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Statins and Hep C
Hi All, I haven't posted in a while while recovering from my heart attack. But I do have one question for y'all.
Anyone here on heart meds, specifically statins, and who has never Tx'd, experienced an improvement in their liver panels, or hep C in general. I have heard that statins slow or stop the replication of the Hep C virus.
Thanks,
Doug
Anyone here on heart meds, specifically statins, and who has never Tx'd, experienced an improvement in their liver panels, or hep C in general. I have heard that statins slow or stop the replication of the Hep C virus.
Thanks,
Doug
Well today must've been my day to stop by -- I got to learn that you ARE OK - lol (had been wondering - was worried), and I got to learn that SFbaygirl is also OK! Great morning so far. :) I'll do a tiny url on the music thingie - gotta get my thinking cap on, but I'll have a song in the end. You don't realize, probably, how your first postings here did me a world of good. They got me back INTO (or more into) what I DO love so very much and what helps me relax, or helps me get energized, or just helps PERIOD - and that be music :) TWO mandolins in the works?! Alright!
I'm SO glad to know you're doing OK post MI. AND that your daughter is helping you and there for you / with you!! She sounds like an angel, indeed. Sorry about her diabetes / retinopathy. That's a tough one; she sounds tougher! The nutrition is very important stuff!
Statins - yep - I've heard the same thing (on the tx end). I recall reading some things last year on the increased interest in statins and Hep C. And by the same token they can also be hard on the liver. I would think your enzymes would start to go sky high ??? and that you would feel pretty awful if the statin you're on begins knocking your liver around. I've known two people who got really sick from the statin they had begun (they were sick within about 2 - 3 weeks of starting). They were both male, in their 50's, were put on statins due to high cholesterol (Prevacid, I think was one). Neither had had a heart attack,though - they just had high cholesterol and were at risk. Neither had Hep C either, to my knowledge. But anyhow... (get a load of this) the doc had not told one of them what to watch for as far as feeling "ill" after initiation of the cholesterol med. In about a month or so, they began throwing up, they were hurting all over, they thought they had "the flu", and it dawned on me they had recently told me about being put on Prevacid. I told them it MIGHT be the Prevacid and that they needed to get checked. They got checked, and it was WAS the Prevacid. I think their liver enzymes were out the roof (like in the hundreds). But anyhow, the med was stopped, and they began feeling better within a few days, and so - I'm assuming if one is subject to get liver sick from a statin, they will know it (and that you would know, too). I'm sure your doc (knowing you have Hep C and are now on a statin) are checking your liver enzymes more regularly, right? They better be!! You have mandolins to make! :)
As far as treatment and cardiac issues and being cleared, well - I really don't know what I think anymore about "being cleared" or what it means anymore, to be honest with you. I have come to a point that I believe "being cleared" is kind of like beauty - it's in the eye of the beholder. I've had the doc (specialist) tell me on one hand I will need rescue drugs and then - on the other - that I would do OK without them, and so - "being cleared" has become as clear as mud to me. :) In the meanwhile, I'm feeling pretty good, can't complain, been enjoying springtime and ... listening to music!
So here we go.....
I gotta go to Imeem and search some tunes.
hmmm.... I think they must have changed some things at Imeem (looks like they make you sign up now (or log in) to listen to the songs, so - you might have to register and then sign in if you aren't (it's free), and it's worth it.
Some Iris and Mandolins for you. Be good. Do music :) Stay well. Glad to see you!!
http://tinyurl.com/yp3tbv
http://tinyurl.com/2bq3ec
http://tinyurl.com/2c7mst
http://tinyurl.com/2g6wrh
http://tinyurl.com/ytbs5q
I'm SO glad to know you're doing OK post MI. AND that your daughter is helping you and there for you / with you!! She sounds like an angel, indeed. Sorry about her diabetes / retinopathy. That's a tough one; she sounds tougher! The nutrition is very important stuff!
