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What do you think about this permanent discoloration?
Hi, I've been having this permanent discoloration and many other symptoms for more than two months. They were all triggered after overexercising. Doctors seem to focus on my other symptoms but not on the color of my fingernails. Before their colour was like that of normal, healthy people's fingernails. Also my lips, tongue, scars, scratches eg my face after shaving have this same discoloration. Please tell me all the causes of the discoloration. I'll attach more pics here. Thanks in advance.
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Interesting, I didn't know that H Pylori was linked with B12 deficiency. were you actually tested for H Pylori?
out of the millions of people with H Pylori how many do you think will have your symptoms?
You haven't really ruled out something like "post viral auto-immune reaction".
Consider that most autoimmune syndromes can't really be diagnosed with a definitive lab test.
I haven't been tested for B12 deficiency, my C3 hasn't been checked again but I figure it would be back to normal now that the symptoms are regressing. at the moment I don't even have access to doctors. Consider that I seem to be healing spontaneously: if I had been given just any treatment, vitamins, iron, magnesium, psychotropic drugs, anything, now I'd be addressing the improvement to whatever I had been taking.
I actually heard of a woman from my area the other day who has colouration on her hands she was told it's Raynaud's disease.
there is always the possibility that low B12 was not the origin of the problem but rather a sign of it or a consequence. the same problem that altered C3 values. Doctors always have it figured out...
even provided that it was only due to a (sudden) vitamin deficiency that would mean that these other facts:
-you being in Rome the same month I began to get sick
-compatible symptoms
-alteration of the C3 (high for me, low for you)
were all mere coincidences.
out of the millions of people with H Pylori how many do you think will have your symptoms?
You haven't really ruled out something like "post viral auto-immune reaction".
Consider that most autoimmune syndromes can't really be diagnosed with a definitive lab test.
I haven't been tested for B12 deficiency, my C3 hasn't been checked again but I figure it would be back to normal now that the symptoms are regressing. at the moment I don't even have access to doctors. Consider that I seem to be healing spontaneously: if I had been given just any treatment, vitamins, iron, magnesium, psychotropic drugs, anything, now I'd be addressing the improvement to whatever I had been taking.
I actually heard of a woman from my area the other day who has colouration on her hands she was told it's Raynaud's disease.
there is always the possibility that low B12 was not the origin of the problem but rather a sign of it or a consequence. the same problem that altered C3 values. Doctors always have it figured out...
even provided that it was only due to a (sudden) vitamin deficiency that would mean that these other facts:
-you being in Rome the same month I began to get sick
-compatible symptoms
-alteration of the C3 (high for me, low for you)
were all mere coincidences.
Hi again mate, I'm just here to tell you that you were wrong about the "autoimmune reaction". I sought second, third opinions about my symptoms, and in fact, B12 deficiency was able to explain everything, according to doctors and my research. CBC values and Complement System returned to normal values after B12 supplementation. It's been a month since I started on it, and most of my symptoms subsided. The rest is getting less noticeable everyday. I think my cognitive abilities are not yet at 100% percent, but are really a lot better than before. Though it's very difficult, it's not impossible to study as it was before. Docs said that it might take some time to be back 100% ok since there has been neurological involvement, but luckily my chances of full recovery are optimal as I haven't been suffering of the symptoms much time before supplementation.
The cause of my B12 deficiency was H Pylori, and it was treated. There's still even more to fix. I found that my Vitamin D level is very low. Also my zinc level is normal low. I'll see what I fix after treating that. But I'm very glad not to have an autoimmune reaction as you said.
What doesn't seem to be fixed is my fingernail discolouration, so I was referred to a vascular surgeon to get checked. On internet, I found cases of hyperpigmentation on fingernails due to B12 deficiency very similar to mine, which resolved two or three months upon supplementation. Luckily that will be my case as well.
The cause of my B12 deficiency was H Pylori, and it was treated. There's still even more to fix. I found that my Vitamin D level is very low. Also my zinc level is normal low. I'll see what I fix after treating that. But I'm very glad not to have an autoimmune reaction as you said.
What doesn't seem to be fixed is my fingernail discolouration, so I was referred to a vascular surgeon to get checked. On internet, I found cases of hyperpigmentation on fingernails due to B12 deficiency very similar to mine, which resolved two or three months upon supplementation. Luckily that will be my case as well.
I don't know about that. you could have more than one condition at once. or it could be secondary to one of the symptoms. it's only a bit of colour when you squeeze your fingers you can barely notice it
I know what you're trying to do because I have been through the same. when I got sick and I realised that going to doctors was pretty much like going to the clowns show I started studying the matter and exploring all different possibilities.
direct infections of the CNS: lyme, meningitis, syphilis, malaria, rabies, etc.
autoimmune: multiple sclerosis, ALS, Lupus, etc. etc.
orthopedic, spinal disc herniations (I didn't realised cognitive symptoms and the rest were related)
and so on.
by being stressed, inexperienced, literally dumbed down by your sickness, you will tend to make fit what really can't fit. Note that it is a common error in medicine that concerns Doctors as well as patients.
that's why if you look up a certain disease on the internet you will always find someone who says it can cause this and that, almost everything.
you post your symptoms in the Lyme community, they will tell you have Lyme all the way. doesn't matter there was no tick, no rash, no fever, negative tests, Lyme is rare etc. it's only a irrational process by which people try to find a explanation to the unexplained.
