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Anabolic Steroids question
I have taken anabolic steroids in the past and have never had any major side effects. I never took really high doses and never stayed on for more than 8-10 weeks at a time. I also never took more than one cycle per year. I get my blood tests run before and after each cycle to make sure everything checks out. I have even asked my doc what he thought about it and he said that he wasn't too concerned as long as I was smart about it. What is your take on 30 year old men taking moderate doses of AAS if they are responsible about it?
I have to say that I have read all the posts in this forum and you are VERY knowledgable in the subject. My husband has been talking about using AAS for a while. I always thought it was ridiculous, but now that I have read all your info, I think I could live with it if he did it. He would be very careful with everyhing and do lots of research as you have. I will probably even point him to this website so he can read this also. Good Luck and Thanks!!
I'm not sure what you mean by "legal side", but the folks over at the fitness board can probably help you out quite a bit.
Just afraid of if he gets in trouble what will happen to me....will I be in trouble. That is all. I am so stupid when it comes to this....so I am not sure what could happen if anything....
Please do direct him to our fitness forum. They are many people there more knowledgeable than myself and they will be happy to help. Knowledge, patience, and discipline is key here. I wish I would have had somebody to discuss this with before I started. It probably would have saved me a lot of mistakes.
Ogre,
Thank you very much...I have registered at extreme athlete....we will see if people want to even discuss something like this....more happend last night....but I am not sure it is safe to post it here.....Thanks for all your words ....your great!
Thank you very much...I have registered at extreme athlete....we will see if people want to even discuss something like this....more happend last night....but I am not sure it is safe to post it here.....Thanks for all your words ....your great!
I hope you like the fitness board. It is very family-like atmosphere over there and the people there will be more than happy to try and help you.
Thanks.....maybe if one of them is a lawyer!! Do you know where I can get info on the legal side of this?
GaGirl,
Don't get me wrong...there are still major health risks involved if he is not going about this the right way. I would try and get him to share with you exactly what and when he is doing when he takes a cycle. The more informed you are, the better. In my opinion, there is absolutely no excuse for person to deceive their spouse over something as serious as this especially when kids are involved. No matter what I decide to do in my life, my wife and kids will always come first.
As far as telling your kids not to do something, it's simple. When they are adults, they can make their own educated decisions. Even though the dangers for older males are unknown for the most part, the problems and complications for adolescents taking steroids are well documented. Kids have no business taking steroids for any reason. It can cause major damage to them and even close up the growth plates of their bones to the point where they will stop growing. Just tell your kids that, and it should be enough. Also, be careful about any diets or weight training that your kids may be on. Adolescents bodies usually aren't geared for the same type of workouts adults can handle. You should consult a physical therapist if this is a concern.
A good fitness board to visit is www.extreme-athlete.com It has many members of all ages that can share their own experiences with this type of thing with you. It may be something that your husband can look at as well to help him get answers to any questions that he may have. Let me know if you check it out so I can look for you there. I have been a member for many years. It is a great place to learn about everything from diets to training. You will need to register like you did for this board, but it is completely free. I wish you the best.
Don't get me wrong...there are still major health risks involved if he is not going about this the right way. I would try and get him to share with you exactly what and when he is doing when he takes a cycle. The more informed you are, the better. In my opinion, there is absolutely no excuse for person to deceive their spouse over something as serious as this especially when kids are involved. No matter what I decide to do in my life, my wife and kids will always come first.
As far as telling your kids not to do something, it's simple. When they are adults, they can make their own educated decisions. Even though the dangers for older males are unknown for the most part, the problems and complications for adolescents taking steroids are well documented. Kids have no business taking steroids for any reason. It can cause major damage to them and even close up the growth plates of their bones to the point where they will stop growing. Just tell your kids that, and it should be enough. Also, be careful about any diets or weight training that your kids may be on. Adolescents bodies usually aren't geared for the same type of workouts adults can handle. You should consult a physical therapist if this is a concern.
A good fitness board to visit is www.extreme-athlete.com It has many members of all ages that can share their own experiences with this type of thing with you. It may be something that your husband can look at as well to help him get answers to any questions that he may have. Let me know if you check it out so I can look for you there. I have been a member for many years. It is a great place to learn about everything from diets to training. You will need to register like you did for this board, but it is completely free. I wish you the best.