Statins - yep - I've heard the same thing (on the tx end). I recall reading some things last year on the increased interest in statins and Hep C. And by the same token they can also be hard on the liver. I would think your enzymes would start to go sky high ??? and that you would feel pretty awful if the statin you're on begins knocking your liver around. I've known two people who got really sick from the statin they had begun (they were sick within about 2 - 3 weeks of starting). They were both male, in their 50's, were put on statins due to high cholesterol (Prevacid, I think was one). Neither had had a heart attack,though - they just had high cholesterol and were at risk. Neither had Hep C either, to my knowledge. But anyhow... (get a load of this) the doc had not told one of them what to watch for as far as feeling "ill" after initiation of the cholesterol med. In about a month or so, they began throwing up, they were hurting all over, they thought they had "the flu", and it dawned on me they had recently told me about being put on Prevacid. I told them it MIGHT be the Prevacid and that they needed to get checked. They got checked, and it was WAS the Prevacid. I think their liver enzymes were out the roof (like in the hundreds). But anyhow, the med was stopped, and they began feeling better within a few days, and so - I'm assuming if one is subject to get liver sick from a statin, they will know it (and that you would know, too). I'm sure your doc (knowing you have Hep C and are now on a statin) are checking your liver enzymes more regularly, right? They better be!! You have mandolins to make! :)
As far as treatment and cardiac issues and being cleared, well - I really don't know what I think anymore about "being cleared" or what it means anymore, to be honest with you. I have come to a point that I believe "being cleared" is kind of like beauty - it's in the eye of the beholder. I've had the doc (specialist) tell me on one hand I will need rescue drugs and then - on the other - that I would do OK without them, and so - "being cleared" has become as clear as mud to me. :) In the meanwhile, I'm feeling pretty good, can't complain, been enjoying springtime and ... listening to music!
So here we go.....
I gotta go to Imeem and search some tunes.
hmmm.... I think they must have changed some things at Imeem (looks like they make you sign up now (or log in) to listen to the songs, so - you might have to register and then sign in if you aren't (it's free), and it's worth it.
Some Iris and Mandolins for you. Be good. Do music :) Stay well. Glad to see you!!
http://tinyurl.com/yp3tbv
http://tinyurl.com/2bq3ec
http://tinyurl.com/2c7mst
http://tinyurl.com/2g6wrh
http://tinyurl.com/ytbs5q
wyntre9,
We had a great flutist here named Tom Byrnes who passed away a few years ago, that played a black wooden flute. He was near 80 and learned flute back in Ireland. He has recorded a few records but that flute he played was so beautiful. The regular flute is a beautiful sounding instrument but the wooden ones are so much sweeter. He partnered with an old guy named Tom McCaferty, a Scottish fiddler also in his mid 80s. They were great to play with at sessions. Unfortunately McCaferty passed away several months ago too.
There is a song by the Burns sisters called Johnny Get You Gun. It's lyrics discretely refer to someone who has AIDS. Beautiful song. We should try to get our resident song writer to put something together similar to that but about Hepatitis C and all it's complexities. What'cha think?
When I was in the hospital with my MI, on the fifth day I was in a step down unit and my nurse there as a young lady from Ireland, accent and all. So we hit it off pretty good talking about all things Irish and about music. I told her a little about myself with instrument making and stuff and she knew some of the people in the Irish community that I knew. On that fifth day I was getting anxious to go home and she had been lobbying for that all day. Around 6 PM that Saturday, She came in and said, I don't think they're going to discharge you until tomorrow. I told her to go tell my attending physician that if I wasn't discharged that day, my daughter was going to go home and bring my bagpipes up to the hospital. She laughed and left the room. She came back a few minutes later and with a big grin on her face she said, It worked, lets get you dressed. Wasn't much dressing to do as I had to keep a Foley Catheter in for another two weeks. I just threw a coat over my hospital gown and went like that. I had been pretty loaded on Dalaudid pain meds for five days and really was still in lala land. It was fun though, as much of it as I can remember. Glad for the Dalaudid though. When I had bladder retention and they put that catheter in (three attempts)it was pretty painful. Worse than the MI actually. They made it up to me by being super sweet to me for the five day. After I got the catheter finally out, I took a box of candy and a card up to CCU to thank them. They were so nice I just had to do something . . .
Johnny Get Your Gun
http://tinyurl.com/yfdquv
Doug
We had a great flutist here named Tom Byrnes who passed away a few years ago, that played a black wooden flute. He was near 80 and learned flute back in Ireland. He has recorded a few records but that flute he played was so beautiful. The regular flute is a beautiful sounding instrument but the wooden ones are so much sweeter. He partnered with an old guy named Tom McCaferty, a Scottish fiddler also in his mid 80s. They were great to play with at sessions. Unfortunately McCaferty passed away several months ago too.
There is a song by the Burns sisters called Johnny Get You Gun. It's lyrics discretely refer to someone who has AIDS. Beautiful song. We should try to get our resident song writer to put something together similar to that but about Hepatitis C and all it's complexities. What'cha think?
