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Penis hard even in flaccid state
Hello. I have posted a bit in someone else's thread, but wanted to make my own. I will give a brief rundown of the situation.
When i was 15, i was wrestling around with some friends , and felt an odd pop in my lower abdoment along with a very weird sensation in my groin. Went to the bathroom, and noticed my penis and almost fully retracted into my abdomen and was stiff , even though it was in its "flaccid" state. I went to the doctor a few months later , (being a young teen i was embarrased) and he said he didnt know, but its probably nothing to worry about and it would probably resolve itself. It never did, and i am 27 now.
It doesnt affect my sex life directly, i can achieve and maintain an erection just fine, urination is fine as well. The problem is, that it is very uncomfortable, and makes living a normal life nearly impossible. I have sever anxiety attacks about it, i guess from feeling like i am not in control of my own body. The feeling is horrible and i wouldnt wish it upon anyone.
I saw a urologist about a week ago, and he dismissed it as caused by anxiety. Yes, i said, the anxiety makes it worse, but it shouldnt be stiff in the flaccid state. He said he felt some fibrous tissue, and suggested maybe a mild case of Peyronies. But all the research i have done on peyronies, nothing fits except for the fibrous tissue. My erection does not curve, and peyronies patients dont complain of severe retraction or hardess while flaccid. Priaprism?
Anyone have any ideas?
When i was 15, i was wrestling around with some friends , and felt an odd pop in my lower abdoment along with a very weird sensation in my groin. Went to the bathroom, and noticed my penis and almost fully retracted into my abdomen and was stiff , even though it was in its "flaccid" state. I went to the doctor a few months later , (being a young teen i was embarrased) and he said he didnt know, but its probably nothing to worry about and it would probably resolve itself. It never did, and i am 27 now.
It doesnt affect my sex life directly, i can achieve and maintain an erection just fine, urination is fine as well. The problem is, that it is very uncomfortable, and makes living a normal life nearly impossible. I have sever anxiety attacks about it, i guess from feeling like i am not in control of my own body. The feeling is horrible and i wouldnt wish it upon anyone.
I saw a urologist about a week ago, and he dismissed it as caused by anxiety. Yes, i said, the anxiety makes it worse, but it shouldnt be stiff in the flaccid state. He said he felt some fibrous tissue, and suggested maybe a mild case of Peyronies. But all the research i have done on peyronies, nothing fits except for the fibrous tissue. My erection does not curve, and peyronies patients dont complain of severe retraction or hardess while flaccid. Priaprism?
Anyone have any ideas?
Hi guys,
Similar problem here. Had it about 4 years now. It doesn't seem to get any worse- so maybe that's a blessing.
I think mine possibly came from injury too...football...
Ive taken marijuana, but hadnt had any for about 9 years when i first noticed the problem..also had a pretty crap diet when i first went down with it...possibly connected?
I have the enlarged veins- but no scrotum abnormalities.
I also have the lower back pains (im 6'3") and occassionally tingly legs and numbness in my thigh. I did think about sciatica....
I can report that ive tried viagra and it does get around the 60% erection problem that id normally have without it. I can pretty much get back to where I used to be....
I also get stronger morning erections if ive taken viagra the night before....
But not without it.
Would be great to hear from any of you if you have any other ideas?
I hope that adds something to the discussion.
Similar problem here. Had it about 4 years now. It doesn't seem to get any worse- so maybe that's a blessing.
I think mine possibly came from injury too...football...
Ive taken marijuana, but hadnt had any for about 9 years when i first noticed the problem..also had a pretty crap diet when i first went down with it...possibly connected?
I have the enlarged veins- but no scrotum abnormalities.
I also have the lower back pains (im 6'3") and occassionally tingly legs and numbness in my thigh. I did think about sciatica....
I can report that ive tried viagra and it does get around the 60% erection problem that id normally have without it. I can pretty much get back to where I used to be....
I also get stronger morning erections if ive taken viagra the night before....
But not without it.
Would be great to hear from any of you if you have any other ideas?
I hope that adds something to the discussion.
Pinjured_Too, I have experienced an alarming number of your symptoms. Specifically:
-Variable penis texture and weight (flaccid+firm vs. lighter-than-normal vs. almost normal, etc.).
-Occasional itching on the left and right side, near the base.
-More visible veins throughout the penis.
-Left-side vein prominence. One left-side vein is much darker than I remember, and stands out the most amongst the aforementioned prominent veins. In conjunction with this, I occasionally feel a sharp pain on the left-side of my penis that extends to a point left of my anus and within my body slightly. This pain lasts only a second or two. I have some fibrous tissue on the left side (which has been there for years), so there may be a link there.
