yugandan

[zesc]

where can I buy it - "Yugandan" - A chinese herb

[justtry]

hi zesc,
here something you might try:

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BUT
somebody from Ukraine mentioned to me about treatment hep c with this herb,
we have some other herbs were claiming for cure hep C
but some latest studying in Russia, Ukraine show that for now the only proven
is interferon.
Good luck, anyhow

[justtry]

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[justtry]

i am sorry, not sure why e-mail did not posted

[ymp]

i have used yugandan now for 14 weeks. tested again, and have a 60% of normal results. also practiseing tai chi for 20 years. i am following diet guidelines. i have carried hep c for 25 years. i will not use interferon.
i also use silk of corn (dryed) to help high blood presssure problem.drink as a tea.  chinese doctors are complete masters .    
          bali guy.

[FlGuy]

Seems like that if you double the yugandan and the tai chi you'd be in an even better place.  Doesn't the corn silk get stuck between your teeth?

[nygirl7]

Making no sense to me to throw good money away in the garbage.  If you'd prefer to put it to good use, you can always send some to me or any of the other people in here?

[ymp]

naturally u make tea in a teapot and strain.
nygirl have u tryed ugandan or any other form of  treatmant.,,ye of little  faith.

[alagirl]

ymp, I just LOVE it when someone hawking a tx that doesn't, by the way, work - uses google alerts to get alerted when someone posts a certain name.  So lame.  And then comes on this site posing as someone who suffers from a disease.  We see you coming a mile away because you didn't sign up until AFTER the key word(s) is triggered.

Like I said.  Lame.  Go sell it down the street.

[ymp]

SORRY U MISSUNDERSTAND ME ALA, i am an elderly gentleman surfer , i have carried hcv for 25 yrs, only found out 1 yr ago,  symptoms not as bad as others have i guess, i have used tcm methods  for several other ailments and they worked, as they are working for this ailment i will continue using them. By the way ,i dont sell anything.
i  t each an original tai chi  form and chi kung , taught to me by a great master of self healing for free ,as he did for me.  cheers ymp.

[aptec]

TCM and Tai Chi as a cure for the virus that ails us all?  What's wrong with Rife machines or milk thistle or colloidal silver or any of the many other alternative/complimentary ****?  Are you prejudiced against Western quacks?

[fretboard]

Either you currently have symptoms from the HepC or you don't.  At any rate, to fool yourself is one thing, but to try to fool others with only thoughts you are having, is plain irresponsible.  All herbs have thus far been studied without any promising results.  It may make you feel better, but exercise alone will make you feel better.  There is only one treatment that can clear HepC and that is Peg-interferon and ribavirin period.  Time to get real here, you haven't proven anything.  Don't use interferon if you don't want to, but you are only fooling yourself if you really think your herbs are doing you any good.  The hcv virus replicates itself continuously daily, the herbs don't stop that replication process and just may be adding to it.      

[aptec]

Yea!  What fretboard said!

[ymp]

dont fret mate if u want to enialate your liver cells by all means interferon away.  clinical   trials also prove interferon is not a defernate 100% cure.,,sorry to burst ya bubble,  my symtoms , headaches, insomnia ,  bone and joint pain, chronic lethargy,  disapeard  after 1 week on y......n and yuganping.  this is whats happening  to me,  after three months  my health is great,to me quality of life can be as helpful to a cure as any drug or herb. so  surfs up cek yas later no doubt.  oh! in bahasa language aptec is short for drug store.

[aptec]

In English, aptec is an abbreviation for a company I used to own.

You're not bursting any bubble of mine.  As I've said in other threads here, if you choose to use untested 'alternative' medicine I can only wish you well - it's your health.  I do have an objection to nonsense statements like "chinese (sic) doctors are complete masters", which are heavy on the "touchy-feely" and completely devoid of sense - 'Chinese' (Hong Kong, Macau, Mainland, Taiwan, Chinese American, or all of the above?), 'doctors' (specific doctors, some doctors, all doctors?), 'complete' (by whose criteria?), 'masters' (certified or by anecdote?).  I read a rather telling description of Eastern Medicine a few days ago, which you I suggest you consider:

Eastern Medicine gives both the practitioner and the victim endless scope for narcissism - e.g. Look at me!  I'm using a herb that only four people in the western world have ever used.  The Chinese have been using it for X thousand years AND it's shaped EXACTLY like lymphocyte!  Aren't I so very special?

