then I look quickly from the TV down to the laptop, the hazey sheet moves up past my vision.

Its never just passed my eyes with no cause. As in, if I am looking out a bright window, the sheet doesn't just fall past my eyes. Never.

Strange thing is, once I stop moving my eyes it disappears.

Although no one can detect this, I am sure it is in the eye as it does keep moving for a millisecond after I stop moving the eyes. I think as soon as I stop moving my eyes, even though the cloudy sheet may be in my vision, my brain dismisses it and sees past it.

I've scanned the whole net I'm sure and only come across one, just one post that described what I see. Unfortunately the post was made quite some time ago and I cannot contact the person.

Follow this link from google cache: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:nfF9JkMLIJgJ:www.************.com/boards/eye-vision/721398-cloudy-area-eyes.html+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=au&client=firefox-a

The actual link has been removed from the website so its the only way to see it. I will also post the summary below:

Can anyone tell me if these cloudy areas I see when I move my eyes are floaters? They are more noticeable in bright light . When I look up or down, right or left , they shoot across my line of sight in the opposite direction. I find them distracting, especially when I am driving. I have always had floaters but they are much darker and tiny.

[TrapperV]

That EXACTLY describes mine. Eye movement causes opposing movement across the field of vision. As I mentioned mine are opaque clouds that are not specks or cobwebs, but are like translucant sheets that move with eye motion and sometimes completely block my central vision. That is exactly my point of why this type of "floater" is so annoying and life changing and so underappreciated as a handicapping problem.

In my small acquired knowledge of this type of floater, I've deduced that they generally appears after a PVD - a posterior vitreous detachment. Dr. Ray may wish to comment on this.