Ogre,
Thank you so much for your words. It means a great deal to me. He is taking injectables....I have no idea how often he does them. I find out bc he gets stupid and does stuff like hide the needles in our 2 year old sons car seat ...the baby pulled the bag out and said look mommy. All the other times I have found out in similar ways. He wont tell me when he is doing them bc he knows I dont agree....but I have accepted the fact that he wont change and have told him to pls tell me so I am prepared for the changes. He, like you, is a very calm man. When he isnt on a cycle it takes a lot to upset him. In my case, we have 3 kids. 2 very athletic girls and the baby. I feel that we cant tell them not to do something like that if he is. I would appreciate the fitness info you spoke of. I have thought about a lot of what you said. And your right, Hell Jose is still alive and looking healthy. It is a trust issue now....and one I dont know if I can deal. Would suck for a 13 yr marriage to be over bc of this...but I have a lot to think about...and he isnt putting the kids first, or me. So I guess I have too. Thanks so much for your time. Please let me know where else I can get info from.... : )
Thank you so much for your words. It means a great deal to me. He is taking injectables....I have no idea how often he does them. I find out bc he gets stupid and does stuff like hide the needles in our 2 year old sons car seat ...the baby pulled the bag out and said look mommy. All the other times I have found out in similar ways. He wont tell me when he is doing them bc he knows I dont agree....but I have accepted the fact that he wont change and have told him to pls tell me so I am prepared for the changes. He, like you, is a very calm man. When he isnt on a cycle it takes a lot to upset him. In my case, we have 3 kids. 2 very athletic girls and the baby. I feel that we cant tell them not to do something like that if he is. I would appreciate the fitness info you spoke of. I have thought about a lot of what you said. And your right, Hell Jose is still alive and looking healthy. It is a trust issue now....and one I dont know if I can deal. Would suck for a 13 yr marriage to be over bc of this...but I have a lot to think about...and he isnt putting the kids first, or me. So I guess I have too. Thanks so much for your time. Please let me know where else I can get info from.... : )
GaGirl,
It does sound to me like he may be doing it for self esteem. If he can already bench 590lbs, then he doesn't need to be taking anything in my opinion. Lifting that much weight over and over is very strenuous on your joints, tendons, and ligaments. I have never been all that concerned with how much weight I can lift. I like looking healthy and like looking as if I can lift a ton, but I don't really care if I can or not.
How often is he on steroids? Does he consult a doc to get blood tests done? There are so many precautions he needs to be taking if he wants to do this the safest way possible. I take my blood pressure every other day when I am on a cycle. It is a science that should be taken seriously. Taking steroids in moderation can be a healthy thing for some. It's kind of like drinking red wine. For many, a glass of red wine with dinner is a healthy thing, but drinking a bottle of red wine every night is not. That's the difference between use and abuse. Everything in moderation. Moderate doses of AAS for a moderate period of time. The problem is that we live in a society that is greedy and does nothing in moderation anymore.
I was violent a few times when I was younger and had no business taking steroids. They do make you feel more aggressive, but it isn't something that is beyond your control. I told my wife to tell me if I ever seemed violent in any way, and I would never take them again. I am a hot tempered person by nature, but I have never acted in rage while on any type of cycle since I was young. Some people just don't handle the responsibility of taking steroids. I don't drink any alcohol at all while on a cycle. I do this for 3 reasons. The first is that the steroids can be hard on the liver, so alcohol isn't a good idea. Just so you know, oral steroids are much harder on the liver than injectable steroids. The second reason is because I want to have a clear mind while on a cycle because people do enough stupid stuff while they are drinking w/o adding steroids to the mix. The last reason is because to get the most from my cycle, I adhere to a strict diet that doesn't allow alcohol which lowers testosterone levels.
I hit the gym for about an hour or so 5-6 times per week. Too much time in the gym isn't necessary no matter what your goals are. If he is spending hours in the gym everyday, he is probably overtraining anyway. My wife works out at the same time that I do so it works out well.
You really need to talk to him about this. If he is spending that much time and resources on this and is willing to take the risks without the proper precautions, then he needs to get his priorities in order if you ask me. Consult a couselor about this with your husband. He may have deeper issues that push him towards taking AAS to feel good about himself. I don't know him, but a lot of friends that I have take steroids because they have a low self esteem.