-Penile skin texture variability. Generally, the skin on my shaft feels looser than normal (reduced elasticity) which I attributed to the abnormally firm corpora cavernosa underneath. The loose skin symptom did not present itself at the outset of this condition - it came maybe a month into it. Sometimes the skin also feels cold and clammy.
-Nocturnal erection variations.
In addition, I have these symptoms:
-Reduced sensitivity on the shaft and head, especially when in the firm+flaccid state.
-Reduced libido, which may be a side-effect rather than a cause.
-Reduced energy, depression; again, possibly side-effects.
-Colder penis temperature and lighter glans color, also when in the firm+flaccid state. When erect, or after taking a warm bath, the reddish/purple color returns to the glans.
-Hemorrhoids, which may or may not have been present when the penile symptoms started.
-Back pain in the lower-left thoracic region.
-More flatulence than usual.
-Pain in the perineum - possibly related to hemorrhoids.
This all started 2 months ago when I woke up in the middle of the night with a numb, engorged, but flaccid penis. Since then, essentially all of the symptoms have been variable, with periods where I almost felt back to normal.
Here is what I have essentially ruled out at this point, through doctor's visits and blood tests:
-Thyroid problems
-Diabetes
I had a prostate exam that was normal, but I still haven't ruled that out as a cause. I have an upcoming appointment with an osteopath, to discuss any potential link between my back and these problems (though both a chiropractor and physical therapist did not think a link was likely). I'm also planning to see a neurologist asap. I've already seen a urologist, but they didn't have a diagnosis.
I'll post as I learn more. Let me know if you figure out anything else regarding adrenal function.
-Variable penis texture and weight (flaccid+firm vs. lighter-than-normal vs. almost normal, etc.).
-Occasional itching on the left and right side, near the base.
-More visible veins throughout the penis.
-Left-side vein prominence. One left-side vein is much darker than I remember, and stands out the most amongst the aforementioned prominent veins. In conjunction with this, I occasionally feel a sharp pain on the left-side of my penis that extends to a point left of my anus and within my body slightly. This pain lasts only a second or two. I have some fibrous tissue on the left side (which has been there for years), so there may be a link there.
-Penile skin texture variability. Generally, the skin on my shaft feels looser than normal (reduced elasticity) which I attributed to the abnormally firm corpora cavernosa underneath. The loose skin symptom did not present itself at the outset of this condition - it came maybe a month into it. Sometimes the skin also feels cold and clammy.
-Nocturnal erection variations.
In addition, I have these symptoms:
-Reduced sensitivity on the shaft and head, especially when in the firm+flaccid state.
-Reduced libido, which may be a side-effect rather than a cause.
-Reduced energy, depression; again, possibly side-effects.
-Colder penis temperature and lighter glans color, also when in the firm+flaccid state. When erect, or after taking a warm bath, the reddish/purple color returns to the glans.
-Hemorrhoids, which may or may not have been present when the penile symptoms started.
-Back pain in the lower-left thoracic region.
-More flatulence than usual.
-Pain in the perineum - possibly related to hemorrhoids.
This all started 2 months ago when I woke up in the middle of the night with a numb, engorged, but flaccid penis. Since then, essentially all of the symptoms have been variable, with periods where I almost felt back to normal.
Here is what I have essentially ruled out at this point, through doctor's visits and blood tests:
-Thyroid problems
-Diabetes
I had a prostate exam that was normal, but I still haven't ruled that out as a cause. I have an upcoming appointment with an osteopath, to discuss any potential link between my back and these problems (though both a chiropractor and physical therapist did not think a link was likely). I'm also planning to see a neurologist asap. I've already seen a urologist, but they didn't have a diagnosis.
I'll post as I learn more. Let me know if you figure out anything else regarding adrenal function.
Hello everyone,
I have been making detailed notes, documenting and recording mine and others symptoms for about 2 months now and reading these forums, comparing everything. Here is what I have:
Can anyone relate to all or most of these points?
1. Great variations in size, texture, feeling:
- 25-50% of the time is loose, normal size
- Sometimes light-weight sorta like it has an internal sponge cake texture or filling. Has a basic structure and shape, almost 'normal.'
- Sometimes engorged with blood, very heavy, lead weight. No structure, plump, very dead-like.
- Sometimes takes on a weird 'coke bottle' shape. Like a band is restricting around the middle, while full and plump near the glans.
- Sometimes after the firm-flaccid condition 'releases' for a bit, there is itching on the left and right penile shaft. This can be a symptom of varicose vein formation.
- 50-100% of the time very firm or hard, while retracted to less than normal flaccid length.