When I was in the hospital with my MI, on the fifth day I was in a step down unit and my nurse there as a young lady from Ireland, accent and all. So we hit it off pretty good talking about all things Irish and about music. I told her a little about myself with instrument making and stuff and she knew some of the people in the Irish community that I knew. On that fifth day I was getting anxious to go home and she had been lobbying for that all day. Around 6 PM that Saturday, She came in and said, I don't think they're going to discharge you until tomorrow. I told her to go tell my attending physician that if I wasn't discharged that day, my daughter was going to go home and bring my bagpipes up to the hospital. She laughed and left the room. She came back a few minutes later and with a big grin on her face she said, It worked, lets get you dressed. Wasn't much dressing to do as I had to keep a Foley Catheter in for another two weeks. I just threw a coat over my hospital gown and went like that. I had been pretty loaded on Dalaudid pain meds for five days and really was still in lala land. It was fun though, as much of it as I can remember. Glad for the Dalaudid though. When I had bladder retention and they put that catheter in (three attempts)it was pretty painful. Worse than the MI actually. They made it up to me by being super sweet to me for the five day. After I got the catheter finally out, I took a box of candy and a card up to CCU to thank them. They were so nice I just had to do something . . .
Johnny Get Your Gun
http://tinyurl.com/yfdquv
Doug
Celtic heppers!
That's a good one!
I'm pretty sure I've seen Tom McCaferty's name on a couple of cd's. Did he do a lot of recording?
(I'm relatively new to irish music - I fell in love with it coz it's so melody driven with everything, rhythm, harmony melody, implicit in a single line - it's just so gorgeous! And I love the ornamentation. Reminds me of baroque - my favorite classical music.)
When i was teaching I always did a month of irish music with the kids - think south bronx - and I'd always show the older kids portions of river dance - and they would BEG me the rest of the year to do that music again. The Unicorn, of course, was one of their favorites.
And the special Ed kids ALWAYS wanted to do irish step dancing and (since I taught EITHER in the girls locker room OR the cafetorium) - I never had any space and so i'd promise to let them stand in front of their chairs for the last minute of class and dance along with the riverdancers (no turning, spinning, etc.)
OMG - it was the funniest cutest thing ya ever saw! And proof, once again, that music transcends EVERYTHING! I started imagining a new show - Ireland meets the South Bronx -
SO sorry to hear of all your problems and hope that now you're posting again it means you're feeling stronger and you'll stop by more often.
I'm gonna check that song tomorrow.
Wyntre
BTW - funny that they'd rather RELEASE you from the hospital then hear BAGPIPES!
Personally, I love the sound. There's a bagpiper march down Hunter Mountain during one of those summer festivals and it's pretty darn awesome to stand at the foot of the mountain and see and then hear 500 plus pipers streaming donwhill in formation all playing the same tune.
I've even thought about getting a "practice chanter' just in case I ever get the chance to try real bagpipes.
PS - maybe we should post on other side next time if we wanna discuss music (which I'm ALWAYS up for) I'll look for you on Community as well.
That's a good one!
I'm pretty sure I've seen Tom McCaferty's name on a couple of cd's. Did he do a lot of recording?
(I'm relatively new to irish music - I fell in love with it coz it's so melody driven with everything, rhythm, harmony melody, implicit in a single line - it's just so gorgeous! And I love the ornamentation. Reminds me of baroque - my favorite classical music.)
When i was teaching I always did a month of irish music with the kids - think south bronx - and I'd always show the older kids portions of river dance - and they would BEG me the rest of the year to do that music again. The Unicorn, of course, was one of their favorites.
And the special Ed kids ALWAYS wanted to do irish step dancing and (since I taught EITHER in the girls locker room OR the cafetorium) - I never had any space and so i'd promise to let them stand in front of their chairs for the last minute of class and dance along with the riverdancers (no turning, spinning, etc.)
OMG - it was the funniest cutest thing ya ever saw! And proof, once again, that music transcends EVERYTHING! I started imagining a new show - Ireland meets the South Bronx -
SO sorry to hear of all your problems and hope that now you're posting again it means you're feeling stronger and you'll stop by more often.
I'm gonna check that song tomorrow.
Wyntre
BTW - funny that they'd rather RELEASE you from the hospital then hear BAGPIPES!
Personally, I love the sound. There's a bagpiper march down Hunter Mountain during one of those summer festivals and it's pretty darn awesome to stand at the foot of the mountain and see and then hear 500 plus pipers streaming donwhill in formation all playing the same tune.
I've even thought about getting a "practice chanter' just in case I ever get the chance to try real bagpipes.
PS - maybe we should post on other side next time if we wanna discuss music (which I'm ALWAYS up for) I'll look for you on Community as well.