Just from what you have told me, I don't think you are over-reacting at all. This is your husband and he shouldn't keep things from you in the first place. No matter how much I wanted to do something, I would always take my wife's feelings into consideration and I would never hide anything from her. My wife even gives me my shots when I am on a cycle. I can't tell you what to do, but communication usually goes a long way in my experiences. If you would like, I can point you to a fitness chat board. There are many people on there that use or have used steroids. There are also many women on there they may be able to better help you.
It does sound to me like he may be doing it for self esteem. If he can already bench 590lbs, then he doesn't need to be taking anything in my opinion. Lifting that much weight over and over is very strenuous on your joints, tendons, and ligaments. I have never been all that concerned with how much weight I can lift. I like looking healthy and like looking as if I can lift a ton, but I don't really care if I can or not.
How often is he on steroids? Does he consult a doc to get blood tests done? There are so many precautions he needs to be taking if he wants to do this the safest way possible. I take my blood pressure every other day when I am on a cycle. It is a science that should be taken seriously. Taking steroids in moderation can be a healthy thing for some. It's kind of like drinking red wine. For many, a glass of red wine with dinner is a healthy thing, but drinking a bottle of red wine every night is not. That's the difference between use and abuse. Everything in moderation. Moderate doses of AAS for a moderate period of time. The problem is that we live in a society that is greedy and does nothing in moderation anymore.
I was violent a few times when I was younger and had no business taking steroids. They do make you feel more aggressive, but it isn't something that is beyond your control. I told my wife to tell me if I ever seemed violent in any way, and I would never take them again. I am a hot tempered person by nature, but I have never acted in rage while on any type of cycle since I was young. Some people just don't handle the responsibility of taking steroids. I don't drink any alcohol at all while on a cycle. I do this for 3 reasons. The first is that the steroids can be hard on the liver, so alcohol isn't a good idea. Just so you know, oral steroids are much harder on the liver than injectable steroids. The second reason is because I want to have a clear mind while on a cycle because people do enough stupid stuff while they are drinking w/o adding steroids to the mix. The last reason is because to get the most from my cycle, I adhere to a strict diet that doesn't allow alcohol which lowers testosterone levels.
I hit the gym for about an hour or so 5-6 times per week. Too much time in the gym isn't necessary no matter what your goals are. If he is spending hours in the gym everyday, he is probably overtraining anyway. My wife works out at the same time that I do so it works out well.
You really need to talk to him about this. If he is spending that much time and resources on this and is willing to take the risks without the proper precautions, then he needs to get his priorities in order if you ask me. Consult a couselor about this with your husband. He may have deeper issues that push him towards taking AAS to feel good about himself. I don't know him, but a lot of friends that I have take steroids because they have a low self esteem.
Just from what you have told me, I don't think you are over-reacting at all. This is your husband and he shouldn't keep things from you in the first place. No matter how much I wanted to do something, I would always take my wife's feelings into consideration and I would never hide anything from her. My wife even gives me my shots when I am on a cycle. I can't tell you what to do, but communication usually goes a long way in my experiences. If you would like, I can point you to a fitness chat board. There are many people on there that use or have used steroids. There are also many women on there they may be able to better help you.
Ok....you have researched alot...I have found all the side effects, from man boobs to stroke, heart failure..ect. That bothers me. He is a big man wo this. From what he says, and I dont really beleive much anymore, he does it for strength. WO roids he can bench press about 590, he wants to do over 600. WHAT FOR, it is not like he has to pick up a car. What scares me...and I dont know which kind he is on, what part of the cycle he is on or how much he takes. But I can see him lose his temper at stupid things. Have you ever gotten violent? Is that just media hype? I do commend you for talking to your wife about it, at least your not hiding it. Do you spend hours a day at the gym? He does...and that is another issue. I dont think he will change, and it is said to me that a 33 yr old man feels the need to do this to his family and himself. (that is how I feel about my husband not you) To me it is a self esteem issue, it would be different if he made his living that way, he dosent. I work out and want to look good....but not like that. I will do weights and stay slim, and my body will only do as much as genetics will allow. I just dont know how to deal with this...dont even know where to turn. Am I over reacting? Thank you so much for the information you have provided. It is awesome to get info from someone that does them and can give me insight on what they go through.
