I had a male friend,He had committed suicide,after interferon use.mow I am crying

[lizzakiev]

Hello there,

I was unsure how to make a posting on your website in relation to interferon. I am just starting to do some research into this medicine and your websites have been very helpful.

I had a male friend, age 38 whom recently completed a 6 month course of peg Interferon for the treatment of Hepatitis C. He was looking forward to coming off the medication as he did not like the side effects - depression being one of them. He was then told he needed to do a further 6 months of treatment.

He then went missing for almost 2 weeks until his body was finally washed up. He had committed suicide. This was very out of character. We all knew that he had been down and depressed but had no idea he was low enough to commit suicide.

It was a very tragic and sad end to a young mans life. He has left behind a wife and son.

I can say for sure if it was this medication that caused this. It certainly seems to have coincided with this medication though. After reading all of the posts on your website and the research you have done, I can't say that I would recommend this medication to anyone!!!!!!!!!

lizza

[Seeseegone]

What is going to happen to all of us. My dr"s look at me like I'm crazy and don't know what the heck I'm talking about. I feel like I'm going crazy when I'm really not, the just refuse to treat me with the correct medication. I am also a breast cancer stage 2 survivor. I haven't survived anything. I have no quality of life and it's only my faith that keeps me from ending this miserable life. I wake every day for no reason. None. Cause no one cares and they r going to get away with poison us. Each day I say this is the day I end this. I'm sick and tired and just want to go home since I can't get a dr that wants to be a real dr and help like he took a oath and swore toz

[Eisbein]

Mike, I have no idea what name he used before pkcolo.

Ivette said she would be back soon, but I am not sure about that.
I will say hello though, for the both of you.

I miss the old style forum, I am certain she will too.
More than anything I miss the way you and willing used to be able to link.

Stay well Tnguy, I have a soft spot for you and willing in my heart.

Ina

[mikesimon]

Do you think he's any nicer since he adopted his new moniker? I don't see much difference but I may be somewhat biased. Mike

[TnHepGuy_]

Just in case anyone's extremely bored, here's one small example from about a year-and-a-half ago that shows pkcolo's .... er, ah ..... "style". This particular example includes a bit of pkcolo back-and-forth with Ina and Ivette (among others), too!

http://www.medhelp.org/forums/hepatitis/messages/40264.html


And for those who might be bored even beyond the above measure, surf this Google search and you'll get to see for yourself how pkcolo=Mr. Liver.

http://tinyurl.com/2s4tqh



TnHepGuy

[mikesimon]

I forgot to ask you to tell Ivette I said thanks and hi, would you please? Mike

[mikesimon]

There is a strong similarity in the delivery. Who was pkcolo before he was pkcolo? I too have to hand it to you - he's a more likely candidate than anyone I can think of. It's a pretty sad state of affairs in my opinion. Mike

[TnHepGuy_]

Ina, I think you and Ivette may have just hit the Liver right square in the ol' bile duct. Our arrogant "old time expert" appears to be nothing more than a dredged up, "look-what-the-cat-dragged-back-in" little pk.

You two make a rather good Sherlock and Watson.


Hope all is well with you these days. And please say hello to Ivette for me, too.


David

[Eisbein]

I called Ivette, she remembered, he use the name pkcolo.
I am willing to bet a penny, Mr. Liver is pkcolo.

Ina

[mikesimon]

No, I do not remember that. If it was close to 2 years ago I wrecked my bike May 6th, 2005 and I wasn't here for a while and wouldn't remember much from that time and 3 months afterward anyway. I think it's obvious that if he was here as long as   he says he must have reasons for not revealing his past identity. I know he's not rev and I have never thought for one second that he was - or anyone else other than a variation of rev for that matter. Mike

[Eisbein]

I agree with you, Mr. Liver is not Rev, no way.

I think Mr. Liver got booted at the old forum over and over again, and does not want Med Help to know who he really is.
Do you remember, about 2 1/2 years ago, there was a guy who was also Everson's patient, was for years on the transplant list, and one day viciously attacked Dr.C in one of his posts, and was never heard from again.
Can't recall his forum name...he went under the same name at Janis.
Do you remember?

Ina

[FlGuy]

I don't thinks it's unreasonable for a person to be fully examined before starting treatment. In your friends case that would mean the head, inside and out, full labs and eyes as well. Because he's a 3a he should not automatically think that 24 weeks should do it.  With at least cirrhosis, probably older he may have some aspects that make him difficult to treat.  In addition to getting the 'full look' he should consult with a liver speciaist to evaluate all the aspects of his liver condition and negative predictors.  If he goes through with treatment, he doe not want to do it more than once.

