Thyroxine meds affected by Ulcer meds?

[SuzCat]

I need to take Prosilec for ulcer-related pain, but I've read that ulcer meds like Prosilec reduce the effects of thyroxine. Has anyone had any experience with this? I take 100 mcg daily. How much extra might I need to take?

Thanks

[stella5349]

No Suzie - I haven't heard of him. And there are doctors even there that will look at the Free T3 and Free T4, they are just very hard to find.

Here is the basic rules of thumb for hypo's to follow. Most are gluten sensitive and have some form of celiac issues.

Stay off MSG - enriched flour - ALL processed foods and refined sugars.

Stick to a high protein diet.

Most last Vit B and magnesium.

Min once a day/ better with twice -  - for the acid try this. 3 -4 tablespoons of true raw apple cider vinager - with a teaspoon of baking soda.

Through the day - drink 6 to 8 glasses of water with real lemon juice. That cuts the acid back up and starts healing the gut.

[SuzCat]

Wow, I dived into research, following your leads. I am NOT going to take the PPI meds. Scary stuff.
But - I recently found a doc called Dr Joel Fuhrman who is an MD who advocates following a plant-strong vegan diet to heal all that ails us. He calls it Eat To Live. He has alot of main-stream MD support from very distinguished heart, cancer and other docs. Have you heard of him?

I'm going to over-haul my diet and heal myself from the inside, instead of taking drugs that will mask the problem, not solve it. And persue the T3 meds, ACV and probiotics. I'll let you know how it goes! (giving up wheat and dairy is a big challenge, but my pain is a great motivator).

Suzie

[SuzCat]

Ah, Stella! You're a gem! Glad you liked my descriptive writing of poop problems! Laugh away - it's all we got, right? I really do feel like my gut is rotting. And my family can testify that it smells that way too. Sounds like you were right where I am now.
Yep, I got the bloat. Walked around the grocery store just now clutching my side to hold the bubbling trapped gas in place. Praying not to release it until I was outside...

And the last 2 days I woke up with a sore throat and hoarse voice that got better by the evening. Must be that acid sloshing up in the night.

I don't have any pickles right now, but I tried a slug of wine vinegar. Distracted from the pain by my mouth puckering! No, feels a little lighter, I think. Will get the acidophillus and ACV.

I've felt for quite a while now that my T3 is too low. But I live in Israel, and I've been told it's not prescribed here. Grrrr. And citrus season has just started here and the produce available is just incredible. I want to eat it! Just have to stick with the candy I suppose. My diet bites the dust once again.
I just remembered one good thing - when I first had a flare up of this problem in February, I lost a good 15 pounds. Felt full all the time from the hernia. I lived on the occasional jelly bean and vitamin pills. Most painful diet in the world? And of course I gained it all back once the acid thing was under control.

I've got to see a good endocrinologist and find a way to get me some T3.
Thank you so much Stella.

[stella5349]

one more thing -- oh I am on a roll.

Take this challenge..... Drink about 3 sluggs of pickle juice and see how you feel... I bet you will see a betterness immediately

Not to say it won't return after a while... but its the vinager that will increase the PH balance.. and it might get you to poop better too.

[stella5349]

Oh to answer your question... "Adding the RIGHT kind of acid to stabilze the PH is needed..

Tomatoes are not good at this time and neither is high acid fruit. The form of neutralizing with baking soda and ACV is NOT adding MORE acid - it is neutralizing the acid you have to a healthier form.

YOU need MORE acid right now and can only get that from adding in more Free T3 hormone. ( thyroid related of course)

[stella5349]

I totally get what you are saying and as I sufferer that I was - I totally know the pain associated with this.

YES - I can't tell you enough on how much thyroid disease IS associated with this.

Those meds "cover" up the root and doctors will not put that together - at least most of them. Take a look at the article on "Top 10 medications, doctors won't treat themselves with." guess what's on there? - PPI's

I had it so bad my throat was so sore - the pain in the back and shoulders was horrible. So you have bloating? Do you feel bloat? I bet you do.

I can tell you from the bottom of my heart that IF your thyroid labs were REALLY right for you - this would not be an issue.