I appreciate your words of encouragement. My wife's concerns are based mostly on falsehoods that the media loves to portray. That is the problem I have. If she were adement that I quit...I would, but I want her to want me to quit for the right reasons and not because ESPN did some half-ass documentary. We have an agreement that the minute my use of steroids has a negative impact on our relationship, I will stop. So far, she says she can't tell when I'm on them and when I am not. I am happy with how I look and I am not a person with low self-esteem, but I see how that assumption could be made because I think that is the case much of the time. I simply like to push myself beyond limits whether it be playing sports, taking a test, or bodybuilding. I don't compete because I do this solely for myself ad not a bunch of judges. If I ever felt that my use of steroids was putting me at a great risk, I would have no problem stopping. It has been over 2 years since I took a cycle, so stopping wouldn't be a problem. I have never felt that I needed steroids in any way.
I would love to see any studies that you may have that support the dangerous long term effects of steroids. I'm not really interested in some doctor's opinion if he has no research or foundation to support his claim. Without some type of study or research, his opinion is no better than anyone else's. Short term studies are well documented, but 99% of those studies will admit that the effects claimed are not only short term, but completely reversible.
Steroids get such a bad name because of the thousands of people who abuse them instead of just use them. The "more is better" way of thinking plays a big part of this. Women and adolescents have no business taking AAS for any reason and I would like to see that stop, but until I see some sort of evidence that suggests otherwise, I don't think moderate useage for grown males is harmful over the long haul if done properly.
Like I said, it is strange that thousands and thousands of athletes have taken these substances over the past 50 years, but yet none of them are dropping dead from steroid use. If they are so dangerous, how is that? It is well documented and a proven fact that long term smoking kills millions of people every year and it has been proven that smoking causes lung cancer among other things, but Congress isn't talking about banning cigarettes. Why? Steroids haven't been proven to cause any deaths or cancer, but yet they are the devil. Why? It is because there is big money in tobacco and not in steroids.
I just ask that people not listen to every media report out there about AAS and do some fact finding of their own before jumping to conclusions.
I would love to see any studies that you may have that support the dangerous long term effects of steroids. I'm not really interested in some doctor's opinion if he has no research or foundation to support his claim. Without some type of study or research, his opinion is no better than anyone else's. Short term studies are well documented, but 99% of those studies will admit that the effects claimed are not only short term, but completely reversible.
Steroids get such a bad name because of the thousands of people who abuse them instead of just use them. The "more is better" way of thinking plays a big part of this. Women and adolescents have no business taking AAS for any reason and I would like to see that stop, but until I see some sort of evidence that suggests otherwise, I don't think moderate useage for grown males is harmful over the long haul if done properly.
Like I said, it is strange that thousands and thousands of athletes have taken these substances over the past 50 years, but yet none of them are dropping dead from steroid use. If they are so dangerous, how is that? It is well documented and a proven fact that long term smoking kills millions of people every year and it has been proven that smoking causes lung cancer among other things, but Congress isn't talking about banning cigarettes. Why? Steroids haven't been proven to cause any deaths or cancer, but yet they are the devil. Why? It is because there is big money in tobacco and not in steroids.
I just ask that people not listen to every media report out there about AAS and do some fact finding of their own before jumping to conclusions.
OK, first let me comment on the Lyle Alzado reference. No credible doctor will tell you that his steroid abuse contributed to his tumor because it didn't. Lyle Alzado and his family are the ones who insisted that steroids caused his illness. They failed to mention that he abused every drug under the rainbow and even particpated in homosexual acts to pay for his drug addiction. His type of tumor is foud mostly in patients that are HIV positive and many believe that was the true cause of his death. Lyle Alzado was one of thousands of athletes to take AAS over the years, and he seems to be the only one to develop this type of brain tumor. The media and his family were the ones pushing the abuse of AAS as the cause. His own doctor would not admit that steroids had anything to do with his death.
Next...I did watch Morgan Spurlock's piece on TV. It was interesting, but not completely relevant. First hgh is a different beast altogether. Yes, your testes stop producing your natural sperm level after about 2 weeks, but as long as you take the proper precautions and don't stay on for a ridiculous amount of time, they will start producing sperm at their natural levels. Many usuers take a drug clomid after their cycle to help kickstart their natural production of testosterone. Think of all the pro bodybuilders who completely abuse AAS for years, but still have no problem having kids.