The need for diagnosis is not only because people seek treatment but also because when sickness is unexplained most Doctors will rush you to the psych ward. you understand is that the alternative is that they would have to admit they don't know how to do their job, which is a horrible prospective to their narrow minds.
In conclusion I can suggest a few things to you:
most likely you don't have a direct infection of the CNS or else you'd be really messed up with fever etc.
Keep it in general concepts, medicine is a lot behind on these type of issues. your problem is probably a "autoimmune reaction". the way doctors diagnose those conditions is empiric, MS, ALS, Lupus, Rheumatoid Arthritis etc. are only labels for a collection of symptoms and some clinical evidence that they often bend the way it pleases them, for something that basically they barely understand.
Most of all: DO NOT go to a shrink. Change doctor, go to a different one. talk to different doctors and pick one who can give you a reasonable answer which might include one like "I don't have a clue". It is normal to be stressed and scared by illness, moreover something is disturbing your cognitive functions, slowing them down, therefore you need to slow down a bit too.
The fact that you were in Rome in Sept. 2011 is a impressive coincidence.
look up things like "post viral syndrome" "post viral autoimmune encephalitis"
direct infections of the CNS: lyme, meningitis, syphilis, malaria, rabies, etc.
autoimmune: multiple sclerosis, ALS, Lupus, etc. etc.
orthopedic, spinal disc herniations (I didn't realised cognitive symptoms and the rest were related)
and so on.
by being stressed, inexperienced, literally dumbed down by your sickness, you will tend to make fit what really can't fit. Note that it is a common error in medicine that concerns Doctors as well as patients.
that's why if you look up a certain disease on the internet you will always find someone who says it can cause this and that, almost everything.
you post your symptoms in the Lyme community, they will tell you have Lyme all the way. doesn't matter there was no tick, no rash, no fever, negative tests, Lyme is rare etc. it's only a irrational process by which people try to find a explanation to the unexplained.
The need for diagnosis is not only because people seek treatment but also because when sickness is unexplained most Doctors will rush you to the psych ward. you understand is that the alternative is that they would have to admit they don't know how to do their job, which is a horrible prospective to their narrow minds.
In conclusion I can suggest a few things to you:
most likely you don't have a direct infection of the CNS or else you'd be really messed up with fever etc.
Keep it in general concepts, medicine is a lot behind on these type of issues. your problem is probably a "autoimmune reaction". the way doctors diagnose those conditions is empiric, MS, ALS, Lupus, Rheumatoid Arthritis etc. are only labels for a collection of symptoms and some clinical evidence that they often bend the way it pleases them, for something that basically they barely understand.
Most of all: DO NOT go to a shrink. Change doctor, go to a different one. talk to different doctors and pick one who can give you a reasonable answer which might include one like "I don't have a clue". It is normal to be stressed and scared by illness, moreover something is disturbing your cognitive functions, slowing them down, therefore you need to slow down a bit too.
The fact that you were in Rome in Sept. 2011 is a impressive coincidence.
look up things like "post viral syndrome" "post viral autoimmune encephalitis"
I was in Rome and Venice in September 2011 actually. I'm not trying to label my disease, I'm just trying to point out to what can be real, instead of trusting on doctors and letting them be the owners of truth. Despite all, it's my health what is wrong not theirs. They were not even able to find out what was wrong with me, it was me who demanded to get tested for B12 levels.
You'll see, Lyme disease is a very complex disease and it cannot be closed on being on the countryside, or more specifically on being bitten by a tick. Most people with lyme never had one single rash or were significantly to the countryside, and they don't even remember a tick bite. But actually I was on the countryside last year all around Europe. I've been a lot to the woods in Norway, a really lot, and I've been to the countryside in Italy, Spain, England and many other countries. Poor did I know about lyme as to act with caution for it. That's why I can't rule it out.
But you know, actually my doctor believes I need a neuropsychiatrist, so he's referring me to one as soon as the anemia is resolved. The stress I suffered from throughout all this process of finding out the cause for my disease really shattered my mind. It really did.
How did you recover of your illness? Did you get a treatment?
How do you think a low C3 and my symptoms necessarily point to autoimmune? My rheumatologist already ruled out many autoimmune diseases, perhaps I should get a second opinion?
You'll see, Lyme disease is a very complex disease and it cannot be closed on being on the countryside, or more specifically on being bitten by a tick. Most people with lyme never had one single rash or were significantly to the countryside, and they don't even remember a tick bite. But actually I was on the countryside last year all around Europe. I've been a lot to the woods in Norway, a really lot, and I've been to the countryside in Italy, Spain, England and many other countries. Poor did I know about lyme as to act with caution for it. That's why I can't rule it out.
But you know, actually my doctor believes I need a neuropsychiatrist, so he's referring me to one as soon as the anemia is resolved. The stress I suffered from throughout all this process of finding out the cause for my disease really shattered my mind. It really did.
How did you recover of your illness? Did you get a treatment?
How do you think a low C3 and my symptoms necessarily point to autoimmune? My rheumatologist already ruled out many autoimmune diseases, perhaps I should get a second opinion?
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