- Varicose and/or spider veins forming.
- A 1/2" 'dimple' forming on the fatty pad of the groin, right where the shaft connects.
- A feeling of the penis being 'pulled' in.
- A 'brittle' or' shell-shocked' feeling in the penis when this has persisted for a day or two.
- Visible stress to skin, wrinkling, color spots, redness, irritation, etc.
2. A common complaint is left-side veins 'popping' out or becoming much more prominent, also sometimes accompanied by some pain. I've heard some complain of right-side issues, but I personally have not had much of an issue with that side.
3. Shorter length.
- Usually nocturnal erections are normal length, and sometimes spontaneous are normal length, but many times, especially when other symptoms are present it can be difficult to get to full-length erection...and doing so usually results in some irritation and/or pain afterward.
4. Nocturnal erections variations
- Sometimes no nocturnal erections.
- Sometimes weak nocturnal erections. Not fully rigid.
- Sometimes 'stuck' nocturnal erections that won't go down unless you get up and move around. I am plagued with this about 30-40% of nights...having to get up every couple of hours and make it go down so a priapism doesn't occur. Otherwise it's irritated the next day. I take aspirin for this to prevent inflammation or scarring.
Ok, well I have seen 2 doctors so far and am going to another after Christmas (an andrologist). I have formulated some ideas, and am looking for input or to get the message out there about this condition. Urology doesn't seem to have any diagnosis for this, but perhaps we can change that, or perhaps the field of Andrology (erection doctor) can take up the issue.
Here are my ideas:
1. Veins are not actually 'popping' out on left side, or growing larger (at least not without being compressed first). They are showing up in relief of the pressure around them - of the skin being drawn up. The veins haven't changed, the skin has been drawn tight around them...like when you take something and put in a vacuum bag and remove the air. It forms a surface that follows the contents exactly.
2. Physiological influence has greatly increased it's effects on these symptoms. Particularly the release of natural adrenaline, noradrenaline, and other psychosomatic stress hormones in the body, etc. I don't think anyone disagrees that stress and other physical exertion has a big effect on this, but in this case only makes it worse. It is not the cause of it. Stress and adrenaline are normal effects in the body, but the result of whatever caused this injury shows up now, with this as its trigger in part. Before this condition existed, it simply didn't exert change on the penis that much before, so nobody noticed it that much. I think everyone can probably relate to stress causing an erectile issue, but it is usually short-lived...not persistent.
3. Varicose or darkening (spider) veins appear when blood flow is reduced or their flow mechanism is interrupted. Veins have built-in receptors that control constriction, dilation, and flow direction.
4. Adrenaline and noradrenaline (norepinephrine) both cause smooth muscle contraction, vascular constriction, increased heart-rate, etc. Working out, getting stressed, etc. is a major contributor to this condition.
5. Abstaining from sexual activity generally improves my symptoms. I had to g around and around with this one because there was some conflicting data. Getting a full erection seems to help...especially when it has lots of time to get to that full size, like at night. However, I have also noted with regularity that ejaculation can cause an immediate onset of the firm and flaccid condition, even when it wasn't present prior to the event. Repeated ejaculation in a short time frame magnifies this.
6. The ejaculation mechanism releases noradrenaline locally to trigger orgasm, and is the reason why a man goes flaccid immediately after sex. This hormone causes smooth muscle contraction and vascular resistance. This normally fades away in a few minute to a few hours, but with this condition it persists for even a day or several days.
So, I have come to at least one conclusion...maybe not a cure, but at least some clues as to what this is occurring. Please don't take my word for it, I only offer as a suggestion and it could be wrong...however maybe it has some merit and somebody can get this condition noticed.
So far, my idea of this is that I tend to think at the heart of this is a circulation issue which leaves the penis abnormally exposed to what normally is the usual hormone function of the sympathetic nervous system and sexual function.
I have been making detailed notes, documenting and recording mine and others symptoms for about 2 months now and reading these forums, comparing everything. Here is what I have:
Can anyone relate to all or most of these points?
1. Great variations in size, texture, feeling:
- 25-50% of the time is loose, normal size
- Sometimes light-weight sorta like it has an internal sponge cake texture or filling. Has a basic structure and shape, almost 'normal.'
- Sometimes engorged with blood, very heavy, lead weight. No structure, plump, very dead-like.
- Sometimes takes on a weird 'coke bottle' shape. Like a band is restricting around the middle, while full and plump near the glans.
- Sometimes after the firm-flaccid condition 'releases' for a bit, there is itching on the left and right penile shaft. This can be a symptom of varicose vein formation.
- 50-100% of the time very firm or hard, while retracted to less than normal flaccid length.