It can have an effect on your liver, but you can easily combat this by taking legal liver and kidney protectants and by getting your blood levels done regularly. Spurlock did not do this. I have actualy had my lipids and liver function improve while on a mild cycle. His documentary did show that taking steroids is less harmful that eating fast food like McDonald's everyday, but Congress and the media aren't cracking down on fat people in line for a Big Mac are they?
Roid rage is a bit of a farse in my opinion. I compare it to alcohol rage. If you think you are a bad ass and you drink half a case of beer, you probably are going to think you are a bigger bad ass. This may lead to you trying to pick or fight or acting like a fool, but nobody calls it "beer rage" they just call it acting stupid. Same thing with steroids...I will admit that it does make you feel more aggressive. Any raised levels of testosterone will do that, but it doesn't make you into a raging mad idiot unless you were someone of a raging mad idiot to begin with. I realized this because I bought into roid rage whe I was younger and took a cycle. Truth be told, I was immature, hot-headed and had no business taking steroids in the first place. It was people like me that gave steroids a bad name because I wasn't aware of the precautions I should have been taking. When I got older and took a cycle, I somehow never felt any of this rage, probably because I was more mature and level headed. That is why I would never recommend anyone under the age of about 25 to ever take a cycle.
You're right hard work is the way to go and for most people, that is enough, but I never wanted to look like most people. I don't want to be obesely huge, but I wanted to push my natural limits. In the past, I have never taken more than one cycle in a year. The rest of the year I bust my ass to maintain the results I have gained. That's why taking a moderate cycle for a short period of time is the best way to go. Too many people want to gain 30 lbs in a year, but don't realize that their body can never support that type of gain naturally once they come off their cycle. They end up injuring themselves or going into depression because they lose 90% of the weight they just gained. I usually try to put on about 10lbs of lean muscle mass during a cycle, because that is easier to maintain once I come off. I also never try to lift much heavier when on a cycle, even though I could, because the added testosterone will make your muscles stronger, but have little effect on ligaments and tendons. This can lead to major injuries.
For GAGirl...
I would be bothered by the fact that he lies or hides this from you more than I would that he is taking steroids. My wife doesn't like me taking steroids, but I always have her go to the doctor with me to get my blood levels done so she can ask the doctor any questions she wants. I never lie to her about it, and I told her I would quit forever if she provided me a solid reason supported by factual evidence of why I shouldn't take them. In the meantime, I provide her with medical research supporting the claim that AAS, if done properly, is no more harmful that eating red meat for most people. If you would like, I can point you to a fitness forum that includes many members of all genders and ages that have and that are currently taking AAS. They would be more than happy to answer any questions/concerns you may have based on their own experiences. Just so you know, steroids are not chemically addictive like cigarretes are. They are addictive in the way they can make you feel and look. You don't have withdrawals like you do other drugs, but some go into depression because they can't stand not looking or feeling a certain way. Similar to the way anorexics see themselves as fat no matter how skinny they get, some people see themselves as small no matter how big they are.
Next...I did watch Morgan Spurlock's piece on TV. It was interesting, but not completely relevant. First hgh is a different beast altogether. Yes, your testes stop producing your natural sperm level after about 2 weeks, but as long as you take the proper precautions and don't stay on for a ridiculous amount of time, they will start producing sperm at their natural levels. Many usuers take a drug clomid after their cycle to help kickstart their natural production of testosterone. Think of all the pro bodybuilders who completely abuse AAS for years, but still have no problem having kids.
It can have an effect on your liver, but you can easily combat this by taking legal liver and kidney protectants and by getting your blood levels done regularly. Spurlock did not do this. I have actualy had my lipids and liver function improve while on a mild cycle. His documentary did show that taking steroids is less harmful that eating fast food like McDonald's everyday, but Congress and the media aren't cracking down on fat people in line for a Big Mac are they?
Roid rage is a bit of a farse in my opinion. I compare it to alcohol rage. If you think you are a bad ass and you drink half a case of beer, you probably are going to think you are a bigger bad ass. This may lead to you trying to pick or fight or acting like a fool, but nobody calls it "beer rage" they just call it acting stupid. Same thing with steroids...I will admit that it does make you feel more aggressive. Any raised levels of testosterone will do that, but it doesn't make you into a raging mad idiot unless you were someone of a raging mad idiot to begin with. I realized this because I bought into roid rage whe I was younger and took a cycle. Truth be told, I was immature, hot-headed and had no business taking steroids in the first place. It was people like me that gave steroids a bad name because I wasn't aware of the precautions I should have been taking. When I got older and took a cycle, I somehow never felt any of this rage, probably because I was more mature and level headed. That is why I would never recommend anyone under the age of about 25 to ever take a cycle.