[shastri20032003]

If Mr or Mrs Liver  is really the person as deduced by you...then my sentiments are the same as yours...that I have respect for this person and wish her(him?) a successful SVR the second time around in the extended time

bug...i think you are in the wrong line....you should have been a sleuth.. just think about this tonite....

I am already in week 18 of 24 and counting every day....thanks for asking

Has anybody realised that  in this never ending thread of 108 posts the original poster Lizza has only posted once? Wow....that must be some sort of a record for medical forums...

Meet you at the ATM machine....but I will ensure I am ahead of you!

Take care

[MyDzire]

Question re: interferon/peg
Hello REaders:
A friend of mine has gentotype 3A and his gastro doctor has been very reluctant to start him on interferon/peg because he has past drug addiction issues and has had 2 closed head injuries and the dr feels he will be a high risk of suicide. my  question is, ok if you dont give him the interferon and he's at stage 4 now, he's gonna die, and if you chance the interferon he RISKS suicide... someone lives with this individual, can you override your dr's decision and demand the interferon? He would be on it for 6 months. The doctor now wants him to see a shrink and go through counsoling BEFORE he'll even consider it, but he's already sick and at stage 4, isnt all this WAITING for a shrink to clear him going be letting the disease progress?
your opinions would be appreciated.
Mydzire

[meki]

"What is the point of this....amusement...paranoia, is this exciting Sunday fodder...I don't know? It does have me glued to this laptop, and I keep putting it down and trying to get something done and picking it up and putting it down ad infinitum I can't even find the period and anyone who reads me knows I use alot of them I better just move away from the computer and shutter down
Y"

Ladywhy - oh that was cute. And so true.

Mr. Liver - everyone.

Chill.

Who cares who is who? I think it matters not. We're all glued to this because in our own sick ways - we enjoy for a moment that this isn't all about being sick. This is something else.

So - let's all please ---- PRETTY PLEASE ---- get along.

And Mr. Liver - you're just like everyone else who has thrown punches...

"fighting a one armed man" "argue mathematics...." etc. You have your own way of eloquently expressing rudeness and arguments... Don't think that people aren't aware of the cutdowns with a sneer. Not everyone is as illiterate as you imagine.

However - with that said - you do have a certain charm and have some humour... So why don't you just use that charm and humour for some decent writing?

Everyone else. Does it truly matter who or what Mr. Liver is? Everyone here has differing opinions of what is right and what is wrong.

But it is the style of writing - the argumentative, sneering, fact basing that has you on the hunt for this person.

Each of us has gone through our own personal hell.

Perhaps "Mr. Liver" has his/her own hell going on as well. And these are just his/her perspectives of his/her hell.

Just like ours - yours and mine.

So let's all join hands around the campfire and sing kum-bye-yah or something like that...

Or - Why can't we be friends...

Or - Short People...

Or --- shoot - I dunno. Something happy and uplifting besides the hokie pokie.

And yeah - the thread thing --- about date basing from first post - I do dislike that also. But Hey --- I LIKE EVERYONE ON THE BOARD... With the exception of the people trying to raise their Google linkage and Ratings in order to bump up their websites in the ranking. Or trying to sell their wares that are hoodooo IMHO.

OK - so who's gonna start singing first?

I wanna see some laughter - and no more hatred.

NONE...

The only thing I hate is THIS DISEASE... which needs to go away forever from everyone's lives.

Meki

[desrt]

I'm not a huge fan of shrinks or docs who pass the buck, but I have to agree with your friend's doctor on this one. If the doctor sees something he considers to be a risk factor, what harm is there in getting a second opinion. A good shrink could get him on the right meds (if needed) before he starts treatment and he wouldn't take the risk of having to stop in the middle.

[meki]

Actually I don't know the answer to that. I could hazard an opinion, but it would only be an opinion.

I think you should repost your question on the main forum - because honestly in all the posts here, it will get lost... and not get the proper attention it deserves.

But as to my opinion... and note... it is only my opinion. I would have your friend get a second opinion.

I would also try to find a doctor who can treat BOTH illnesses safely - with experience.

The mental illness/drug addiction side is hard - but if it is treated properly - and your friend truly wants to get better - he can be aware of the medicine possibly causing suicidal ideation. (getting the thoughts of wanting to kill yourself... it's below acting them out or planning them out --- but it is a MAJOR first step.)

