5 yr old female fainting and blue lips

[drea7170]

My 5yr old daughter has had 4 episodes of fainting the first two been the worst i was called to school as she fainted when standing (not doing anything energetic) the teacher noticed blue around her mouth i took her to gp and while waiting in waiting room she was on my knee very pale(grey in colour face and lips and blue around her mouth she passed out in my arms and was unconcious for around 20mins the doctors lay her on bed and rang ambulance her face was grey in colour and lips the same colour as her face. We arrived at ae and admitted for the night to monitor she had bloods took and ecg and oxygen and also tests to check epilepsy all ov which were fine oxygen was slightly low at times. We left with a 48hr ecg connected to her when we returned the 48hr ecg was checked aqnd couldnt find anything.this happened jan 2011 we left after been told there is no explanation to what has happened and it may never happen again. Untill last wedensday i was called to school as my daughter had fainted in class when i arrived she was in the recovery posicion looking pale but not unconcious and not grey like the first and second time and was advised by staff that lips where blue and dry. i took her back to ae on the journey there she was in my arms couldnt really talk and looking unwell once arriving at ae she came to life agaain wanting to play typical. We then had tests agin ecg which was fine oxygen was fine and blood pressure the doctor listened to her heart and said no murmers. We left with the result as a classical faint? and may never happen again till today just over a week later i got a phone call from the school she had fainted again same as last week still concious and she said everything goes blurry and cloudy ambulance came and she had ecg in the ambulance the paramedic advise she has irregular heart beat???? she didnt look well all the way to hospital but once again when we arrive she wants to play and seems herself we saw 2 doctors 1 ov which we saw last week and a new 1 and also a specialist who do another ecg which looked fine and oxygen fine and blood pressure fine so they still saying classical faint. They do seem confussed with whats happening and wondering whether it could be hormonal problems as she has a pale patch on her skin on inside of leg and also inside elbow. Another thing i should mentions is we where on holiday 29th aug when we arrived home she had tonsilitis she has had 4 lots of antibiotic and gp wont give anymore as it isnt making any better the back of her throat is just about closed this is a long time now we have been transfered to ent outpatiants appointment 6th dec to see what to do she is normal fit and well and never complains doing really well in school she does snore in bed and has done for as long as i can remember and sneezes often probably 6 to 7 times when she wakes up every day she does also have quiet a few nose bleeds but they dont last long. I am really concerned about my daughter and would appreciate any help or advice any1 can give

[Mom2four85]

there are many various reasons for fainting, some minor others more dangerous including but not limited to infection, fever, dehydration, heart related issues, neurological related issues, orthostatic problems, ANS problems, electrolyte imbalances etc etc

it may take awhile for her dr's to find out what is causing it; what I would do is take each issue you've listed and write a date, times and symptoms and keep a journal/log to see if you can find a pattern - any history of previous faints or family history? any family history on either side of sudden cardiac arrest/death or a family member dying <35 w/o a cause?

it could be that she has some underlying issues with the ANS that is worsened by say the tonsils being infected, not drinking enough lead to dehydration, and could even possibly have lead to an electrolyte imbalance

on thing that's important is that her teachers and others around her know she faints and to watch for it so she doesn't hurt herself in the falls.  I've had syncope (fainting) since age 9 and have fainted in just about every way you could think of and dr's think part of my spine and head injuries is from 35+ years of falls.

one thing that comes to mind is the blue around the mouth; does she or has she had Asthma/breathing problems? I have 2 children with asthma and that's what happens with them; loss of oxygen and difficulty breathing.  when my oldest daughter was 5 or 6 she started fainting but then it stopped as she grew older.

You could ask her dr for a soft helmet so she doesn't suffer any head injuries during the faints; my insurance pays for mine but I still suffered a concussion and contusion a few months ago hitting the side of my tiled tub - so it may not work in all instances but it's worth a try just in case

has the dr suggested a saline solution mist for the nosebleeds? that may work so ask about it - one great thing a paramedic taught me 25 years ago for nosebleed is to take ice or a freezer pack, put it in a baggie wrap it in a  cloth, tilt the head forward and put the ice on the base of the neck - it freezes the nerve and almost always stops the nosebleeds =)

[john2live]

I am sorry to here this is happening. You should get a WBC and CBC. I pray everything turns out good and she feels better.

Regards

jonathan

[Jerry_NJ]

Sorry to read your young daughter is having such a hard time.  It seems strange the doctors haven't been able to find a cause.  

If you don't get any help here you may want to make the same or similar post on: http://www.medhelp.org/forums/Pediatric-Cardiology/show/302

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Good luck, I hope it all passes and your young daughter doesn't have any more episodes.