You're right hard work is the way to go and for most people, that is enough, but I never wanted to look like most people. I don't want to be obesely huge, but I wanted to push my natural limits. In the past, I have never taken more than one cycle in a year. The rest of the year I bust my ass to maintain the results I have gained. That's why taking a moderate cycle for a short period of time is the best way to go. Too many people want to gain 30 lbs in a year, but don't realize that their body can never support that type of gain naturally once they come off their cycle. They end up injuring themselves or going into depression because they lose 90% of the weight they just gained. I usually try to put on about 10lbs of lean muscle mass during a cycle, because that is easier to maintain once I come off. I also never try to lift much heavier when on a cycle, even though I could, because the added testosterone will make your muscles stronger, but have little effect on ligaments and tendons. This can lead to major injuries.
For GAGirl...
I would be bothered by the fact that he lies or hides this from you more than I would that he is taking steroids. My wife doesn't like me taking steroids, but I always have her go to the doctor with me to get my blood levels done so she can ask the doctor any questions she wants. I never lie to her about it, and I told her I would quit forever if she provided me a solid reason supported by factual evidence of why I shouldn't take them. In the meantime, I provide her with medical research supporting the claim that AAS, if done properly, is no more harmful that eating red meat for most people. If you would like, I can point you to a fitness forum that includes many members of all genders and ages that have and that are currently taking AAS. They would be more than happy to answer any questions/concerns you may have based on their own experiences. Just so you know, steroids are not chemically addictive like cigarretes are. They are addictive in the way they can make you feel and look. You don't have withdrawals like you do other drugs, but some go into depression because they can't stand not looking or feeling a certain way. Similar to the way anorexics see themselves as fat no matter how skinny they get, some people see themselves as small no matter how big they are.
I see you have researched and provided some interesting information, but just as you claim no solid evidence exists for not using it, I can follow up with many reputable sites that will not support its use. Just as with most things in life, there are two opposing sides, both making arguments for or against.
I would have to say that your wife's opposition to it should be enough. She should not have to provide you with evidence you would no doubt brush off anyway. Her desire for you to stop should be enough of a reason to stop. And do not discount psychological addiction as any less significant than physical addiction.
I do hope in time you can find peace with the body you were blessed with and spend less time trying to justify the use of steroids. Focus less on your perceived image of a perfect body and more time focusing on the things you do like about yourself without having to supplement it.
I know a man who is nearly 60 years old who lifts weights daily, benches 400lbs, and who has maintained his physique without the use of anything other than increased calories and protein. His body rivals most 20 years olds, and he has done it all on his own. His kids see his accomplishments as a product of his determination and they know that there is no quick fix.
I really do wish you the best of luck. I would love to continue this banter, but I sense that I could put thousands and thousands of studies down in front of you and you would refuse to see the results as conclusive or valid. Once someone has their mind made up, it cannot be changed. And that is not my job here, it is not up to me to change your mind.
Good luck,
Andi
I would have to say that your wife's opposition to it should be enough. She should not have to provide you with evidence you would no doubt brush off anyway. Her desire for you to stop should be enough of a reason to stop. And do not discount psychological addiction as any less significant than physical addiction.
I do hope in time you can find peace with the body you were blessed with and spend less time trying to justify the use of steroids. Focus less on your perceived image of a perfect body and more time focusing on the things you do like about yourself without having to supplement it.
I know a man who is nearly 60 years old who lifts weights daily, benches 400lbs, and who has maintained his physique without the use of anything other than increased calories and protein. His body rivals most 20 years olds, and he has done it all on his own. His kids see his accomplishments as a product of his determination and they know that there is no quick fix.
I really do wish you the best of luck. I would love to continue this banter, but I sense that I could put thousands and thousands of studies down in front of you and you would refuse to see the results as conclusive or valid. Once someone has their mind made up, it cannot be changed. And that is not my job here, it is not up to me to change your mind.