If he has someone with him 24/7 that can be better - but no one can watch someone 24/7 and if someone truly wants to kill themselves - whether through a mental illness or a temporary lapse in reasoning brought on by medication... if the person really wants to die --- you can't stop them.

Your friend has to choose to live.

That's what it boils down to.

Choosing to live.

But - honestly - I believe that it can be done. I believe that as long as everyone is on the same playing field --- your friend can choose to make it through the treatment and all of the possible side effects of treatment.

Get all of the doctors together - tell them you want them to talk to each other. That it is imperative that he get treatment --- and the treatment of all the side effects. They need to be in constant contact --- and your friend needs the option to choose.

Good luck - please remember to repost this question openly on the main forum - it is a good question and it deserves good responses.

Meki

[ladybug52]

Hello! You totally missed Ms Liver's point, it's not about you!

"I don't really care what Mike did for you. I'm only concerned about his behavior where I'M concerned."

It's all about her, oops I mean him:)

I like to think of that kind of self-centerness as something we females have a corner of the market on. That and holding up the line at the atm!

Stay well, what week is this?
Hugs,
Bug

[ladywhy]

What is the point of this....amusement...paranoia, is this exciting Sunday fodder...I don't know? It does have me glued to this laptop, and I keep putting it down and trying to get something done and picking it up and putting it down  ad infinitum  I can't even find the period   and anyone who reads me knows   I use alot of them   I better just move away from the computer   and shutter down
Y

[TnHepGuy_]

If Mr/Mrs Lipper isn't a noob (which I believe is most likely the case - just looking to "puff up" it's resume a bit by acting as if he/she has been here longer than anyone else), then there is a possibility that this is the reincarnation of "hippiemom" & "Dr. Dee". If you remember back to that episode (which of course Mr. Liar could therefore tell us in grand detail, since he was here for not only that one, but Handbag and all the previous 'wars'), "hippiemom" had many of the same traits as this one - arrogant, know-it-all, self-proclaimed "expert", complete lack-of-patience, quick to strike out when cornered in their load of BS, etc. Soon "hippiemom" got the boot and we were graced with the next incarnation - "Dr. Dee" - a passive-aggressive "expert" with innumerable over-lapping details/traits as "hippiemom".

But either way, if Mr Lie-bag has been at Med Help since time began, it should be a mere piece of cake for him to regurgitate all that has taken place here in the past 4 years (my time-frame) and longer (e.g. - Mikesimon's time-frame).


David

[Forseegood]

and the other is not far behind, one goes - as does the other...games at Medhelp, they'll go on forever, or at least until this virus is vanquished, then there won't be any need for a hep c theme (thank the heavens!)....hopefully then, we'll come here to talk about something else, like hybrid cars or something! but the games will still go on, beginning to think it's just the nature of these boards, and all the *various* personalities....

[ladybug52]

How can you forget:
Rev=cuteus=myown:)
(myown said they were twins seperated at birth.)
Bug

[copyman]

ok mike i take your word on it and sorry rev for accusing you once again. did you feel better using the "F" word in your post? did you ever think that is the type of behavior that gets you booted from here? thanks for wishing me SVR and i wish you the same. many things you say are right on and i agree with 100%. i have always said you are very knowledgeable about HCV and a real assest even though you have a very short fuse and blow up easily. this disease has a way of changing people. best of luck to you.

PS, fess up, were you sonic bandaid? LOL just kidding :-)

[ladybug52]

I truly believe you have been here before because I suspect you are someone who I have disagreed with in the past--hence you ignore my post to you.

Funny how you responded to every single post, but somehow missed mine.
Reminds me of someone else who was here under a different name.
We may have had our differences in the past, but oddly enough, I have a certain amount of respect for you. I've said before, we are just different.
I have my feeling for who you are, so I would like to ask this:
Was the 2nd tx successful? I know it was extended, becaue you didn't clear the first time. Hope you are SVR this time.
Bug

[mikesimon]

I know rev is not mr liver. I have known Scott for a long time and yes, he can get very angry but he has never masqueraded as anyone as long as I have know him. I know him both on and off the forum well enough to say this with a very high degree of certainty. I ask that you trust me on this point. I am not asking you to like him or forgive him for things he may have said that offended you. I just ask that you believe me when I say he's alway revinire in one variation or another and he's honest about who he is and what he believes - oh, and we don't always agree either. Mike