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Fluoride in tap water and thyroid function
Has anyone else read about or experienced the effect of fluoride on thyroid function?
According to The Complete Idiot's Guide to Thyroid Disease by Dr. Alan Christianson and Hy Bender copyright 2011, "Fluoride is so effective at reducing T4 and T3 production that it's used as a a treatment for hyperthyroidism. If you're on the verge of being hypothyroid, though, fluoride is likely to push you over the edge. And if you're already hypothyroid, fluoride can make your condition even worse."
The book recommends installing a reverse osmosis filter for your tap water or drinking bottled water. I have no idea how much this costs and whether it can be uninstalled as I rent an apartment.I know some bottled water has fluoride in it and it would really add to my grocery bill.
Water is my beverage of choice so this concerns me. I drink a lot of water from the tap as is and make hot tea with it daily.
According to The Complete Idiot's Guide to Thyroid Disease by Dr. Alan Christianson and Hy Bender copyright 2011, "Fluoride is so effective at reducing T4 and T3 production that it's used as a a treatment for hyperthyroidism. If you're on the verge of being hypothyroid, though, fluoride is likely to push you over the edge. And if you're already hypothyroid, fluoride can make your condition even worse."
The book recommends installing a reverse osmosis filter for your tap water or drinking bottled water. I have no idea how much this costs and whether it can be uninstalled as I rent an apartment.I know some bottled water has fluoride in it and it would really add to my grocery bill.
Water is my beverage of choice so this concerns me. I drink a lot of water from the tap as is and make hot tea with it daily.
I received the following response when I asked about fluoride in the water where I live. April: In order to be effective, the concentration of the Fl in drinking water should optimally be between 0.5 – 0.7 ppm and naturally occurring is not that high. Peter Clinical and Preventive Services Public Health Dentist Manager, Dental Programs
Flouride is a toxin. Even on your tube of toothpaste it says that if injested to call the poision control center.
Intersting there is VERY little evidence that Flouride even helps teeth. And even if it does, it is ONLY needed in children as their adult teeth are developing for a few short years while a kid. Yet they deliberately feed us poison in our drinking water to EVERYONE.
There is a lot of evidence of Flourosis, which is the discoloring speckling of teeth in people and kids (actually ALL your bones but you can only see your teeth bones viusally). And this is a sign of OVER dosing of Flouride. We are getting TONS of fouride from various sources, in toothpaste in addition to the water and also many medicines also have flouride in them as well.
I've read but do not know if it is true that the poison control levels of toxicity of Flouride is near or lower than the amount that many community water systems add to the water. So any additional Fluoride that a person gets could easily over dose the person.
With the advent and common practice of applying sealants on adult teeth right after they come in to kids, there is little need for whatever the supposed benefits of Flouride was for teeth. Making Flouride reduntant and just an added public taxpayer expense to buy and add to our drinking water.
Think about the effect on thyroid. The #1 cause for low thyroid in the "modern" or "industrialized" nations is Hashimoto's. Not apparently in rural or unsophsticated countries. But one thing in common in these "industrialized" or "modern" nations is that they almost all add Flouride to the water. is there a connection to Fluoride causing hypo or pushing a person over the edge into Hypo? I'm not sure but it sure has to make a person say Hummmmm.....
The bottom line is that while it is common practice to add Flouride to water. There is no reason to do it anymore. There is plenty of availability of Flouride in thoothpaste or could be obtained for the kids separately for the only the ages that Flouride might be a benefit to them. There is abotlutely no need what so ever to add in a TOXIN into our drinking water for everyone to drink. NONE!
But reversing the common practice and the paradigm is extremely difficult.
I think adding Flouride is not MANDATED. It is a choice and IF they make that choice there are established limits that is recommended not to exceed. It just so happens that most communities choose to add it in thinking that it is good "for the children". But they make this choice without really knowing or researching the facts as they are TODAY. And likely no one in the water department or city council or whatever has ever even bothered to think about it. It has been done for 50 years so why would they even think to consider removing it from the treatment process? Maybe it made sense 50 years ago with no other way to get Fluoride to people. But things have dramtically changed in 50+ years. So they don't and most of the residents don't know that they are drinking water with a known poison added to it "for their own good" eventhough there may be no reason what so ever to do it anymore.
A true conspiracy theory out there. A scientist was sent over to Germany after WWII to find out why the Nazi's were adding Fluoride to water. This scientist is named Charles Perkins. And a book written by Jim Mars stated that Dr. Perkins conclusion was, and was quoted: "Repeated doses of infinitesimal amounts of fluoride will in time reduce an individual's power to resist domination, by slowly poisoning and narcotizing a certain area of the brain, thus making him submissive to the will of those who wish to govern them. The real reason behind water fluoridation is not to benefit children's teeth. If this were the real reason there are many ways in which it could be done that are much easier, cheaper, and far more effective. The real purpose behind fluoridation is to reduce the resistance of the masses to domination and control and loss of liberty."
Wow! And we wonder why our citizens in North America are letting the government take more and more of our rights awy every year! Is it because the vast majority of the population has been treated with Fluoridated drinking water literally for multiple GENERATIONS???? I don't know about that. But I do know there is no real reason to have fluoride put into our water any more!