Good luck,
Andi
I apprediate your reply andij78. I have consulted with multiple doctors. In fact, my father is a surgeon. Now, being his son, he doesn't like the idea. Some doctors have felt the same way even though none of them could say why other than the fact that there is too much unknown about any long term effects of AAS due to the lack of studies regarding the subject. The doctor I have now, doesn't think I need AAS, but he does admit that he doesn't feel that I am much as long as I talk proper precautions like using moderate doses for short periods of time and getting by blood tests done a few times per year. I have taken the real thing in the past. Herbal supplements are a poor substitute and cause many of the same short term effects.
I am not a small guy and have been bodybuilding for about 8 years. I am 5'9" and weighed about 140lbs when I started to get into weight lifting and bodybuilding. I now weigh about 200lbs and don't really want to gain much more weight. I may never take any AAS again, but I like to have discussions with people who know a little about the subject to hear what they think. AAS has been around since the 1940s, so it is nothing new. Athletes have been using this stuff for decades and still little is known about any long term effects. There are some short term effects, but most of these are only temporary if done properly. Thanks again for the post.
I am not a small guy and have been bodybuilding for about 8 years. I am 5'9" and weighed about 140lbs when I started to get into weight lifting and bodybuilding. I now weigh about 200lbs and don't really want to gain much more weight. I may never take any AAS again, but I like to have discussions with people who know a little about the subject to hear what they think. AAS has been around since the 1940s, so it is nothing new. Athletes have been using this stuff for decades and still little is known about any long term effects. There are some short term effects, but most of these are only temporary if done properly. Thanks again for the post.
I guess the one name that pops into my head anytime I hear of or think about steroids is Lyle Alzado (sp) long term use in his younger years contributed to his brain tumor. Hey, I may be a girl, but I was raised on drag racing and the NFL ; )
I know you weren't too fond of the TV reference, but did you ever get a chance to watch Morgan Spurlock's show, 30 days? He did one with a gentleman in his 30's-40's who wanted that fountain of youth. He found a doc willing to work with him and under the supervision of many fitness and medical professionals, did a cycle of testosterone and hgh for 30 days. In a very short amount of time, his sperm count went from extremely high to nonexistent, liver function started failing and within a week you could actually see the 'roid rage taking hold. It is very scary to see something like that happen in such a short amount of time.
Be cautious about it, if you don't have children yet, continued use could impact your ability to do so in the future. And if you do have children, also think about the example you are setting. Hard work and dedication are the paths to achieve your goals. Adding any type of supplements, anabolic or otherwise, are short term fixes. They may give you a boost for a short while, but in the end YOU need to work hard, right : )
I appreciate your candor on this subject. As someone else mentioned, you never know who will be the one to fall as a result of their usage of steroids.
Andi
I know you weren't too fond of the TV reference, but did you ever get a chance to watch Morgan Spurlock's show, 30 days? He did one with a gentleman in his 30's-40's who wanted that fountain of youth. He found a doc willing to work with him and under the supervision of many fitness and medical professionals, did a cycle of testosterone and hgh for 30 days. In a very short amount of time, his sperm count went from extremely high to nonexistent, liver function started failing and within a week you could actually see the 'roid rage taking hold. It is very scary to see something like that happen in such a short amount of time.
Be cautious about it, if you don't have children yet, continued use could impact your ability to do so in the future. And if you do have children, also think about the example you are setting. Hard work and dedication are the paths to achieve your goals. Adding any type of supplements, anabolic or otherwise, are short term fixes. They may give you a boost for a short while, but in the end YOU need to work hard, right : )
I appreciate your candor on this subject. As someone else mentioned, you never know who will be the one to fall as a result of their usage of steroids.
Andi
I would go about finding information as if it were any other drug addiction. Start calling around to treatment centers and see if any of them offer help with steroid use. If that doesn't work, contact your doctor or a doctor who may have some experience in that area. I am not sure if Sports Medicine would be any help, but they may be able to point you in the right direction.
I hope you can find some help for your husband. Who knows when that shorter fuse could escalate into something more.
Andi
I hope you can find some help for your husband. Who knows when that shorter fuse could escalate into something more.
Andi
Can anyone that has posted here help me out ... I have busted my husband 5 or 6 times in the last yr taking steroids. Each time he says he is quitting....he dosent. He is not violent....but our relationship changes drasticaly. I just dont know enough about this...and guess I need to learn more. His "rage" is more getting made at me and the kids faster...and he is very quite. I just am not sure what to do...let it go? Any info would be great...Thanks!