Another telling thing about TCM, particularly in relation to our shared disease, is that its precepts were formulated before the discovery of the viral nature of disease.  Those guys were either REALLY perceptive, or they're making it up as they go along.

Anyway, I think it's immoral to suggest what boils down to quack medicine as a viable alternative to the only known effective treatment.  Many people here are obviously deeply worried about this disease and the side and after effects of the treatment; and people who have those worries can be easily influenced to use 'alternative medicine'.  In short, the repercussions of comments such as yours unconscionable.

If quality of life is what you're looking for, and your tx preference gives you that, by all means Tai Chi and TCM away and all good health to you - but it's guaranteed not to cure ANY percentage of hepatitis.  Interferon is not a 100% cure, and the side effects are woeful, but it's the ONLY tx in town that offers ANY possibility of a cure.  TCM and whatever other alternative you pursue may or may not alleviate the symptoms of a hep viral infection, but in the background that old virus is plugging away completely unaffected - wherein lies the truth - use 'alternative medicine' to possibly address the symptoms, use MEDICINE to address the disease itself.

[ymp]

i think you will find out over time  there is a lot more happening  in tcm than u are aware of, and u may never find out, as long as u keep the one eyed view u have.  i have no doubt there are quacks in all forms of medicine,  but there are also great masters in western and eastern forms of  healing. If  u just go along  believeing  what u read ( ie, interesting tellings )., your head will be as deep in the sand as theirs.  as to the quality of  life  , well you should try it, amazing,but you will have take your head out and have a  good  look  around  ,,no matter what ailment u have there will be a better outcome.cheers

[aptec]

I do believe that's combination of the 'keep an open mind', argument and the fallacy from authority - let's all be open minded no matter what nonsense someone comes up with, and it has to be true because The Great Wahoony says it is.

Nonsense is nonsense is nonsense.  As I said before, go ahead and dose yourself with that **** - but don't advise others to follow.

[fretboard]

=yousostupid

Herbal treatments are not regulated by the FDA or similar safety agencies, and there is no governmental or consumer agency oversight in regard to their purity, uniformity in manufacture, reliability, or safety. Keep in mind that "natural" does not necessarily mean "safe". Like any pharmaceutical drug, herbal treatments can have negative, even dangerous side effects.

[ymp]

mate , ya starting babble on a bit.  if check back you will see i have  not      told anbody to to take anthing ,, i have  only told of what i do and dont do. . ( fallacy, wahoony...what the hell) ,,,take a   rest till ya got  something  good to say, that might at least interest the inflicted  who read this forum.

[aptec]

I point out errors in your logic and it's "babble"?  But you ridding yourself of the dread virus with herbs and spices and dancing is coherent?

QUOTE . . . well you should try it UNQUOTE

And the word you're looking for is 'afflicted' not 'inflicted'.

[jdwithhcv]

You said "take a   rest till ya got  something  good to say, that might at least interest the inflicted  who read this forum."

I'm VERY interested in what aptec says and find that his remarks are quite eloquent, not babble at all.

[aptec]

Thanks for the comment.

Finding this forum has been one of the few good things to happen for me in the months since starting treatment.  It's generally an informative and supportive environment, but it's peppered with post by some seriously delusional people.  It's sad to think of anyone being duped into parting with their money and directed away from good health care toward blood zappers and colloidal silver; but in the end that's their decision.  I do however find it morally reprehensible for them to suggest that others follow their lead.  

People like ymp probably have good intentions when they tell their stories, but in reality they're only adding to the body of anecdotal 'evidence' quoted by the quacks to justify the latest CURE FOR HEPC of the day.  "Forget about that Interferon stuff - it's made in a laboratory by huge drug companies that only want your money.  You should try (insert nonsense of choice) - there's this old surfer dude in Baja who used it and he was CURED!"

[Rockerforlife]

CHINA????

[aptec]

Huh?

[ymp]

CHINA?  turn left and head NE east after u round CAPE HORN.


thanks to u Ap...  , for such eloquent spelling correction.
dancing (meaning ty chi i think)  is a long proven  healing and martial art.and only can be known to the student after reaching higher levels of practice and  many  years of  dedication. Maybe u study up a bit ,  then comment on it. .( suggest u try it,,  no way ,, u will need an open mind to start with)