Intersting there is VERY little evidence that Flouride even helps teeth. And even if it does, it is ONLY needed in children as their adult teeth are developing for a few short years while a kid. Yet they deliberately feed us poison in our drinking water to EVERYONE.
There is a lot of evidence of Flourosis, which is the discoloring speckling of teeth in people and kids (actually ALL your bones but you can only see your teeth bones viusally). And this is a sign of OVER dosing of Flouride. We are getting TONS of fouride from various sources, in toothpaste in addition to the water and also many medicines also have flouride in them as well.
I've read but do not know if it is true that the poison control levels of toxicity of Flouride is near or lower than the amount that many community water systems add to the water. So any additional Fluoride that a person gets could easily over dose the person.
With the advent and common practice of applying sealants on adult teeth right after they come in to kids, there is little need for whatever the supposed benefits of Flouride was for teeth. Making Flouride reduntant and just an added public taxpayer expense to buy and add to our drinking water.
Think about the effect on thyroid. The #1 cause for low thyroid in the "modern" or "industrialized" nations is Hashimoto's. Not apparently in rural or unsophsticated countries. But one thing in common in these "industrialized" or "modern" nations is that they almost all add Flouride to the water. is there a connection to Fluoride causing hypo or pushing a person over the edge into Hypo? I'm not sure but it sure has to make a person say Hummmmm.....
The bottom line is that while it is common practice to add Flouride to water. There is no reason to do it anymore. There is plenty of availability of Flouride in thoothpaste or could be obtained for the kids separately for the only the ages that Flouride might be a benefit to them. There is abotlutely no need what so ever to add in a TOXIN into our drinking water for everyone to drink. NONE!
But reversing the common practice and the paradigm is extremely difficult.
I think adding Flouride is not MANDATED. It is a choice and IF they make that choice there are established limits that is recommended not to exceed. It just so happens that most communities choose to add it in thinking that it is good "for the children". But they make this choice without really knowing or researching the facts as they are TODAY. And likely no one in the water department or city council or whatever has ever even bothered to think about it. It has been done for 50 years so why would they even think to consider removing it from the treatment process? Maybe it made sense 50 years ago with no other way to get Fluoride to people. But things have dramtically changed in 50+ years. So they don't and most of the residents don't know that they are drinking water with a known poison added to it "for their own good" eventhough there may be no reason what so ever to do it anymore.
A true conspiracy theory out there. A scientist was sent over to Germany after WWII to find out why the Nazi's were adding Fluoride to water. This scientist is named Charles Perkins. And a book written by Jim Mars stated that Dr. Perkins conclusion was, and was quoted: "Repeated doses of infinitesimal amounts of fluoride will in time reduce an individual's power to resist domination, by slowly poisoning and narcotizing a certain area of the brain, thus making him submissive to the will of those who wish to govern them. The real reason behind water fluoridation is not to benefit children's teeth. If this were the real reason there are many ways in which it could be done that are much easier, cheaper, and far more effective. The real purpose behind fluoridation is to reduce the resistance of the masses to domination and control and loss of liberty."
Wow! And we wonder why our citizens in North America are letting the government take more and more of our rights awy every year! Is it because the vast majority of the population has been treated with Fluoridated drinking water literally for multiple GENERATIONS???? I don't know about that. But I do know there is no real reason to have fluoride put into our water any more!
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Fluoride is only toxic if you consume too much.
Please tell me how many people haven't accidentally swallowed a bit of toothpaste, while brushing their teeth? You'd probably have to eat a few entire tubes or more, to get enough fluoride to be toxic.
Fluorisis is, usually, associated with naturally occurring fluoride, found in those on well water, not on public drinking water systems, since their fluoride content is so stringently regulated.
Having spent 20+ years in the water treatment industry, I can tell you with certainty, that water systems in the United States, don't have a choice as to whether or not they add fluoride to the water and there are very stringent rules regarding the levels that must be maintained. Most often it's EPA that determines whether or not a public water system is fluoridated, and then those are only the large systems, serving more than 10,000 people. I'd say there are more people in the U.S. not on fluoridated water than what are on it.
Personally, I have spent less than a year total, drinking water that "might" have contained fluoride, in my entire life, as I've always had private well water, so the only fluoride I get is what occurs naturally, or what I get in my toothpaste, etc. I have Hashimoto's and the resulting hypothyroidism.
Of course, I'm only one person, but I know there are many others who have Hashimoto's who have not been subject to fluoridated water.
Do you really believe this Charles Perkins theory? Are we to assume that those of us, having not been subject to fluoridated water are the ones who have maintained our senses, while everyone else has turned into "followers"?
Please tell me how many people haven't accidentally swallowed a bit of toothpaste, while brushing their teeth? You'd probably have to eat a few entire tubes or more, to get enough fluoride to be toxic.
Fluorisis is, usually, associated with naturally occurring fluoride, found in those on well water, not on public drinking water systems, since their fluoride content is so stringently regulated.