- Varicose and/or spider veins forming.
- A 1/2" 'dimple' forming on the fatty pad of the groin, right where the shaft connects.
- A feeling of the penis being 'pulled' in.
- A 'brittle' or' shell-shocked' feeling in the penis when this has persisted for a day or two.
- Visible stress to skin, wrinkling, color spots, redness, irritation, etc.
2. A common complaint is left-side veins 'popping' out or becoming much more prominent, also sometimes accompanied by some pain. I've heard some complain of right-side issues, but I personally have not had much of an issue with that side.
3. Shorter length.
- Usually nocturnal erections are normal length, and sometimes spontaneous are normal length, but many times, especially when other symptoms are present it can be difficult to get to full-length erection...and doing so usually results in some irritation and/or pain afterward.
4. Nocturnal erections variations
- Sometimes no nocturnal erections.
- Sometimes weak nocturnal erections. Not fully rigid.
- Sometimes 'stuck' nocturnal erections that won't go down unless you get up and move around. I am plagued with this about 30-40% of nights...having to get up every couple of hours and make it go down so a priapism doesn't occur. Otherwise it's irritated the next day. I take aspirin for this to prevent inflammation or scarring.
Ok, well I have seen 2 doctors so far and am going to another after Christmas (an andrologist). I have formulated some ideas, and am looking for input or to get the message out there about this condition. Urology doesn't seem to have any diagnosis for this, but perhaps we can change that, or perhaps the field of Andrology (erection doctor) can take up the issue.
Here are my ideas:
1. Veins are not actually 'popping' out on left side, or growing larger (at least not without being compressed first). They are showing up in relief of the pressure around them - of the skin being drawn up. The veins haven't changed, the skin has been drawn tight around them...like when you take something and put in a vacuum bag and remove the air. It forms a surface that follows the contents exactly.
2. Physiological influence has greatly increased it's effects on these symptoms. Particularly the release of natural adrenaline, noradrenaline, and other psychosomatic stress hormones in the body, etc. I don't think anyone disagrees that stress and other physical exertion has a big effect on this, but in this case only makes it worse. It is not the cause of it. Stress and adrenaline are normal effects in the body, but the result of whatever caused this injury shows up now, with this as its trigger in part. Before this condition existed, it simply didn't exert change on the penis that much before, so nobody noticed it that much. I think everyone can probably relate to stress causing an erectile issue, but it is usually short-lived...not persistent.
3. Varicose or darkening (spider) veins appear when blood flow is reduced or their flow mechanism is interrupted. Veins have built-in receptors that control constriction, dilation, and flow direction.
4. Adrenaline and noradrenaline (norepinephrine) both cause smooth muscle contraction, vascular constriction, increased heart-rate, etc. Working out, getting stressed, etc. is a major contributor to this condition.
5. Abstaining from sexual activity generally improves my symptoms. I had to g around and around with this one because there was some conflicting data. Getting a full erection seems to help...especially when it has lots of time to get to that full size, like at night. However, I have also noted with regularity that ejaculation can cause an immediate onset of the firm and flaccid condition, even when it wasn't present prior to the event. Repeated ejaculation in a short time frame magnifies this.
6. The ejaculation mechanism releases noradrenaline locally to trigger orgasm, and is the reason why a man goes flaccid immediately after sex. This hormone causes smooth muscle contraction and vascular resistance. This normally fades away in a few minute to a few hours, but with this condition it persists for even a day or several days.
So, I have come to at least one conclusion...maybe not a cure, but at least some clues as to what this is occurring. Please don't take my word for it, I only offer as a suggestion and it could be wrong...however maybe it has some merit and somebody can get this condition noticed.
So far, my idea of this is that I tend to think at the heart of this is a circulation issue which leaves the penis abnormally exposed to what normally is the usual hormone function of the sympathetic nervous system and sexual function.
A related discussion, Continuation of 'Penis hard when flaccid' thread... was started.
thanks for the interesting posting, reFaN!
i just found out, that the prostaglandins E-1/E-3 production mechanism is
reduced in case of lipid metabolism dysfunctions.
E-2 will never the less be produced normally. (wikipedia)
Well for my case, the doctors just found out that i have such a dysfunction
that results in a high cholesterol level. (which i think, quite many people have)
Might it be that there is a relation?
i just found out, that the prostaglandins E-1/E-3 production mechanism is
reduced in case of lipid metabolism dysfunctions.
E-2 will never the less be produced normally. (wikipedia)
Well for my case, the doctors just found out that i have such a dysfunction
that results in a high cholesterol level. (which i think, quite many people have)
Might it be that there is a relation?
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