Is it possible to do this under the supervision of a physician? Even seemingly low doses can have an impact over time. Liver function, sperm production, hair loss, mood changes, etc. ALso, how are you gaining access to your steroids? Are you choosing things like Andro and Tribulus (maybe not specifically these, but accessed in the same way, via herbal/nutrition centers)? Or going more the hgh type route through prescription?
I am not a huge fan of herbal treatments for many reasons,one of which is you cannot guarantee that what you think you are buying may not be what you are getting. There isn't a strict QC or testing required when putting them on the market. You could think you are getting x grams of something per dose, but in reality get far more or less or none at all.
At 30, it seems odd that you would be turning to steroids. You are a young fella. Is this simply for the quick fix? Not a judgement, just a questions asked out of curiousity. My husband is a smaller framed guy (5'8" 150ish) and wants to bulk up. I am adamant he not risk the harm associated with steroids, so he and i have researched body building and bulking diets and workouts. He started all of this at 140, and now can weigh anywhere from 155- 160. His goal is to still gain more, but he is doing it the old fashioned way.
I really do encourage you to consult your doctor about this. Even if it is done as a simple Q&A.
Good luck with everything.
Andi
I am not a huge fan of herbal treatments for many reasons,one of which is you cannot guarantee that what you think you are buying may not be what you are getting. There isn't a strict QC or testing required when putting them on the market. You could think you are getting x grams of something per dose, but in reality get far more or less or none at all.
At 30, it seems odd that you would be turning to steroids. You are a young fella. Is this simply for the quick fix? Not a judgement, just a questions asked out of curiousity. My husband is a smaller framed guy (5'8" 150ish) and wants to bulk up. I am adamant he not risk the harm associated with steroids, so he and i have researched body building and bulking diets and workouts. He started all of this at 140, and now can weigh anywhere from 155- 160. His goal is to still gain more, but he is doing it the old fashioned way.
I really do encourage you to consult your doctor about this. Even if it is done as a simple Q&A.
Good luck with everything.
Andi
Hey, I don't mind someone putting their 2 cents in as long as it has some basis to it other than a Saturday Morning TV Special they watched once. I was hoping that by coming here the responses I got would rely on fact, studies, or even educated theories not just "because my mom told me so" rhetoric.
Hey everybody...my name's unagi and I sit around on my ass all day and reply to subjects I know nothing about on a medical chat board to make myself look cool. When I'm not spewing my nonsense on this board, you can find me over at eharmony.com lying to women in hopes one of them will go out with me.
Ok stud muffins. Are you married to Gretchen Bonaduce? Is this Danny? You have a great show!
You sound like a highly educated person yourself. You asked "What is your take on 30 year old men taking moderate doses of AAS if they are responsible about it?" I never said I was an expert. Just giving you my take. You can take it or not. No one cares what you do!! No one!! Go shoot up if you want. Look good for those girls you will never have. You sound like you know what your doing. Hell, it sounds like a life I want to have. A 30yr that needs to take steriods so he can look good for the girls. Wow, your cool!
Why don't you ask a real doctor, rather then coming here. There are plenty of doctors on this forum.
Why don't you ask a real doctor, rather then coming here. There are plenty of doctors on this forum.
Wow...you sound like a real winner. You must have gotten beaten up a lot as a kid.
Trust me...I'm not doing this for any girls besides my wife who I am happily married to. If you had read my previous posts, you would realize that I have asked a doctor. That is also why I posted this here in hopes of getting an educated answer from a doctor or someone who actually has a clue what they are talking about and doesn't get their info from watching MTV. I'm not seeking approval and you are right, I will do what I want. I'm seeking an intelligent conversation, but instead I got you. One question...It is obvious from your posts that you know absolutely nothing about AAS, so why reply to my post in the first place?
Trust me...I'm not doing this for any girls besides my wife who I am happily married to. If you had read my previous posts, you would realize that I have asked a doctor. That is also why I posted this here in hopes of getting an educated answer from a doctor or someone who actually has a clue what they are talking about and doesn't get their info from watching MTV. I'm not seeking approval and you are right, I will do what I want. I'm seeking an intelligent conversation, but instead I got you. One question...It is obvious from your posts that you know absolutely nothing about AAS, so why reply to my post in the first place?
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