Having spent 20+ years in the water treatment industry, I can tell you with certainty, that water systems in the United States, don't have a choice as to whether or not they add fluoride to the water and there are very stringent rules regarding the levels that must be maintained. Most often it's EPA that determines whether or not a public water system is fluoridated, and then those are only the large systems, serving more than 10,000 people. I'd say there are more people in the U.S. not on fluoridated water than what are on it.
Personally, I have spent less than a year total, drinking water that "might" have contained fluoride, in my entire life, as I've always had private well water, so the only fluoride I get is what occurs naturally, or what I get in my toothpaste, etc. I have Hashimoto's and the resulting hypothyroidism.
Of course, I'm only one person, but I know there are many others who have Hashimoto's who have not been subject to fluoridated water.
Do you really believe this Charles Perkins theory? Are we to assume that those of us, having not been subject to fluoridated water are the ones who have maintained our senses, while everyone else has turned into "followers"?
Straight from Kindergarten to sixth grade, we had a weekly fluoride rinse we had to do,(this was way back yonder in the late 80's, early 90's) unless our parents opted out of it. I don't know if any schools do this anymore? But to be honest with everyone here, very few people I grew up with resulted in having severe health problems due to said fluoride rinses. I say that because while I have Graves', I highly doubt it's from fluoride-I have type 1 diabetes, and auto-immune diseases can go hand in hand, and I had signs of something up with my pancreas long before I ever did the fluoride rinse. I also grew up on well water because I grew up in very rural areas.
As for other classmates, I only know of one other who has a thyroid problem that she was actually born with, and very, very few people have gotten any terrible diseases. In fact, more of my former classmates have passed away from DUI's than any sort of disease. I know that's not the case for everyone, and I get people's concern with not wanting to ingest too much-but like Barb said, you would have to swallow a lot of toothpaste to have an ill effect. Kids of course, are smaller, so if they ingest too much-say, a tube of toothpaste when your back was turned? They're going to be way sicker than adults would be doing the same thing, so of course it's best to take a child who's swallowed too much toothpaste to the ER.
I have no problems with those wanting to try to avoid it in their water consumption, that's your own choice, but fluoride is also found in many foods, so you'd really have to cut back your diet in order to consume as little fluoride as possible. It's also in the air we breathe. Too much can cause problems, but you can also feel sick if you ingest too much mercury from fish, or magnesium from antacids. But again, same deal-you'd have to ingest an insane amount just to feel sick. Vitamin D is good for you, many people take it to improve their health, but if you decide to go overboard with it, you get sick. Same with iron. Same with Vitamins E, B6, A, etc. etc.
Again, everyone's own choice what to consume and what not to consume, but sometimes, people just get a crappy hand in the genetics card game. and there's honestly not much one can do to prevent it. My family-on both mom and dad's side- has a history of thyroid diseases, it wasn''t a huge surprise I got a thyroid problem as well. If you feel safer trying to eliminate something that you feel might be a problem? Go for it.
As for other classmates, I only know of one other who has a thyroid problem that she was actually born with, and very, very few people have gotten any terrible diseases. In fact, more of my former classmates have passed away from DUI's than any sort of disease. I know that's not the case for everyone, and I get people's concern with not wanting to ingest too much-but like Barb said, you would have to swallow a lot of toothpaste to have an ill effect. Kids of course, are smaller, so if they ingest too much-say, a tube of toothpaste when your back was turned? They're going to be way sicker than adults would be doing the same thing, so of course it's best to take a child who's swallowed too much toothpaste to the ER.
I have no problems with those wanting to try to avoid it in their water consumption, that's your own choice, but fluoride is also found in many foods, so you'd really have to cut back your diet in order to consume as little fluoride as possible. It's also in the air we breathe. Too much can cause problems, but you can also feel sick if you ingest too much mercury from fish, or magnesium from antacids. But again, same deal-you'd have to ingest an insane amount just to feel sick. Vitamin D is good for you, many people take it to improve their health, but if you decide to go overboard with it, you get sick. Same with iron. Same with Vitamins E, B6, A, etc. etc.
Again, everyone's own choice what to consume and what not to consume, but sometimes, people just get a crappy hand in the genetics card game. and there's honestly not much one can do to prevent it. My family-on both mom and dad's side- has a history of thyroid diseases, it wasn''t a huge surprise I got a thyroid problem as well. If you feel safer trying to eliminate something that you feel might be a problem? Go for it.
I chose to use fluoride-free toothpaste. I live in a city where they add fluoride to the tap water. I'd prefer they didn't because I drink a lot of city water daily.
I think it's better than all of those sugary drinks you can buy in the grocery or drug store. You got to wonder why thyroid problems are so widespread. It seems likely there could be a universal contributing factor. Many are not fortunate to have control over the water supply or have the disposable income for bottled water or fancy filters ...
I think it's better than all of those sugary drinks you can buy in the grocery or drug store. You got to wonder why thyroid problems are so widespread. It seems likely there could be a universal contributing factor. Many are not fortunate to have control over the water supply or have the disposable income for bottled water or fancy filters ...
I wonder what the case is here in Canadian the number of households with fluoride-free versus fluoride in tap water. Yes, I am aware it's in other things people ingest. I was reading about black tea recently. I drink mainly herbals.
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