Hi Chcnme, I'm so glad you popped up. The spring time always brings the beauty of this world back into view. It's always so pleasant . . .
I hope we find you well and in very good spirits this fine day. I'm doing great and spirits are at an all time high. Especially with the great Rxz you posted. I really like the Amy White post. She's got a wonderful voice. Reminds me of Seonna McDowel from Cleveland. An Australian girl Whom I used to play with (Banjo).
Good morning Ladybug if you're watching. Good to hear from all of you. Too bad we all couldn't meet in reunion somehow somewhere. This group of people here seem to be my kind of people with sensitivities much like my own. Oh well, Maybe some day.
Chcnme, Thanks for turning me on to IMEEM. I registered and am going to explore that site a bit when I have time.
I've been on the statins since my MI on January 15th and have had no apparent problems related to my HepC. I've only seen my Hepatologist once since then (actually a Nurse Practitioner). She didn't have much to say about the statins. They only confirmed that I need to focus on my heart recovery and forget about Tx for now. I feel so much better now two month post MI, that I'm beginning to think many of my fatigue issues, etc. were nutrition related. Jessica has been educating me on that. I start cardiac rehab tomorrow and have a feeling after being on that for a few weeks, I may feel even better, I hope, I hope, I hope.
Yep, I am blessed to have such a great relationship with my daughter. When My wife left me 6 years ago, my daughter stayed behind with me. Our relationship began to change from Daughter / Father, to Daughter, Friend / Dad, Friend. She's really opened up and that's really great. God bless her . . .
I think your friend may have been on Prevastatin, not Prevacid. Prevacid is a protien pump inhibitor or antacid, which I also take. The prevacid alows me to take 325 mg aspirin which I was unable to take before due to stomach sensitivity.
Anyway . . . Great to hear from all of you.
Amazing Grace - http://tinyurl.com/scw75
Mandolins - http://tinyurl.com/3d4run
TTYL - Doug
I hope we find you well and in very good spirits this fine day. I'm doing great and spirits are at an all time high. Especially with the great Rxz you posted. I really like the Amy White post. She's got a wonderful voice. Reminds me of Seonna McDowel from Cleveland. An Australian girl Whom I used to play with (Banjo).
Good morning Ladybug if you're watching. Good to hear from all of you. Too bad we all couldn't meet in reunion somehow somewhere. This group of people here seem to be my kind of people with sensitivities much like my own. Oh well, Maybe some day.
Chcnme, Thanks for turning me on to IMEEM. I registered and am going to explore that site a bit when I have time.
I've been on the statins since my MI on January 15th and have had no apparent problems related to my HepC. I've only seen my Hepatologist once since then (actually a Nurse Practitioner). She didn't have much to say about the statins. They only confirmed that I need to focus on my heart recovery and forget about Tx for now. I feel so much better now two month post MI, that I'm beginning to think many of my fatigue issues, etc. were nutrition related. Jessica has been educating me on that. I start cardiac rehab tomorrow and have a feeling after being on that for a few weeks, I may feel even better, I hope, I hope, I hope.
Yep, I am blessed to have such a great relationship with my daughter. When My wife left me 6 years ago, my daughter stayed behind with me. Our relationship began to change from Daughter / Father, to Daughter, Friend / Dad, Friend. She's really opened up and that's really great. God bless her . . .
I think your friend may have been on Prevastatin, not Prevacid. Prevacid is a protien pump inhibitor or antacid, which I also take. The prevacid alows me to take 325 mg aspirin which I was unable to take before due to stomach sensitivity.
Anyway . . . Great to hear from all of you.
Amazing Grace - http://tinyurl.com/scw75
Mandolins - http://tinyurl.com/3d4run
TTYL - Doug
Here's a link to an article on the subject: http://www.hcvadvocate.org/news/News_alert_statins.htm
It says that statins stop the Hep C virus from replicating and that not all statins are equally as effective. Fluvastatin worked the best in the study.
It says that statins stop the Hep C virus from replicating and that not all statins are equally as effective. Fluvastatin worked the best in the study.
Thanks BillyV102. I read the article. This is promising news but may be a long way off to FDA approval. Perhaps they'll have some sort of trials soon. I'll be a lab rat.
I'm taking the Simvastatin, one of the two moderately effective statins. I'll see about getting switched to the Fluvastatin, the highest one.
Thanks again.
Doug
I'm taking the Simvastatin, one of the two moderately effective statins. I'll see about getting switched to the Fluvastatin, the highest one.
Thanks again.
Doug
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