It correlates with low thyroid Free T3 - if you are not at the right level of that hormone the body slows down.

I hate to laugh but your clear explaination of digestion. It's right on. I swore when I was so ill and my free T3 was low - what I ate - came out and looked exactly like what I ate. I was not digesting anything and it was rotting my gut..

You also want to get on a HIGH good quality of acidophillus. Perferrably the Pearls brand of it. If you are storing unprocessed food - it is rotting in your gut and you need to release that. Acidophillus will help move that and this brand is concentrated to be taken and settle directly into the intestinal track.

The PH levels are potant because of the slow FT3. It is spoling the system with a high volume of potent gas and acid. The ACV nutralizes that and the PH levels drop back to a normal 7ish

You can get somewhat better on ACV - and some baking soda drinks - but the real issue is your Free T3

[SuzCat]

If my stomach acid is already depleted, that would explain why I can't digest red meat and have IBS problems (stinky gas and trapped gas, incomplete evacuation - what a great expression!).

But will adding MORE acid to my body relieve the burning pain between my shoulder blades from acid refluxing into my osophagus because of a hiatus hernia?

I had not considered my thyroid problem being the possible cause of my digestive problems. But if the blood tests say I'm in the normal range now, surely the other physiological issues would be resolved as well? Thyroid normal, acid normal?

All I know is, it's very uncomfortable and I need to do something before it gets worse.
Looking up Apple Cider Vinegar now. Thank you for your input!

[stella5349]

AHving stomach issues with a low functioning thyroid is a horrible situation and most doctor do not look at the issues being related.

When hypothyroid - the body slows in metobolism - digestion and a hot of other issues. Actually when hypothyroid. your stomach acids are already depleted and taking any PPI is very bad for you.

Most of it concentrates around a high PH level along with this low acid. There are many home remedies - (along with needing to get your thyroid levels optimal) that can remove you off those PPI's

I recently had a conversation with a doctor on this very subject. Balancing the body in acid PROduction is so important and those PPI's are not helping. They are only covering the root of the issue up.

If you want to test out you PH level and it's very inexpensive, buy some PH urine strips from the pharmacy and look at the PH consistancy in your body. You should be around a 7 or so to be PH balanced.

Putting in "proper" acid is best in this situation and getting off PPI's. You may want to read about apple cider vinager as a natural relief and this will not effect your thyroid medication then.

As I said - it a vicious circle of treatment. The PPI's are actually lowering your digestive track's normal function more - being on top of that - hypothyroid - so you could develop more digestive issues down the road concidering this path.

[SuzCat]

Thanks, Tamra and Barb.
I made a mistake - I'm taking Lansoprozole (my husband takes Prilosec - and Barb, I typed it wrong, sorry for the mistake - so that name sprung to my fingertips first when I was posting). Lansoprazole is a Proton Pump Inhibitor - probably similar to Prilosec in it's actions.

I take my thryoxine an hour before I have breakfast. Since I need to take the Lansoprazole on an empty stomach, at least half an hour before eating, I'll take it before lunch.

But the problem I read about seems to be not just what times to take the meds, but the on-going effect of the stomach becoming a less-acidic environment because of the Proton Pump Inhibitor.

Heck, guess I'll have to go see my doc, yet again.

[Barb135]

I'm sorry to ask, but are you referring to the med Prilosec, which is used for acid reflux/heartburn issues or Proselec, which I found in a search, but no info?  

Drugs used for acid reflux/heartburn issues such as nexium, prilosec, aciphex, etc CAN inhibit the absorption of thyroid med(s) and their consumption should be separated by a few hours.

[TamraW]

I take Nexium and Prilosec. Luckily, I've needed less heartburn meds thanks to the thyroid issue getting under control.

Some say to wait an hour after taking your thryroxine before consuming anything other than that tall glass of water.

I wait a half hour after taking my thryoid meds to drink coffee and an hour before eating. I try to wait four hours to take any vitamins or other medications.

Also, try to limit any products with soy as much as possible. I wait at least four hours but, actually, I try to avoid soy altogether.

:) Tamra